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Old 05-02-2004, 03:44 PM   #1481
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In other news i read in the paper today (NOTW ) that Pompey want Izzet.Which would be the only club i would actually be happy for him to go to.
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Yeah it was probably a yellow but not a red. By the letter of the law, he had to go though.

Why we keep being linked with Viduka baffles me. The guy is nothing in my opinion. Alan Smith is ten times better but he won't go to us either.

Leeds going down Very good day!
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I'd like to think that if I was in that situation I'd be all like "I've got a pile of money anyway, I'll play for free", but I'm not in that situation, so
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In other news i read in the paper today (NOTW ) that Pompey want Izzet.Which would be the only club i would actually be happy for him to go to.
IZZET....IT IS!!!!!

But never never trust News of The World
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Yeah I read that too.

Did you read that Barry Fry wants Peterborough to strike a deal with Victoria and David Beckham, which would mean Peterborough has 'Posh and Becks' as their sponsor next season. but at the same time.
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Old 05-02-2004, 03:49 PM   #1486
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yeah,lol that would be odd.

I do like Peterborough but within the last few years Victoria has tried to sue them over the posh nickname so i don't think they should be trying that again.
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Why would anyone play for free? It's a business and if the business is making money then you deserve to make money. If bad business decisions take the business into administration then why should the players suffer?

This is coming from a Dundee fan and my team is £15 million in the hole but I don't think the players should play for free either. It's a job and you deserve to be paid for it.
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Yeah i wouldn't play for free cause at the end of the day you have to provide for yourself and most likely a family at some point.

Just maybe a drop to about £8,000 or something,i should think that's affordable. for Leeds and Smith.
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That's why I said "I'd like to think" that's what I'd do.

What that DOESN'T account for is your whole argument, which is what I was trying to say
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Yeah its hard to do things if you ar ein that situation, I'd like to think that if I played for Chelsea I would ask for like £2000 a week. but really if I did get offered a contract, I woud prolly want like £30,000.

Apparently, Leeds might have points docked going into next season, because as of when they are offically relegated (next game) they are then controlled by the football league, and as they are in administration, they get points docked. Stupid rule if you ask me.
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Is that what they call "kicking him when he's down"?
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Old 05-02-2004, 03:57 PM   #1492
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Yeah,all they should do is maybe put a transfer embargo thing over them until they are satisfied.Maybe let them buy a few guys who are free.

I am quite biased though cause of what happened here,but any points docked should be a maximum of 3,imo.
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Can Leeds come straight back up?

Or will they even get relegated again if they lost points (9 I believe)?
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Useless Toon bastards, I hope we fuck up your 4th spot chance real good :foc:

Then again I don't want Liverpool to get it cause I want Houllier to get sacked.

I also don't want Villa to get it cause 99.99999999% of Villa supporters are twats.



On another note, Henri Camara What a fucking goal
Well then support the useless Toon bastards :cry: please??

ps yes it was a great goal
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Bye Leeds I won't cry for you.
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Back to football, Just watching the Leeds game now, Viduka . LOL at Ian Harte scoring an own goal, also, the way he scored the own goal was funny. The little boy with tits and 'Leeds Till I die' written on his body is about the only Leeds fan I even partyl feel sorry for, but I still laughed at him.
lol Harte is so shit its not funny.

Except instead its hilarious.
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Leeds won't be back next season or the next. It's gonna be a long old haul for them now.
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I suppose I'd rather my team be playing in Div 1 and banging 5 goals past sub-standard opponents every week than all this grief just trying to survive
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Thank fuck Leeds are down, they deserved everything they got, hell, even Wolves are ahead of them now.

Also, Liverpool I was looking at the team thinking, with the exception of Kewell, that is the exact same side that won the League Cup Final last season, and we were amazing, stuttered for about 15 minutes in the Second Half, but that is the best I have seen us play this season. Its a shame it took Houllier 34 Games to work out what our best team was.
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Yeah we're still gonna get 4th
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Thank fuck Leeds are down, they deserved everything they got, hell, even Wolves are ahead of them now.

Also, Liverpool I was looking at the team thinking, with the exception of Kewell, that is the exact same side that won the League Cup Final last season, and we were amazing, stuttered for about 15 minutes in the Second Half, but that is the best I have seen us play this season. Its a shame it took Houllier 34 Games to work out what our best team was.
Yeah I rarely see Liverpool games on the T.V, and I couldn't figure out how Liverpool could be underperforming when they play games as good as that. I thought they were pretty good at Stamford Bridge, they were the better team, and deserved to win, and I thought they played well and were unlucky not to draw with Chelsea on the opening game of the season. I guess its just inconsistancy, plus you seem to play better against big clubs, like Chelsea and ManYoo, and for the first half against the Arse the other week. To be honest, I can't see what the fuss is with Houllier, you still have a great chance of being in the Champions League, and you have done no worse in the league then Newcastle, yet people aren't caliing for Robson's head.
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I felt well bad for Alan Smith at the end crying, the Leeds fans were great, respect to them for that.

I don't see Leeds bouncing straight back and I doubt they'll enjoy div 1 at all. If you look at the bottom of div 1 right now, Wimbledon, Bradford, Derby, Watford were all premiership clubs that over stretched and suffered because of it when they got relegated. Ipswich, West Ham and Sunderland are others that suffered the financial impact of relegation and it looks like only 1 or possibly none out of the 3 of them could be going back up this season.

