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Old 05-02-2004, 07:45 PM   #1521
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Exactly, and its not just the history, its the last 5 years as well. We were amazing a few seasons ago, all the cups, the 2nd in the league etc... we should have been looking at winning the title, and thats not just as an optimistic Liverpool fan, thats realistic.

The whole problem with Houllier is simple. When we should have been trying to win the title, he bought some of the worst players the club has ever seen. Diouf, Diao, Cheryou, Traore, Biscan, and Diomede, cost us combined £30 million. Other players we've signed who've not played up to full potential, like Smicer and Heskey, thats another £15 Million. The signings of Diouf, Diao and Cheyrou highlighted how inept Houllier was in the transfer market. Diouf cost us £10 million, we could have bought Anelka for that. Diao for £5 Million??? Cheyrou for £4???? Thats £9 million worth of shite. We failed to get into the Champions League last season, meaning we could only spend £8 million this season. Which was probably a blessing.

Ok, that was a disjointed rant, but my point is, Houllier has made some truly terrible signings, has showed a complete disregard for tactics this season, and it has taken him until the last 7 or 8 games of the season to find his best side, thats 30 games too late. We've lost only 1 more game than United this season, yet we're 15 points behind them. This is disgraceful. Ok, we're finishing the season well, the pressure is off him now, but the season has been shambolic, and for that he should go. Knocked out of the Carling Cup by Bolton, the F.A Cup by Portsmouth, both games we should have won. Going out of Europe after an inept first leg against Marseille, and never looking confident when we played at home. Why the hell should we be settling for 4th place, indeed, struggling to get 4th place, when we have a team like the one that carved apart Middlesbrough today.

I think he should go, but the board wont sack him, so basically, give him another season, if we get to the Champions League, give him £30 million to sign Cisse, Mexes and some decent young talent, preferably British (Michael Dawson, Michael Tonge for example) and go after the top 3 next season, its a sad day for football if the gulf between 3rd and 4th is truly as big as it seems.
I was quite impressed with that little rant though.

Who do you want as manager next season then (because surely the Frog is gone)?
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Don't you find it funny that Stephen Caldwell tried probably harder than anyone aside from Alan Smith in the Leeds team and he is actually contracted to Newcastle and knows he'll be going back there next season?
I didn't see the game to be honest Steve Caldwell is an alright player I would hope he wouldn't be our first choice centre back anytime soon but he's an ok squad player. I think he'l most likely be leaving soon though I think his contract is up at the end of this season.
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Yeah,all they should do is maybe put a transfer embargo thing over them until they are satisfied.Maybe let them buy a few guys who are free.

I am quite biased though cause of what happened here,but any points docked should be a maximum of 3,imo.
The reason for the penalty is so that clubs cant benefit from having wreckless boards.

Every team could take a loan from a bank and buy great players and then go bankrupt cancel their debts and tehn take a great squad to promotion or Europe. But then thats just punishing clubs who manage their club properly and dont do what Leeds do and spend way beyond their means.

Why would clubs manage themselves properly if the easiest way to get ahead is to spend like crazy?

the reason for the penalty is to avoid what happened at Leicster. The board didnt run things properly and they nearly went out of business. But they cleared their debts and went straight up because they had a team they shouldnt have been able to afford.

Now if clubs are mismanaged they arent going to benefit from it and they have an incentive not to mess up.

Though I hate leeds and hope they go bankrupt in the summer because it would be hilarious to see them go straight down to division 2
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Old 05-02-2004, 08:16 PM   #1525
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I was quite impressed with that little rant though.

Who do you want as manager next season then (because surely the Frog is gone)?
Its hard to say, obviously everyone is going to say Martin O'Neill, and he would definetly be top of the list, but aside from him, maybe Hitzfeld from Bayern seeing as he's stepping down, Ranieri would also be up the top of the list, if he is leaving, what better than a thick-skinned manager, who doesn't make excuses constantly and is tactically sound.

For an outsider, might be a shock, but Kevin Keegan, he's Liverpool through and through, why not give him some money and a chance.
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Old 05-02-2004, 08:17 PM   #1526
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i wish our board would be a bit more reckless in signing players like ronaldinho, rather than wasting millions on shite like djemba
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Ronaldinho preferred Barcelona, United matched the bid.

Djemba-Djemba is 22, for ****s sake, give the fellow a chance. He got 22 yellow cards in France last season, you have to respect that.
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Old 05-02-2004, 09:31 PM   #1528
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i'm pretty sure we didn't match the bid. he seemed pretty set on united, he even said he wanted to be the first brazilian in a red shirt after he joined barca.

djemba is... meh, i think we have better ways to spend our money really, than going for potential all the time, cause it rarely ever works out for us.
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Ronaldinho also said he was "dreaming of white" when asked if Real Madrid wanted him. He's a bit of a tart, really. If he was that desperate to go to United, he'd have rejected Barcelona and told PSG he wanted to go to Manchester, thus making any auction pointless.

Djemba-Djemba looks a good player. He is an excellent passer, he just needs a run in the side like anyone else.
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Old 05-02-2004, 09:46 PM   #1530
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what i've seen of him, he looks pretty shaky at the moment. at 22, he has time on his side i guess. i think kleberson has got a worse rep though, i've been impressed with what i've seen of him so far.
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The reason for the penalty is so that clubs cant benefit from having wreckless boards.

