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Old 07-02-2007, 12:17 AM   #1521
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Where's Jeremy Guthrie on the All Star team? 2nd lowest ERA in baseball couldn't beat out Gil Meche?
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Old 07-02-2007, 12:17 AM   #1522
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for some reason Epstein had a woody for Lugo and JD Drew and just HAD to have them this season, they are both overpaid pieces of garbage (well Drew is alright but still)
Yeah no kidding. I can tolerate Drew though cause he has started hitting well and his fielding is solid (no one can reach home from third on his throws), but Lugo is just a complete waste of money since he can't do anything right. He can't hit, can't field, and we learned yesterday that he has little common sense running bases.

Cora started at SS the last 2 games and hit safely in both those games while playing really well defensively, and he makes a fraction of Lugo's salary.
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Old 07-02-2007, 12:21 AM   #1523
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It is awesome that Mike Hargrove retired after today's game
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Old 07-02-2007, 01:11 AM   #1524
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Old 07-02-2007, 01:36 AM   #1525
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Old 07-02-2007, 01:51 AM   #1526
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You think I or any Mariner fan gives a shit about Mike Hargrove quitting
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Old 07-02-2007, 01:53 AM   #1527
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NO YOUKILIS ON THE ALL STAR TEAM????????????????????????????????
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:03 AM   #1528
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:04 AM   #1529
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:14 AM   #1530
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lol just saw a poll for "biggest all star snub" and Youk wasn't even on it

I cant wait for Youk to hit an inside the park home run off your favorite pitcher even though he is a fat first basemen faggots

YOUK FOR MAYOR
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:21 AM   #1531
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Well, isn't Meche the gimme player for KC? I hate that rule that all teams must have a rep, because alot of guys make it that shouldn't on that clause, and guys like Guthrie get left out.

KC needed a guy in, their best player is Meche, so a pitcher had to get bumped, and Guthrie plays for a shit team and lacks the name of other guyswho stay on.
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:23 AM   #1532
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You know who shoulda made it instead of Miche? Kevin Youkilis that's who
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:38 AM   #1533
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Meche = Pitcher
The Greek God of Walks is a position player. Doesn't count. They have to have X amount of pitchers. Youk is having a great year, he should be in but im going to assume the other players that made it over are having better years. Let me check the rosters.
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:40 AM   #1534
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I definitely thought Youk would make the team.
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:44 AM   #1535
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Honestly, I dont see any position players that should be bumped for Youk. His biggest problem is his own teammate, Big Papi, sucking up a 1st baseman position. No Big Papi might have lead to a Youk All Star appearance.
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:46 AM   #1536
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How is Freddy Sanchez the Pirates all star over Snell and Gorzelanny? I realize most people can't name 5 players on the Pirates roster but honestly it's not that hard to look at a stat sheet.
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:48 AM   #1537
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Yeah, Gorzelanny is amazing, definitely should be on the team.
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:50 AM   #1538
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Youkilis deserves a spot more than ManRam does.
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:51 AM   #1539
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also Adam Dunn will never ever ever get to be in the home run derby which is really all his career has ever led up to
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Old 07-02-2007, 03:08 AM   #1540
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They need to open the Home Run derby to all hands. The Dunk Contest is a place for young guys to make a name. i say get Bonds out of the Derby, Slide in Dunn. They should have a rookie game too. MLB All Star games are about Names over Skills. They need to start opening it up to the new generation to help distance themselves from the steroid era.

I would rather see Dunn, Alex Rios and Jack Cust in a home run derby than Bonds and Girffey these days.
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Old 07-02-2007, 01:08 PM   #1541
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I loves me Martin, being that he's a Canuck and all, but pinning the future of baseball on a catcher is a bit much.

Ian Snell for Pirates shoulda made the team. I guess he's not getting enougn of those adored 'wins' that would make everyone sit up and notice.
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I read an interesting little story. It has to do with A-Rod optiong out of his contract next year and landing in San Fran. Something about how next year the Giants will be shedding something like 37 million dollars in payroll off their books. I missed what was said, but A-Rod had said something about San Fran that got a few people speculating.

