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Old 12-08-2012, 11:26 PM   #121
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I'm not a Diazeses's brothers fan because of their stupid faces. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the idea of a cocky asshole who taunts and talks shit. I can be all about that. But I don't like his stupid face so I was rooting for Benson (who trains not too far from where I live now) to knock the fuck out of Diaz (who trains not too far from where I used to live). There were times where it looked like Benson could have thrown a right uppercut and surprise Diaz but I suppose you can only know the distance when you're in the ring --CAGE, sorry-- and not from TV.

Missed a lot of the Rua fight. Dunno what to think of B.J. Penn if it's age catching up to him or if it's just difficult opponents. A mixture of both, obviously, but you wonder how much longer he can contend with the best.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:08 AM   #122
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BJ was actually retired after his loss to Nick Diaz and Rory called him out..

It was a bitchlike power play on Rory';s part cause sure, Penn looked good against Hughes (cause Hughes was a small 170er) but other than that, Penn gets his ass kicked at welterweight.. Rory calls out a much smaller/older retired fighter who already had trouble with GSP (who trains Rory) for a squash.. It was cheap heat and Rory was eating it up..

p.s. there was a big hooplah during the post fight of weather Benson had a toothpick in his mouth during the fight.. It is well known he chews on them during interviews etc but someone said he was fighting with one tonight, he hinted that is was true, and all hell broke lose.. The UFC official (Dave something who I had never seen before, dunno where Dana was) had to step in during questioning all serious like "Benson clearly was joking and DIDN'T fight with a shard of wood in his mouth"... When a reporter asked Diaz, who was late cause of medical, about it, he was like "I dunno if he had one in his mouth but if he did, that's pretty weird"...
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:11 AM   #123
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Jorgenson did get sub and fight of the night

Dunno who got KO
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How is he a "punk"??
middle finger during a fight he was getting destoryed in = Punk....
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Naw, bro. You just a fkn H8r.
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It's cool when there are clear cut heels like Rory and Diaz. Makes the casual fan more interested.
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Called that shit. I've been saying forever that Pacquiao was doing nothing but beating up on Floyd's sloppy seconds. Now he gets knocked the fuck out by a guy who fights the same style as Floyd and also got his ass beat by Floyd after Money took a year off. All the Pacquiao dickriders can put away their vaseline now.

Great night for combat sports in general.
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:27 AM   #130
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middle finger during a fight he was getting destoryed in = Punk....
So is Rashad a "punk" for jaw jacking, blowing kisses and grabbing his crotch during a fight?? Or Chuck Liddell for calling a Tito a "pussy" during a fight?? Or Randy Couture for spanking Tito?? Or for Tito to put on a "I just fucked you ass" shirt after beating Guy Mezger?? Or Anderson Silva for talking shit and dacning like a cat during fights??

It's a fight and emotions run high.. Diaz was frustrated with Hendersons wrestling and had an emotional moment..

Not really a reason to call him a "punk"..

Pauly Daily is a punk for swinging on Kos after the fight, not Kos for talking shit during it..
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More disrespectful than flipping someone off..
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Thoie were all during/after fights, not to mention what guys like Chael Sonnen say building up fights about people's families, home countries, etc..
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Haven't watched yet but read that Bendo fought the whole fight with a toothpick in his mouth, what?

Also fuck Rory McDonald, hipster faggot.
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Agreed. I hope Condit buries him.
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Justifying bad behavior with other people's bad behavior is retarded. All that kind of punk-ass shit is why MMA is going to struggle with truly being mainstream and getting the "respect" you think it deserves from the mass media.
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Justifying bad behavior with other people's bad behavior is retarded. All that kind of punk-ass shit is why MMA is going to struggle with truly being mainstream and getting the "respect" you think it deserves from the mass media.
The idea that MMA will ever be truly mainstream or behavior like that of Nate Diaz will keep it from being mainstream is a bit off.