Every team could take a loan from a bank and buy great players and then go bankrupt cancel their debts and tehn take a great squad to promotion or Europe. But then thats just punishing clubs who manage their club properly and dont do what Leeds do and spend way beyond their means.

Why would clubs manage themselves properly if the easiest way to get ahead is to spend like crazy?

the reason for the penalty is to avoid what happened at Leicster. The board didnt run things properly and they nearly went out of business. But they cleared their debts and went straight up because they had a team they shouldnt have been able to afford.

Now if clubs are mismanaged they arent going to benefit from it and they have an incentive not to mess up.

Though I hate leeds and hope they go bankrupt in the summer because it would be hilarious to see them go straight down to division 2
Its not as if we didn't try to sell players though,hell even the fans favourite wa sold against everyones wishes(Matt Piper). Fact was that no-one else wanted anyone other than Izzet i guess but no bid was spoken of.
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Ronaldinho preferred Barcelona, United matched the bid.
Finally, someone else that knows what happened, I said this in the post you made in the Casual Forum Mask, but you ignored it .

The only time Ronaldinho expressed interest in Manchester United was AFTER the Madrid transfer collapsed and BEFORE Barcelona made a bid, I.E when he had no other options.
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Premiership is gay.
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Old 05-02-2004, 10:51 PM   #1534
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Premiership is gay.
Not as gay as your Mark Henry and Prince Albert fantasies.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/3057925.stm

Man Utd looked to be in pole position to sign the PSG forward, but Graille says the Spanish giants' offer is the superior one.

Asked whether the offer from Old Trafford was insufficient compared to the sum which Barca are prepared to pay, Graille said: "Yes, completely. However nothing has been done yet."
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His brief statement of "tengo la mente en blanco," can be translated either as "I have an open mind" or also "I am thinking about white".
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None of these links are convincing, as you see in the first two, there are no other clubs linked to Ronaldinho at the time, hence why he was keen on Manchester United.

In the last link, it says it was AFTER Real Madrid had withdrawn their bid, and Barca and Chelsea had no confirmed interest in him.

The link in your other post doesn't quote Ronaldinho saying that he would prefer to go to United when Barca were also bidding, it just says you wouldn't cough up the goolash. NEVER in it does it claim Ronaldinho would have preffered to go to you.
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Real Madrid were linked with the player but have decided not to make a bid, while Barcelona and Chelsea are the other clubs believed to be chasing him.
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Bottom line is, Ronaldinho is a tart, and he touted himself about to alot of clubs. If he really wanted to go to United, he would have. Players have the upper hand. Look at Beckham: he turned down the Barca offer, so United had no option but to take Real Madrid's, the club he actually wanted to go to.

Kleberson has always been pretty highly rated. He played in the World Cup winning squad, so he's got a bigger rep than Djemba-Djemba. I think he is an excellent player, but his form has been poor for club and country, so he needs to sort himself out overall.

Djemba-Djemba has impressed, though. The thing is, he only ever starts when Fergie is putting out a terrible side, so he ends up playing alongside Forlan, Bellion and Phil Neville, and the like, then they lose and he looks stupid.
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Old 05-03-2004, 12:22 AM   #1541
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I have to say, this season has somewhat tapered off towards the end.

- Arsenal won the title in April
- With 2 weeks to go, Leeds, Wolves and Leicester
- Chelsea are going to take second

The only thing that's still alive really is the battle for 4th place.

For example, just watching Boro yesterday, you could tell they really didn't have anything to play for against Liverpool. Full credit to Pool tho
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YES,Les Ferdinand could stay at Leicester.

I knew he might delay retiring but i thought he'd go back to the premiership or something.
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You know, its kind of sad how the United fans are STILL harping on about Ronaldinho
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Personally i think they have every right too,considering how well he's done at Barcelona and how poor United have been this season(compared to others).

I'm sure they wouldn't go on about him should their season been better,at least in the league and Europe.
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why? he's a world class player and any team that close to getting him would be gutted.
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Ronaldinho on his own wouldn't have stopped Arsenal being unbeaten in 35
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i know, but the run in would've been far more interesting.

Besides, who would you rather watch playing for you, ronaldinho or darren fletcher?
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Nah, seriously, Ronaldinho or no, United's season fell apart pretty much right when Ferdinand got suspended.

Fletcher wouldn't have had more than 10 games this season if Solskjaer hadn't been crocked...I dunno, you could argue they'd have been just as effective if Solskjaer had stayed fit, since he was really fitting into the wide right role.

Anyway, cry about it
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solskjaer hasn't been that great on the right. He has no real qualities that make him stick out as a winger.

I don't think we'd have won this season, ronaldinho or not, but we'd have had a lot less 1-0 defeats.
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I think Ronaldinho is better as a support striker anyway,so even they got him they should have still been playing Fletcher or signing Cristiano Ronaldo,or at least they should imo.
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imagine what our midfield could've been though if we sold giggs instead of beckham

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solskjaer hasn't been that great on the right. He has no real qualities that make him stick out as a winger.

I don't think we'd have won this season, ronaldinho or not, but we'd have had a lot less 1-0 defeats.
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LOL and you lost to us both
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Old 05-03-2004, 11:13 AM   #1555
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yeah but i pissed all over some city posters in revenge, so i'm going to have to like turd on your pillow now or something
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hug him slightly too tight.
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I find this to be disproportionately revengeful
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LOL and you lost to us both
Absoloutly off subject here but I only live like a 10 minute walk from the Molineux

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Well no, obviously

But he did
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