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Oh. A-Rod's wife wore a tank top to the game last night that said "fuck you" on it
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I read an interesting little story. It has to do with A-Rod optiong out of his contract next year and landing in San Fran. Something about how next year the Giants will be shedding something like 37 million dollars in payroll off their books. I missed what was said, but A-Rod had said something about San Fran that got a few people speculating.

Good 'ol rumours.

Oh. A-Rod's wife wore a tank top to the game last night that said "fuck you" on it
When the Yankees were in SF a couple series back he talked about how he liked the stadium and the city. Thats pretty much all.

And lol yeah. The media seems to be making a huge deal out of A-Rod's wife wearing that shirt but what else is new. The shirt had little lettering near the top that said fuck you.
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Old 07-02-2007, 05:33 PM   #1546
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The winds of change seem to be blowing for MLB managers. First Sam Perlozzo was sent packin' out of Baltimore. Then Mike Hargrove calling it a career. And now.....

The Cincinnati Reds fire Jerry Narron.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2922877
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Old 07-02-2007, 05:46 PM   #1547
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The Greek God of Walks is a position player. Doesn't count. They have to have X amount of pitchers. Youk is having a great year, he should be in but im going to assume the other players that made it over are having better years. Let me check the rosters.
haha yeah I know, I was fucking tanked when I posted that last night

Red Sox have been on a terrible stretch for like the last 5 weeks, luckily the rest of the AL East has sucked too
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Red Sox have been on a terrible stretch for like the last 5 weeks, luckily the rest of the AL East has sucked too

As a Die hard Yankees Fan I am glad that they are at least keeping pace. But I am also realistic, and I dont see them making the playoffs. I think it is time to do the opposite ofwhat they usually do....trade names to contenders.

Send Abreu to a contender (LA?) looking for a bat for some pitchign prospects (Never can have too many)

Slide Damon to Right, Insert Melky for the next 10 years. Giambi is good for a DH until his contract is up, I doubt anyone will take it. Until he gets back from Injury just plug anyone in there.

This upcoming offseason Dont resign Clemens, Drop Pettite, Sign a 3B man (Cabrera is a Free Agent this year, right?) when AROD Walks, and Build around the Cabreras and their young pitching staff. jeter will assume the role of Player Coach
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Damon would be awful in right. People would be scoring from second on routine flys with his ridiculously awful arm.

Clemens won't be back for another year (at least not here).

Pettitte you definitely have to bring back next year. He's been our best pitcher this year and is getting screwed out of wins because of the offense. He got bombed his last outing but he has given us tons of chances to win.

Bringing back Pettitte also makes sense when you think of our rotation for next year...Wang, Moose (and his 87 MPH fastball), Hughes...from there it drops to a bunch of scrub pitchers because I don't think any of the top pitching prospects will be ready next year besides Hughes. Bring back Pettitte and hope at least one guy steps up for the #5 spot. If not, Karstens or Rasner could be decent #5 starters.

As for A-Rod. Cashman needs to get him back next year. Our only power bat pretty much and theres no way to replace his production. I think he'll go to whoever offers the most money; so even with all the media crap with NY I think he'd come back if the money is right.
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I think A-Rod is staying. Who else is gonna give him the money he wants? Cashman would be out of his mind to let him walk. Then again...

I wish we could just get rid of Giambi. Then Damon could DH full time and essentially be what Bernie Williams was. Melky would take over at CF, where he should be starting for a while. He should be the next Yankee lifer (along with Cano and Wang). Posada will re-sign.

What's the deal with Abreu? Do we have an option with him next year or is he signed? If he doesn't turn it around he's gone, I'd say. Torrii Hunter wouldn't be a bad signing for next season if Abreu can be gotten rid of. Shift Cabrera to right. I don't think the Twins are re-signing him.

