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Old 02-05-2006, 02:10 AM   #1
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220+ innings, 150+ K's every year. Those aren't #5 starter stats.
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I would also throw in that since he left Detroit he has been in major markets with increased pressure to be great. He could still pan out to be a solid pitcher somewhere.
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I would also throw in that since he left Detroit he has been in major markets with increased pressure to be great. He could still pan out to be a solid pitcher somewhere.
So your saying Weaver is only valuable if he's pitching in Kansas City or Pittsburgh? Awesome, I'd love to have him on my team. If he can't produce in a pressure-situation, what playoff-contending team would want him?
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So your saying Weaver is only valuable if he's pitching in Kansas City or Pittsburgh? Awesome, I'd love to have him on my team. If he can't produce in a pressure-situation, what playoff-contending team would want him?
No, I'm saying that when you are rated a top prospect and developing in a Detroit, it's quite a bit different than being a top prospect and developing with the Yankees.

I'm not saying that he can never pitch in a normal market, I'm just saying that his development was hindered or slowed down by the trade to New York. The last couple years are probably not the best way to judge that he will never be more than a fifth starter.
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Weaver is a solid pitcher right now. He just will never be great like people thought he'd be. I'd say he's at least a #3, but doesn't deserve anywhere close to as much money as he was asking for.
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You underrate the rest of the league then. Out of the "class of the AL" (Yanks, Red Sox, White Sox, Twins, Indians, Angels and A's), only the Indians and Angels would have a spot for him in their rotation, acting as the #5 guy in both. Yeah he'd be a #2 or #3 on some other teams, so would Scott Elarton and Brett Tomko. When I say he's a #5, I mean he's at best a #5 on almost any team with any chance of a playoff berth.
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Weaver is also going to get Bronson Arroyo treatment and face lineups stacked with lefties, because Weaver has never gotten a lefty out in his life. His line against lefties last year (yes these are all NL lefties, and none of them are Barry Bonds)

.309/.369/.506/.875

I don't like his chances against the A's and Rangers lefty-stacked lineups. Macha will likely line up Bradley/Kotsay/Chavez/Johnson/Swisher in a row against Weaver and they will feast on him. I don't want to even begin to think about what will happen when the Angels go to Texas' ballpark and Weaver has to face Teixeira, Blalock, Wilkerson, and Dellucci.

While I'm looking at his splits, his career AL ERA is 4.59, WHIP 1.36
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I don't know too many pitchers who were average/below average for the first 7 years of their career and then suddenly became great at age 30. It can happen but the chances are slim
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I never said great, I just said there is still room to improve
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We'll see. You've stated how its possible for guys who weren't developed correctly can bounce back, is it possibly for a guy who has been consistently dominated by LH hitters his whole career suddenly figure out how to get them out? Making 3 or 4 starts each against Texas and Oakland isn't going to help.
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Read that the White Sox are potentially looking to trade for Abreu. They'd trade Dye and Contreas for Abreu. Ouch
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That rumor was shot down by a ton of people (including Kenny Williams) a few days ago. If I were the White Sox I'd pull the trigger on it with no hesitation.
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Agreed. If that trade was offered by the Phillies, I'd not hesitate.
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Blue Jays sign Benjie Molina to a 1 year 4.5 million dollar contract with an option for a second year at 7.5

I'm really happy with what the team looks like this year but I'm really worried that there is too much turnover in players
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Bengie Molina was the most obvious "stay-away" for GM's this year. Look at every season before this year, he is an awful hitter who put together a good year his contract year in a weak free agent class. We'll never know now but I would've bet good money that a Zaun/Quiroz tandem outhits Molina this year.

You can probably say goodbye to Quiroz in Toronto. This is a stupid signing.
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This signing does not fill a need. That's the problem I see with this signing. I hope Molina does well as a Jay, it's just that the outfield was a bigger priority.
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I dunno though, Dye is probably the most underrated White Sock in my opinion. He was huge last year, second to only Konerko. And Contreras was awesome when it mattered.