Look at a team like West Brom, they didn't overspend or take a gamble and they went down but they were financially secure and were able to bounce right back. I can see the same thing happening with Wolves. They're fine financially and so wont need to sell players and will be able to retain a decent squad. Leeds wont. The future looks bleak for them
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that's cause newcastle have like no history of glory, and they'd be willing to take the whole uefa cup she-bang thing.
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But they have the players to perform better, they must still be like 'with the players we have we underperfomed'. Newcastle should have done better, so should Liverpool, with the players they had they both underperformed, unlike Villa who made the most of the players they had, and have done well, much credit to David O'Leary.
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Leeds should never have sacked O'Leary.
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it's true, but then look at the leeds side, most of their first team look pretty good on paper.
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True,most of it does.But key areas like central midfield and central defence do not look so great.
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At the time I thought it was the right move, as with the money he spent they underacheived. He thinks they didn't underacheive because they made the semi final of the Champions League once, despite coming like 6th in the league the season he got sacked. I thought that when Venables took over they would be competing for the title, but instead they sold Ferdinand and did rubbish.

Looking back, I agree, they should have kept O'Leary.
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didn't he buy like 8 strikers or some shit though?
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I don't think they ever finished outside the top 5 under O'Leary,so to sack him was very petty.I guess they didn't know how things would turn out though to be fair.

He bought Viduka,Fowler,Bridges.That's all i know right now,so anyone feel free to add.
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Huckerby, wasn't Seth Johnson an attacker, but changed to a midfielder when at Leeds, and I'm sure they finished 6th in his final season.

Also, Ronaldinho is playing amazing, he missed an easy header earlier but other then that he has dominated the game, 1-1 Vs Deportivooooooooooooo, he just headed the equaliser, Sky Sports One, its worth watching. LOL the commentator just said "Manchester United must be kicking themselves, if they had Ronaldinho the title race probably wouldn't be over and they would probably be in the Champions League still".
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Nah Johnson wa always a midfielder.

Damn it,they're only drawing with Espanyol.LETS GO BARCA!!!!!!!11
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that's cause newcastle have like no history of glory, and they'd be willing to take the whole uefa cup she-bang thing.
Exactly, and its not just the history, its the last 5 years as well. We were amazing a few seasons ago, all the cups, the 2nd in the league etc... we should have been looking at winning the title, and thats not just as an optimistic Liverpool fan, thats realistic.

The whole problem with Houllier is simple. When we should have been trying to win the title, he bought some of the worst players the club has ever seen. Diouf, Diao, Cheryou, Traore, Biscan, and Diomede, cost us combined £30 million. Other players we've signed who've not played up to full potential, like Smicer and Heskey, thats another £15 Million. The signings of Diouf, Diao and Cheyrou highlighted how inept Houllier was in the transfer market. Diouf cost us £10 million, we could have bought Anelka for that. Diao for £5 Million??? Cheyrou for £4???? Thats £9 million worth of shite. We failed to get into the Champions League last season, meaning we could only spend £8 million this season. Which was probably a blessing.

Ok, that was a disjointed rant, but my point is, Houllier has made some truly terrible signings, has showed a complete disregard for tactics this season, and it has taken him until the last 7 or 8 games of the season to find his best side, thats 30 games too late. We've lost only 1 more game than United this season, yet we're 15 points behind them. This is disgraceful. Ok, we're finishing the season well, the pressure is off him now, but the season has been shambolic, and for that he should go. Knocked out of the Carling Cup by Bolton, the F.A Cup by Portsmouth, both games we should have won. Going out of Europe after an inept first leg against Marseille, and never looking confident when we played at home. Why the hell should we be settling for 4th place, indeed, struggling to get 4th place, when we have a team like the one that carved apart Middlesbrough today.

I think he should go, but the board wont sack him, so basically, give him another season, if we get to the Champions League, give him £30 million to sign Cisse, Mexes and some decent young talent, preferably British (Michael Dawson, Michael Tonge for example) and go after the top 3 next season, its a sad day for football if the gulf between 3rd and 4th is truly as big as it seems.
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Old 05-02-2004, 06:42 PM   #1516
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Old 05-02-2004, 07:53 PM   #1518
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we've got the 4th best home form in the premiership behind the big 3 and Newcastle, as good as Liverpool.

What could have been if we werent so shitty away from home
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I don't think they ever finished outside the top 5 under O'Leary,so to sack him was very petty.I guess they didn't know how things would turn out though to be fair.

He bought Viduka,Fowler,Bridges.That's all i know right now,so anyone feel free to add.
Robbie Keane??

And I don't think Seth Johnson was ever an attacker Dazz (I only say that cos he's never played there as far as I know and I always remember him as a DM in Champ Man )

Anyway yeah Newcastle have mad underperformed this season. Don't get me wrong I know we aren't anywhere near the top 3 but the fact of the matter is we are 6th, we have way fewer points than we did this time last season and we are like 30 points behind the leaders. We should be fourth (definitely no higher) but the fact of the matter is our team has underperformed and we haven't made enough strides in the transfer market.

Signing Lee Bowyer on a free and Michael Bridges on loan for a team that finished 3rd is criminal. We should have built on the fact that we were really popular and that everyone was appreciating our football and the fact that we were in the Champions League (that feels so wrong saying that now )

This season should be a sign that we need a way deeper squad. The bench this weekend was an absolute joke. Harper fair enough...after that ?!!? Chopra Britain and Taylor are unproven youngsters and Bridges is a Leeds reject.

If we win the WAFER cup then the season will be a moderate success and I'll just be pleased that Shearer has won something with us but I feel like this season should generally be nothing to shout about - and the cup feels a long way off at the moment too.
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