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Old 05-12-2011, 01:09 PM   #121
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Old 05-12-2011, 01:10 PM   #122
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I don't like how his left hand is holding the title. Makes him look like an action figure.
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Old 05-12-2011, 01:26 PM   #123
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Actually I'll give you that. Even though I hate Alex Riley and find nothing to cheer for about him, Murphy is 1000 times worse which is why he is listed as 1 haha. In terms of Khali yes he isn't a great wrestler, but you guys all have a guilty pleasure wrestler that you cheer even if he can't. Alot of it has to do with his size anyway. Khali has had at least three good matches. They were all triple threats yes, but they still count as good matches. In case you're wondering which ones the GAB 2007 one with Batista and Kane was entertaining at least and not as bad as people say, the one on RAW with Cena and Umaga in 2007, and the one with Batista and Mysterio at Unforgiven 2007. I can't believe this topic went three pages already. Do people really like Riley that much? I apologize for spoiling Impact for people, but I was sure people knew about results anyway on this site, especially the results of this week's show.
You sure do make a lot of assumptions.
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Old 05-12-2011, 02:05 PM   #124
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Riley & Swagger teaming w/ Cole as their manager needs to happen.
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So... him "surviviing" being "drafted" from Raw to Smackdown to remain on Raw aligned with The Miz means something to you.

You realize the draft isn't real, right? lol. He was written to be drafted over to Smackdown. It wasn't like there was some crazy draft that messed up WWE's plans and they were like "Fuck it! This man's a star! We're gonna keep him on Raw aligned with The Miz dammit!!!"

Just the fact that you alluded to him "surviving a draft to remain on Raw aligned with The Miz" just... I don't even know what to say about that. Jesus Christ. lol
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Also, I could say the same about him being "technically fired" from his position. Again... you realize it was a storyline. He wasn't ever actually fired. WWE didn't have to work around it to "keep him employed as Miz' apprentice". He didn't "survive" anything. Seriously. This is all proving my point of people wanting to add significance to someone and make a new "obvious future star."
lol my god, your condescending tone is ridiculous and so misplaced. He did 'survive' a draft, he was switched but they clearly felt some kind of need to keep him aligned with Miz, be it protecting Miz, feeling Riley adds something, wanting him to stick on RAW etc. You aren't proving anything, merely showing a glaring misunderstanding of how wrestling works. Yes, he's the lackey but you're making sweeping generalizations about everybody in that kind of spot and you're off the mark. If you really can't tell the difference between Riley and what he's allowed to do, his longevity in the role, the fact they clearly value him in the spot etc compared to a Jackson Andrews, a David Otunga or any of the Nexus lackeys most of the new guys period (which it appears you clearly can't given your repeating of the same redundant 'he's a lackey! means nothing!' point over and over topped off with a few smug 'lol's) then as I said, this is pointless. Nobody is 'adding any significance', nobody is claiming he is the next Hulk Hogan, nobody is claiming he is a star now. You are just completely and utterly missing the point.
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Riley & Swagger teaming w/ Cole as their manager needs to happen.
I do like Swagger. I think hes one of the most talented guys on the roster. I wish they would have another series between him and Kofi. I also wish Dibiase and Rhodes get used better now. Drew hopefully will get a decent push now on RAW as well. Those are the young talent that I think should get a push based on how they are pretty good in the ring. Dibiase may be lacking in the mic skills/charisma but theres no denying he can go in the ring. You guys have to at least agree that Riley is nowhere near as good as these guys. Sheamus has become one of the most talented guys on the roster in a year thanks to his series with Morrison who I feel should get a title shot/run when he gets back from his neck surgery. He could be the RAW MITB winner.
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Old 05-12-2011, 03:46 PM   #129
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lol my god, your condescending tone is ridiculous and so misplaced. He did 'survive' a draft, he was switched but they clearly felt some kind of need to keep him aligned with Miz, be it protecting Miz, feeling Riley adds something, wanting him to stick on RAW etc. You aren't proving anything, merely showing a glaring misunderstanding of how wrestling works. Yes, he's the lackey but you're making sweeping generalizations about everybody in that kind of spot and you're off the mark. If you really can't tell the difference between Riley and what he's allowed to do, his longevity in the role, the fact they clearly value him in the spot etc compared to a Jackson Andrews, a David Otunga or any of the Nexus lackeys most of the new guys period (which it appears you clearly can't given your repeating of the same redundant 'he's a lackey! means nothing!' point over and over topped off with a few smug 'lol's) then as I said, this is pointless. Nobody is 'adding any significance', nobody is claiming he is the next Hulk Hogan, nobody is claiming he is a star now. You are just completely and utterly missing the point.
Fucking hell, I'm begging someone to actually read the rest of shit I've said in the thread.