Abreu is the man, but didn't he slump hardcore after the home run derby last year? Or am I just thinking things again.
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Yup, he went about 3 weeks hitting like .125
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I like Zaun but he had a pretty shitty arm, Molina is going to help the defense more
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Abreu struggled -for the first time- in the second half last year, he's still one of the top 10 players in baseball.

Zaun called a good game last year behind the plate. (I'm repeating myself) so I believe he earned the job for this year, especially since he put up *decent* enough numbers from the catcher position. Now Benji's had more than just one good year offensively in his career, in fact, I'd say 4, 3 for sure were well above average for his position. Plus a gold glover, etc. Hey that's great, but I don't think he was a need. Fill the needs before the wants.

Zaun's #'s don't = that of a DH, He'll be traded at some point before the season starts or during the seaon, I fear.
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...all I know is the Jays need to get Wilson from Pittsburgh. If not, I hope Rios gets his shit together... Fun Fact: Toronto drafted Wilson in 1995.
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this is a great signing, cause i think last year was a flash in the pan year for Zaun, and I haven't seen anything from Quiroz that I've liked
 
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Noone disagrees that it's an improvement at the position. The question is, was it needed over the other team shortcomings.

Overall, I'm pretty pumped as a Jays fan.
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The Red Sox are making a DVD to give Roger Clemens to show him how much fans want him here...

I do want him here, but this is one of the stupidist things I've heard.
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I don't know, it's the same thing as last year with Clemons. I think he is beyond the money now. He went to Houston to play at home, and they got to the World Series last year. He unretired specifically so he could play at home, and he would still be signed on Houston if it was economically possible. When they are allowed to sign him again, I'm sure he will sign for whatever they give him.
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I don't know, it's the same thing as last year with Clemons. I think he is beyond the money now. He went to Houston to play at home, and they got to the World Series last year. He unretired specifically so he could play at home, and he would still be signed on Houston if it was economically possible. When they are allowed to sign him again, I'm sure he will sign for whatever they give him.
It's Clemens, you're not "Sure" of anything.

He's most likely going to have a Red Sox hat in the HOF (since they took the choice away from the players after wore the hat of the "highest bidder" and Boggs wanted to wear a Tampa Bay hat)

Boston wouldn't suprise me, if healthy, Clemens, Schilling, Burkett and you still have some decent hitting/fielding.

Texas is supposed to also be after him.

Houston I would think if his son (his sons a catcher I think) might get called up, I could see him there because he'd be the first father to pitch to his son.

Again, it's Clemens who knows, he probably doesn't right now.
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Well now that the Reds have a GM they can do business. They need a pitcher and they've expressed interest in getting rid of one of their OFers. Griffey's contract is huge and Pena has no value so that means Kearns and Dunn. I think Kearns is more likely to go because it may be too late to get a huge package together that will be needed for Dunn. A bunch of NL teams could find use for Kearns.
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We'd have to let go of one of two starters for Clemens. I want him here just as much as anybody, but like BCWWF said it doesn't make any sense for him to come back here at all.
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We'd have to let go of one of two starters for Clemens
Clement, Arroyo and Wells all suck so why does that matter? Clemens is Clemens.
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Old 02-09-2006, 08:59 PM   #37
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Also, Red Sox note, they changed around the upper seats behined home plate (they were luxury seats behined glass, now they're supposed to be luxury seats w/o the glass.

Anyway, some did a "study" and the wind blows different so they're saying less home runs to CF...

They claimed the same thing when the thing was built..
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Ah OK, I thought there was some history, some story behind either of those two and him.
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Jays re-signed Hillenbrand. Also re-signed Pete Walker to a $600,000 contract. Definite bargin
 
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Washington Times says its doubtful Sosa will accept their minor-league offer. There aren't really any other options. He doesn't seem like a guy who would go play in Japan. I think his career is over.
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