First of all, combat sports in general were never "mainstream." Boxing in its heyday was still based around the idea of it being an "event" as opposed to something fans tuned in every week to see. People paid attention to two or three pay per views a year and the rest of the time it went pretty much unnoticed by the general public and mass media.

Go back and look at the stars of the 80s and 90s in boxing and you will probably be able to count on one hand the number of true draws. Dana and the UFC are trying to fight a trend that they can't overcome. They've got three or four guys who will do at least half a million buys guaranteed and the rest are filler, just like boxing's biggest draws were essentially De La Hoya, Tyson and Holyfield in the 90s and maybe Roy Jones Jr. to a lesser extent.

I don't think Nate Diaz's behavior is what will ultimately keep the sport back either. In fact, having someone like him or his brother is good because at the end of the day, polarizing guys are better draws. GSP, Jones, Diaz are all great draws because people either love them or hate them and they're all different in terms of their personalities. A roster full of dudes flipping the bird wouldn't be good for promotions, but neither would a roster full of babyfaces. This Henderson/Diaz matchup was the perfect dichotomy because if you didn't care for the dude flipping the bird, you could cheer for the good Christian son of a Korean immigrant who also happens to be the champion.

Also, the biggest draws in the history of boxing and combat sports in general are Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Mike Tyson. Not exactly choir boys inside or outside of the ring, yet Mayweather does Wrestlemania numbers every time he fights.
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UFC doesn't want to be like boxing though. The NFL, MLB, NBA, etc. do good numbers without having guys flip the bird or call people mother fuckers. Yes, there are "good guys" and "bad guys" but 99% of the athletes don't act like fucking thugs on national TV. If the UFC wants to be treated like all the other sports on ESPN or get decent major media coverage, then they need to come off like an elite sports organization and not the clusterfuck of boxing. MMA is already in a better spot that boxing because their is a clear promotion that is "elite" and above all others. The UFC brand has more weight than any boxing organization ever did because it has no equals in their sport.

Yes, boxing and UFC draw and the sideshow acts get coverage but how much of it is positive coverage that will entice new viewers to watch the sport? UFC has grown too fast and tapped out its core demo. UFC needs to entice new viewers and new demos. Some guy flipping off his opponent while getting his ass beat will not accomplish that.
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UFC has taken advantage of modern media with having a reality show, weekly highlight shows, buildup specials, and cards on normal TV. Boxing has always had to be on HBO/Showtime or on at 11pm on ESPN2 on a Friday night. I don't think it is impossible for MMA/UFC to be talked about as casually and as mainstream as other professional sports. Their athletes are starting to get endorsement deals from Nike and things. Guys who pull shit like Diaz and others will only hinder that growth.
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Yes the UFC has a reality show, but look at the ratings over the last 4 or 5 seasons. They're only attracting hardcore fans. Those shows aren't making stars. The weekly highlight shows are filler for Fuel TV which no one watches and aside from the major Fox cards, which have been hit or miss in terms of ratings, their other t.v. cards do worse numbers than wrestling.

Just my opinion but, there's only so much MMA the mainstream public will tune in for and it will take dynamic "faces/heels" and/or stacked cards to bring them in. The UFC will never be on pay with the NFL/NBA/MLB just due to the fact that the graphic nature of the sport won't appeal to everyone, but the "event" like status of certain fighters and cards will still allow it to be must see t.v. on certain occasions. And I don't see how having a "bad boy" like Nate Diaz hurts the growth when him and his brother are one of the most popular fighters on the roster. The reception he got shows that and part of the reason why this matchup was so appealing was because he was the challenger. I agree that fighters like those guys should be few and far between, but not everyone in the mainstream wants a good guy like GSP to cheer for either.
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JamesSteele are you serious??

You are acting appalled by Diaz flipping the bird when you've had fist fights during NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL games, can clearly hear cussing during any NFL or NBA game, have pro athletes getting caught with drugs and guns, have murders, have NBA players attacking and choking coaches during games, having player stomp on opposing players/kick them in the groin.. Even had that soccer player headbutt an opposing p;layer during a game.. Not to mention fan beatings and riots, which has NEVER HAPPENED during an MMA event.. The list goes on..