My point: I haven't seen anything from Alex Riley. No awesome promos, nothing more than a few short WWE TV style matches on NXT and a squash here and there. Neither of these showcased ANYTHING. Good or bad. Yet people still praise him for these things as if he's been tearing the house down and he's on his way to being something.

I AM NOT ASSERTING ANYTHING one way or another about his future. I'm simply saying to put label him as the next big thing based on him standing next to The Miz while Miz participates in main event storylines is insane.

My other point: The fact that so many people do see such a bright future despite these things makes me believe that people really just NEED to cling on to someone to be the future and will build up reasons in their mind to do so... Like adding significance to things that aren't significant at all... like saying he "survived" things that are twists and turns in wrestling storylines.

There is no less validity to "They want to try him out on Smackdown but he is needed as a pawn in the Cena-Miz feud for one more month" than "WWE sees something in him and wants to keep him involved in the hottest feud in the company in order to build him up." None. At all. Yet when the point is brought up that *gasp!* maybe he is just a pawn for the feud and maybe he just happened to be the rookie on NXT who Miz was paired with and is reeping the benefits as opposed to WWE thinking so highly of him all along, people go ape-shit! And that's the "stick my fingers in my ears and yell lalalalalalalalala" attitude that lends more credibility to my theory that people WANT something to happen, therefore they will come up with reasons why it is happening.
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Christian is much worse than Riley.
Whats interesting is, I read this post before I looked at who posted it and said "I bet thats Gertner trolling again."

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Old 05-12-2011, 06:13 PM   #131
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Fucking hell, I'm begging someone to actually read the rest of shit I've said in the thread.

My point: I haven't seen anything from Alex Riley. No awesome promos, nothing more than a few short WWE TV style matches on NXT and a squash here and there. Neither of these showcased ANYTHING. Good or bad. Yet people still praise him for these things as if he's been tearing the house down and he's on his way to being something.

I AM NOT ASSERTING ANYTHING one way or another about his future. I'm simply saying to put label him as the next big thing based on him standing next to The Miz while Miz participates in main event storylines is insane.

My other point: The fact that so many people do see such a bright future despite these things makes me believe that people really just NEED to cling on to someone to be the future and will build up reasons in their mind to do so... Like adding significance to things that aren't significant at all... like saying he "survived" things that are twists and turns in wrestling storylines.

There is no less validity to "They want to try him out on Smackdown but he is needed as a pawn in the Cena-Miz feud for one more month" than "WWE sees something in him and wants to keep him involved in the hottest feud in the company in order to build him up." None. At all. Yet when the point is brought up that *gasp!* maybe he is just a pawn for the feud and maybe he just happened to be the rookie on NXT who Miz was paired with and is reeping the benefits as opposed to WWE thinking so highly of him all along, people go ape-shit! And that's the "stick my fingers in my ears and yell lalalalalalalalala" attitude that lends more credibility to my theory that people WANT something to happen, therefore they will come up with reasons why it is happening.
Like I said, you are missing the point. As well as repeating yourself over and over again. And I've read everything you've said in this thread. Nobody is clinging onto anything yet you keep repeating that point despite people pointing out over and over what it is they see in the guy. If you can't see the difference between him and the rest of guys in a similar spot, if you can't see the little things that he does well that separate him from most of the other new guys, which you've made abundantly clear that you don't, then just say so. You could have just said 'I don't see it'. As opposed to attempting to back it up/downplay everything people are saying despite it clearly flying in the face of logic. I couldn't care less about Alex Riley, about him succeeding, about WWE gaining something from his potential success so I don't 'WANT something to happen' as you put it. I (and quite a few others on here as you can see) am capable of seeing there is something to Riley that makes him stand out from the crowd, that he appears to have the tools to be a success. Even if you personally don't see anything in Riley, I'm really not seeing how you don't get at least this point yet.
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Whats interesting is, I read this post before I looked at who posted it and said "I bet thats Gertner trolling again."

WWWYKI bro.
What's more interesting is the fact that despite that, you still couldn't help but respond to it.
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Like I said, you are missing the point. As well as repeating yourself over and over again. And I've read everything you've said in this thread. Nobody is clinging onto anything yet you keep repeating that point despite people pointing out over and over what it is they see in the guy. If you can't see the difference between him and the rest of guys in a similar spot, if you can't see the little things that he does well that separate him from most of the other new guys, which you've made abundantly clear that you don't, then just say so. You could have just said 'I don't see it'. As opposed to attempting to back it up/downplay everything people are saying despite it clearly flying in the face of logic. I couldn't care less about Alex Riley, about him succeeding, about WWE gaining something from his potential success so I don't 'WANT something to happen' as you put it. I (and quite a few others on here as you can see) am capable of seeing there is something to Riley that makes him stand out from the crowd, that he appears to have the tools to be a success. Even if you personally don't see anything in Riley, I'm really not seeing how you don't get at least this point yet.
The problem is there are always a ton of guys that "stand out" above everyone else. Speaking of flying in the face of logic. lol. If Riley happened to be the one guy that people say it about it's fine. But my "people need someone..." theory comes from the fact that most of the undercard roster is looked at as "above the rest". It's not logical.

