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Old 03-17-2010, 02:18 PM   #121
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Apparently so. Well, blows to the head anyway.
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Old 03-17-2010, 02:22 PM   #122
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Old 03-17-2010, 02:23 PM   #123
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Old 03-17-2010, 02:28 PM   #124
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I actually don't have a problem with banning straight chairshots to the head as it CAN be dangerous. However, protected shots should be allowed.
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Old 03-17-2010, 02:40 PM   #125
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it makes sense now when a couple of weeks ago on RAW when Batista was blasting Cena with that chair he never hit him in the head with it
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Old 03-17-2010, 03:06 PM   #126
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so the MITB ladder or any ladder match will next be a match where there will be no ladders just guys scrambling for the briefcase/belt at eye level and the match will last about 30 seconds?
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Old 03-17-2010, 03:13 PM   #127
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it makes sense now when a couple of weeks ago on RAW when Batista was blasting Cena with that chair he never hit him in the head with it
I was just thinking about that. I'm cool with these fines personally chair shots are awesome yes but my thinking has always been "you're supposed to put your hands up" and as a kid I when that didn't happen I thought it was dumb, sure it increases the realism but the payoff at the expense of a performers health is too steep a price. As far as Beniot goes he was by and large one of my favorites still is actually the circumstances of his death and reading about the research done after had me hoping the WWE would start taking the safety of its performers a lot more seriously. I don't care if it was Lindas political ambitions or the fact that the media was breathing down the WWE's throat after so many wrestlers deaths I'm glad the company is being responsible for its workers.
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Old 03-17-2010, 03:33 PM   #128
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Banning the chairshot to the head outright and issuing fines anyone foul of the rule is a step too far. The fine is unnecessary - the wrestlers should be reminded simply not to use them. A more friendly approach would simply be to restrict their use, but allow them for major spots or storyline developments just as the piledriver/tombstone is now.

Take the example of the Undertaker, who until around 1999 used his tombstone every other week. Now that it has been restricted, whenever it is brought out, it's a key moment - such as during last week's Smackdown when it was used along with the chokeslam and the (even rarer) Last-Ride to send a message to HBK.
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Old 03-17-2010, 03:35 PM   #129
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Banning the chairshot to the head outright and issuing fines anyone foul of the rule is a step too far. The fine is unnecessary - the wrestlers should be reminded simply not to use them. A more friendly approach would simply be to restrict their use, but allow them for major spots or storyline developments just as the piledriver/tombstone is now.

Take the example of the Undertaker, who until around 1999 used his tombstone every other week. Now that it has been restricted, whenever it is brought out, it's a key moment - such as during last week's Smackdown when it was used along with the chokeslam and the (even rarer) Last-Ride to send a message to HBK.
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Old 03-17-2010, 03:40 PM   #130
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There is no point to unprotected chairshots to the head:

1. You can hit a guy in the back of the shoulder and with a good sell, it looks like it's to the head.
2. You can hit the ground next to their head at the right angle, it looks like it's to the head.
3. You can hit the guy who brought his arm up to protect his head, it looks like it's to the head.

You can make it look like your caving his head in with a chair without, you know, ACTUALLY CAVING their head in with a chair.
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Old 03-17-2010, 03:43 PM   #131
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This is fucking lame. A chair shot to the back just doesn't seem as devastating. They shouldn't out right ban it, it should be allowed during a special occasion or so.
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Old 03-17-2010, 03:52 PM   #132
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Banning the chairshot to the head outright and issuing fines anyone foul of the rule is a step too far. The fine is unnecessary - the wrestlers should be reminded simply not to use them.
And before anyone picks apart my point, I understand that this move is for appearances only in order for Linda to appear more credible in politics. However, the public will always have preconceptions of wrestling being trashy and violent. No matter how much Linda tweeks the WWE's product, that stigma will remain.

The only hope she has is to challenge and convince the whole industry to change, and that's just not going to happen.
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Old 03-17-2010, 03:57 PM   #133
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There is no point to unprotected chairshots to the head:

1. You can hit a guy in the back of the shoulder and with a good sell, it looks like it's to the head.
2. You can hit the ground next to their head at the right angle, it looks like it's to the head.
3. You can hit the guy who brought his arm up to protect his head, it looks like it's to the head.

You can make it look like your caving his head in with a chair without, you know, ACTUALLY CAVING their head in with a chair.

EXACTLY
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Old 03-17-2010, 04:01 PM   #134
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This is fucking lame. A chair shot to the back just doesn't seem as devastating. They shouldn't out right ban it, it should be allowed during a special occasion or so.
I don't think that matters. All Linda really wants to do is say, when questionned about her background in "Sports Entertainment", is "the WWE hasn't allowed our entertainers to smash steel folding chairs over another's head for 16 months now", but the truth is that it still won't matter because wrestling will always be looked-down upon as a hick past-time.

The only people who will notice will be the fans and those involved in the industry, and generally the ven-diagram that is life rarely has 'wrestling fan' and 'potential voter' overlapping (and even if it did, she might have lost herself a few votes with this move anyhow)
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Old 03-17-2010, 04:21 PM   #135
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well if it's been banned for 16 months and no one noticed until she came out and said it, what does that say about it?

it says that they weren't necessary to begin with, and an unnecessary health hazard to wrestlers.
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Old 03-17-2010, 04:23 PM   #136
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Old 03-17-2010, 05:30 PM   #137
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I never realised that chair shots meant so much to people.

Things like the conchairto look great without the need to take a heavy shot. A sustained chair attack to the body seems more debilitating than one to the head anyway. I haven't even noticed them not being used.