There's some attractive free agent pitchers out there, unlike these past few years where we've signed pretty mediocre arms. Carlos Zambrano comes to mind. Free agents haven't done shit for our pitching staff since Mike Mussina though. Oh, and Pettitte, but he's not your typical Yankee free agent.

Still, IMAGINE:
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Hughes

I don't think it's unreasonable to think that after a disapointing season like this, Steinbrenner will axe Cashman and go after whatever free agents he likes (Ichiro?)
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I think A-Rod is staying. Who else is gonna give him the money he wants? Cashman would be out of his mind to let him walk. Then again...

I wish we could just get rid of Giambi. Then Damon could DH full time and essentially be what Bernie Williams was. Melky would take over at CF, where he should be starting for a while. He should be the next Yankee lifer (along with Cano and Wang). Posada will re-sign.

What's the deal with Abreu? Do we have an option with him next year or is he signed? If he doesn't turn it around he's gone, I'd say. Torrii Hunter wouldn't be a bad signing for next season if Abreu can be gotten rid of. Shift Cabrera to right. I don't think the Twins are re-signing him.

There's some attractive free agent pitchers out there, unlike these past few years where we've signed pretty mediocre arms. Carlos Zambrano comes to mind. Free agents haven't done shit for our pitching staff since Mike Mussina though. Oh, and Pettitte, but he's not your typical Yankee free agent.

Still, IMAGINE:
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Pettitte
Mussina
Hughes

I don't think it's unreasonable to think that after a disapointing season like this, Steinbrenner will axe Cashman and go after whatever free agents he likes (Ichiro?)

The hardest part will be what to do with Damon and Giambi next year. Both really are just DH's at this point.

I think we have a $16 M option or something like that we could pick up on Abreu for next year.

Not really sure about Zambrano here, for some reason I think he'd be awful. Thats probably just a feeling I get after no starter we've picked up via free agency the past 4 years or so has seemed to work out.

Some of the free agent pitchers after the 08 season are crazy though - Peavy, Santana, Penny, Sheets, Sabathia, Lackey. Some will most likely re-up with their current teams but I'd assume a few might hit free agency. Should be really interesting when some of those guys go on the market.

And hopefully Steinbrenner doesn't go crazy this offseason on huge free agent contracts. Its what got us stuck with some of the players we have now.
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I'm REALLY hoping the Mets make a strong push for Zambrano this off-season. They'll almost certainly save at least $20.5 million just by not executing the options on Glavine, Green, and Alou...that is, at least, assuming Glavine gets his 300 wins and decides to not return to the Mets, since his is a player option. They can also save another $4.6 mil if Jose Valentin doesn't reach 400 PAs this year.

I'd love to get Zambrano...because he's young and he'll be the ace we sorely need. Thing is, he'll probably want 6 years or something and the Mets wouldn't offer Zito more than 5. Hope that won't be an issue. Plus if you get him, then one of those stud pitchers after the '08 season would probably follow suit, and they'd have the money with Pedro, Delgado, El Duque, and others coming off the books after that year.
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The Rocket brought his A game today. Awesome to watch. Nice fill-in work by Cairo at 3rd today. Completely misjudged him.

Yeah, Abreu sent that ball flying. But I'm still hating him.
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Old 07-03-2007, 12:55 AM   #1557
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I have always and will always hate the Abreu Trade. Worthless.

I dont like Zambrano. I see him folding hard on either NY team. A guy who fights his catcher in Chicago is going to kill his coach in NY. Some guys arent built for the NY teams. Half of Playing for the Mets/Yankees/Knicks/Giants/Jets/Isles/Rangers is mental. How many Careers have gone to NY to die?

Zambrano needs to stay in Chi Town.

I think that trading Abreu is a must. Someone will take his salary for the year. Get something back and cut the losses.

I do agree that Steinbrenner will be forcing a run for Ichiro to play in right.
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Dont even get me started on Pavano and Igawa. Any chance the O's will take them a la Wright?

The yankees have not made one good signing or trade since A Rod. And before that.....Clemens the first time.
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