And as far as the "I don't see it" thing. I've admitted that. I don't see it. However I've tried to gauge exactly what it is people see and no one seems to want to go further in that discussion than "Cause he's a good wrestler, good on the mic, etc..." without giving examples or anything.

No one is saying he is the next mega-star but really, that's the only way you can stick out in 3 minute NXT matches and being squashed by Cena. You can't possibly show wrestling skill with that as your job. And I really want someone to post some of these promos where he's shown to be "above the rest of the pack." As soon as someone points out to me a match where he showed that he has skills to be a superstar or a promo where he's shown that he's better than average and I either say "I don't see why that was good" or "I was wrong". It's that simple.
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What's more interesting is the fact that despite that, you still couldn't help but respond to it.
Not sure how thats more interesting but okay
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The problem is there are always a ton of guys that "stand out" above everyone else. Speaking of flying in the face of logic. lol. If Riley happened to be the one guy that people say it about it's fine. But my "people need someone..." theory comes from the fact that most of the undercard roster is looked at as "above the rest". It's not logical.

And as far as the "I don't see it" thing. I've admitted that. I don't see it. However I've tried to gauge exactly what it is people see and no one seems to want to go further in that discussion than "Cause he's a good wrestler, good on the mic, etc..." without giving examples or anything.

No one is saying he is the next mega-star but really, that's the only way you can stick out in 3 minute NXT matches and being squashed by Cena. You can't possibly show wrestling skill with that as your job. And I really want someone to post some of these promos where he's shown to be "above the rest of the pack." As soon as someone points out to me a match where he showed that he has skills to be a superstar or a promo where he's shown that he's better than average and I either say "I don't see why that was good" or "I was wrong". It's that simple.
What? Like who? I'm currently seeing Zack Ryder, because he's making a pretty big effort to get himself out there and...that's about it. As for the rest of the 'most of the undercard roster being looked at as above the rest', I have absolutely no idea who you are on about.

And why do people need to post examples? It is there to see every week on TV, multiple folks on this forum alone have been capable of noticing it themselves. You want people to post videos explaining how him looking at the hard cam at the right time or during a backstage segment, a specific facial expression, a certain bit of positioning, not making something look corny or forced on a wrestling show, a nice bit of selling and so on? Like I said, it's the little things that make him stand out on top of being solid elsewhere and the position he's been granted by WWE. And like I've said repeatedly, if you can't see these things, there's no discussion to be had since this will just go back and forth and on and on and you will continue to do that daft redundant internet argument of 'show me proof' as opposed to being able to make up your own mind from his back catalogue of work.
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And like I've said repeatedly, if you can't see these things, there's no discussion to be had since this will just go back and forth and on and on and you will continue to do that daft redundant internet argument of 'show me proof' as opposed to being able to make up your own mind from his back catalogue of work.
The Great Khali is amazing in every way. He's good in the ring and on the mic. If you can't see these things, there's no discussion to be had.

... Now... is it wrong of you to question me saying that and ask for examples? See where I'm coming from now? Or are we gonna go with "NO! DON'T ASK FOR EXAMPLES! DON'T QUESTION ANYTHING! THERE'S NO DISCUSSION HERE! HE IS THE FUTURE! LALALALALALALA!!!"
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Old 05-12-2011, 08:35 PM   #139
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lol fucking hell. Nevermind.
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This thread shows why TPWW = Serious Business.
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That acronym does not fit
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good god Tazz Dan stop being so awful. This thread is a discussion in a discussion forum. It's not even close to what is meant when the term 'TPWW = serious business' is thrown around.
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#1-wwf-fan, you've been around here for a long time and I've always generally liked you and respected your opinion. With that being said, you're being pretty irrational and nutty right now. You're thrusting thoughts and words onto people that they didn't think or say and you're making wild generalizations based on absolutely nothing.

You are not wrong for questioning and wanting examples but you've been provided them and you're still going on with this.