As for Benoit, it's too easy to describe him as evil rather than the possibility of having brain damage due to repeated untreated concussions for years and years even being considered.
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Old 03-17-2010, 05:38 PM   #138
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I love how most people on this board are pro-shortening careers and want the wrestlers to take unnecessary injuries from chair shots and so forth.
Ya know.... I'm gonna take BDC's side with this, and I'll do it in a way we haven't seen before.

Maybe, not just maybe.... the lack of chair shots to the skull MIGHT increase the longevity... And with less "hardcore" action, we MIGHT see more WRESTLING ON A FUCKING WRESTLING PROGRAM!!!!!

Wrestling fans watch wrestling shows to watch wrestlers wrestle. It's quite simple.
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Old 03-17-2010, 08:12 PM   #143
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What is it with people thinking chair shots = wrestling?
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Old 03-17-2010, 08:22 PM   #144
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So how long will it take for a match be just 2 guys enter the ring and stand there
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or put up a safety net
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or put up a safety net
I got it.

New WWE, super safe style.

Two guys enter, lets say Cena and Batista. Both with microphones.

Cena : John Cena enters the ring, staring down Batista. John Cena grabs Batista and puts him in a headlock. Batista screams in pain! To be continued..

Batista : Dave Batista uses his strength to get out of the headlock. He throws Cena outside the ring and taunts the fans! To be continued...

WWE Safe Style : All the action, none of the violence.
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What is it with people thinking chair shots = wrestling?
I think it has to do with the generation of kids who were introduced to wrestling during the Attitude era. Chairshots were as common as an arm drag back then. It seemed somebody was always getting walloped with a chair every other week. Hell, Mankind v Rock I Quit Match may have set a record for most shots on one match during that era.

But I agree, and FourFifty touched on it as well. Wrestling shows are for fans who want to see wrestlers wrestle. I could give a shit about a head shot with a chair being banned. i watch for the actual atheltic performance and storytelling. While a chair has its special place, it's not essential to a great match.
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That isn't the only reason i hate politics, but seeing it mentioned when invovled with wrestling gets to me.
This likely would have happened eventually even without Linda's political aspirations. They've been progressively stripping the "danger" out of wrestling for quite some time now.
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:16 PM   #150
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:13 PM   #151
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This doesn't bother me at all. I can never remember seeing a match or event and being disappointed there weren't chairshots.

All that matters are great matches, and great storytelling. This doesn't effect either. It's just not needed. They've pretty much been out of wrestling for years now, and I haven't missed it at all.
It's a prop to attack an opponent with. There are other things that can be done.
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Surprised we're having a discussion about unprotected chair shots to the head and this hasn't been posted yet.
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Old 03-18-2010, 12:43 AM   #153
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wait so are protected headshots (when the put thier arms up) banned as well?
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Old 03-18-2010, 12:44 AM   #154
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I guess Mark Henry had a really good reason why he didn't whack Cena with the Bell the other night on RAW.

Also wondering if this applies to sledgehammer shots...?
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Doubt it. Admittedly, I don't watch much wrestling nowadays, but doesn't Trips go for abdomen shots with Sledgie?

The other two things that make me think 'it'll be okay' is that Trips usually places his hand over the hammer and if he aims for the head, he'll try to hit them with the handle rather than the hammer.

Trips has a pretty good track record with not injuring anyone with it anyway, the only time being with a foam hammer that busted Taker open at 'Mania.
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Old 03-18-2010, 01:20 AM   #156
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Maybe, not just maybe.... the lack of chair shots to the skull MIGHT increase the longevity... And with less "hardcore" action, we MIGHT see more WRESTLING ON A FUCKING WRESTLING PROGRAM!!!!!
Maybe you'll get a tattoo that represents something other than popcorn philosophy.

Nah, the wrestling's more likely.

I mean, really. Maybe we'll see more wrestling? No. We'll just see more "sports entertainment," while the wrestling moves are further stripped to be safer for their "superstars."

Chair shots are almost completely unrelated to the amount of wrestling in WWE. It not an either/or deal, and hasn't been for ages. We'll see more wrestling only if WWE decides that technical wrestling is somehow a marketable art--Which will happen just after I stop being a snarky misanthrope.

On the other hand, I don't really miss "hardcore" wrestling. I don't really miss blood, either. If there was solid storytelling, compelling characters and good ring work, they could ban all foreign objects and I wouldn't bat an eyelash. what's missing now is the same thing that's been missing for years. banning chair shots won't bring wrestling back to WWE, though.
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Old 03-18-2010, 12:50 PM   #157
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lol, so its wrong now to enjoy someone being hit with something in wrestling? So in the MITB match, is everyone meant to not enjoy any 'risky' moves because that would mean they're a 'rude asshole'?
Come on man. You're not being reasonable. The motives of the WWE might not be in the right place, banning the chair shot, but it's protecting their wrestlers regardless, and if you are in the slightest humane the fact, you would enjoy the fact that your favourite wrestler isn't getting fucking blasted in the skull by a steel chair. These guys are people too, they aren't JUST tools of your amusement. The fact that you would complain about them banning chairshots shows how selfish you are.
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Old 03-18-2010, 12:52 PM   #158
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And no, banning chairshots will neither make the product better, or worse... it's just going to lessen the amount of untreated concussions these guys get.
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Surprised we're having a discussion about unprotected chair shots to the head and this hasn't been posted yet.
You guys are acting like we've been getting shots like this. They've already been pretty damn safe with chairshots for probably the last 6 years. This just sets the rule in stone.
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Seriously, when was the last unprotected headshot? Gonna guess One Night Stand 1.
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