1.) He's got size and athleticism
2.) Apart from size, he's just got a great look going for him.
3.) He's comfortable on the microphone and he's only going to get better. They've even been giving him time here and there to improve on his mic skills.
4.) They've paired him up with the hottest heel in the company and he gets WEEKLY screen time.
5.) They've built him up to be a factor in the Miz's matches. The Miz has won and lost matches because of Riley's involvement. For example: He was just blamed for Miz's DQ two weeks ago.
6.) He's made fun of and referenced by bigger stars (Cena, Rock) all the time.

If you don't like him, it's fine. But you're acting like a chimp right now.
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good god Tazz Dan stop being so awful. This thread is a discussion in a discussion forum. It's not even close to what is meant when the term 'TPWW = serious business' is thrown around.
Stop trolling. All you do is argue with everyone's opinion if it's not your own until the point you sound like a whiney little kid. Yeah this is a discussion forum so accept the fact you are no better than anyone else here and no more entitled to an opinion. Provoking people just makes you seem like a dickhead, not a smart person.
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Now please prove my point by getting all defensive over this and tell me how bad/awful/stupid I am again.
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What? That's a trap. So if he says anything to address your assault then he's an over defensive dickhead? That's ridiculous.

Nobody is arguing with wwf#1fan's opinion. He's saying wild stuff and making gigantic sweeping generalizations that aren't true. Nobody cares that he doesn't like Alex Riley.
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Old 05-12-2011, 10:39 PM   #149
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Isn't that called the ECG defense? I have learnt something from him.

The guy's just been a dick to a lot of people lately. I honesty don't care if he likes me or not, but I'm sick to going into threads and seeing another CSL flame fest. And if this makes me unpopular with a certain group of posters, well I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
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Old 05-12-2011, 11:15 PM   #151
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Stop trolling. All you do is argue with everyone's opinion if it's not your own until the point you sound like a whiney little kid. Yeah this is a discussion forum so accept the fact you are no better than anyone else here and no more entitled to an opinion. Provoking people just makes you seem like a dickhead, not a smart person.
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Isn't that called the ECG defense? I have learnt something from him.

The guy's just been a dick to a lot of people lately. I honesty don't care if he likes me or not, but I'm sick to going into threads and seeing another CSL flame fest. And if this makes me unpopular with a certain group of posters, well I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
You are talking out of your arse. lol @ you expecting me to get defensive though. Isn't that Tazz Dan go to move #3, right after 'the back up' and 'the fence-sit'?
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Old 05-12-2011, 11:17 PM   #152
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And doesn't trolling indicate somebody saying something they don't mean to garner a response? I was hoping you wouldn't respond, I just wanted to ask you stop being awful. Can't a young man in this big mean world attempt to stop something awful from being that way?
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Old 05-12-2011, 11:40 PM   #153
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Yeah, because your generic 'Im better than everyone on here' attitude is hidden so well. As for the trolling I was referring to you in this and other threads in general. Just get off yourself buddy, you ain't that special.
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Let's settle.

CSL, you're acting a bit like an arrogant shithead as of late. Ever since Seth82 dubbed you King of the Gays. You're still on the money, but you've got a bit of a flamboyant heel thing going on.

Tazz Dan, this does not excuse you from being ridiculous. You're causing a scene everywhere and you're always pretty douchey about it. You're never funny about it, you come off extremely defensive, and you typically rally more people to the other side of the argument that you're in because you're being a cock.

Now get along, you fucking dicks.
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NOW EVERYBODY SETTLE THE FUCK DOWN.

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lolll the 'since Seth82 crowned you King of the Gays' part. I think that's just you seeing that and then seeing me giving people shit more, happening at kind of the same time? I've definitely been a lot more outspoken over the last 8 months to a year or so, it's not really anything new. And I certainly don't feel I'm better than anybody, dunno, I just don't really care about giving somebody shit nowadays for posting daft stuff and first and foremost for that is the large section of the wrestling forum inhabited by the muties, which I would guess where your observation has come from.
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Yeah, because your generic 'Im better than everyone on here' attitude is hidden so well. As for the trolling I was referring to you in this and other threads in general. Just get off yourself buddy, you ain't that special.
This seems to be your response to everybody that ever gives you shit. blah blah better than other people blah blah high horse etc. Please give me examples, to quote you, of me starting a 'flame fest', 'trolling', 'being a dick to a lot of people' for no reason and so on. Because I don't think you could and you're simply mistaking/overlooking the fact that I'm telling you that you're shit, as opposed to me ragging on everybody.
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'Flamboyant heel' is kind of making me hard
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Actually I'm thinking you could definitely make a run with the flamboyant heel gimmick. And yeah, probably some wierd timing thing mixed with me just wanting to call you 'The King of the Gays'

And I'm jealous because I want Seth82's penis inside of me.
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