The are "bad seeds" in any sport but you are a ridiculous hater who looks for reasons to hate..

I would rather my kid see someone flip the bird during a CAGE FIGHT than to see a coach choke a kid or throw a chair at players during an NCAA basketball game..
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Old 12-10-2012, 08:14 AM   #147
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Tanya Harding tried to have her opponent kneecapped during the Olympics..

Find something to worry about, you whiney bitch..
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Yeah, comparing them to other sports is slightly disingenous, these guys beat the fuck out of other guys for a living so I wouldn't exactly be surprised theres a few bad apples in the pack.

Plus, look at the guys behavior outside the company. I heard a guy in the NFL shot his gf over a domestic dispute and killed himself, when do you hear of guys like that in UFC? At worst youve got a guy like Rampage or Mayhem who spazzes out and gets naked.
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Another NFL player crashed his car this past weekend killing his teammate while drunk..

The list goes on..

JamesSteele likes to talk out of his ass so much he needs to wipe in between posts..
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Also,



He almost killed the WWE with those type of antics!!1!
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Once again, you miss the fucking point because you are so damn defensive about MMA. Of all those bad behaviors you mentioned, how many were viewed as positive publicity for the sport? UFC is trying to establish itself and its identity to the world at large still while the other leagues were well established in the fabric of sports culture long before such negative things occurred/got made public.
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Maybe it's because those sports got established in an era where there was no twitter, cellphones, or anything else besides newpapers.

The UFC is doing fine, flipping the bird isn't killing anything. All they have to do is not put any Diaz fight on broadcast tv and done.

Dana is the only one that might want to tone it down a little with the cursing.
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Apparently, Henderson did have a toothpick in his mouth during the fight:

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UFC lightweight champion Benson Henderson apparently fought with a toothpick in his mouth during his entire 25-minute title fight against Nate Diaz this weekend.

Henderson successfully defended the 155-pound title for the second time Saturday, defeating Diaz via unanimous decision in the headlining fight of the UFC on Fox event at KeyArena in Seattle.

Henderson declined to answer directly in an immediate post-fight interview when asked whether or not he had a toothpick in his mouth during the fight. Asked again at a press conference later that night, Henderson admitted he regularly trains that way.

"I can not confirm or deny that," Henderson said with a smirk. "I normally do, yeah. I have it in practice (and) when I spar. It's a bad habit, but whatever. I've gotten away with it so far."

Internet videos that later surfaced confirmed the presence of what appeared to be a toothpick sticking out of Henderson's mouth at the conclusion of the fight.

UFC president Dana White stated he saw a toothpick in Henderson's mouth in between rounds.

"Let me tell you what, I saw a toothpick pop out of his mouth when he walked back to the corner," said White, during a post-fight interview on Fuel TV. "That is the craziest thing I have ever seen. That is so not legal it's not even funny."

White added he did not expect Henderson to receive any punishment.

The Washington State Department of Licensing told ESPN.com on Monday it was determining whether or not to release a statement. Representatives from Henderson's camp declined to comment further when reached Saturday night.

Mixed martial artists are searched prior to competing, including the mouth area. Officials also verify that contestants wear a mouthpiece.

Diaz, when asked for his thoughts on the toothpick at the press conference, gave a long, puzzled stare across the podium towards Henderson before responding.

"I don't know if he did, but that's weird," Diaz said.
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Fighting with a toothpick in his mouth was insanely stupid and kind of badass at the same time.
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They made a huge deal about it, when he joked about it at the post fight presser..
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Diaz bros are punks, love seeing either get punched in the face.
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It's a good thing they are both professional fighters then..
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Are you and the Diaz brothers friends?
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no

Have met Gilbert Melendez but no one else from their camp..
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Hey, guess what, James Steele is wrong again..

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The Diaz brothers are no mystery. When they show up to compete, they offer 100 percent effort from opening bell to closing horn. When they speak, they say some things that make you think, and others that make you scratch your head. Any other time, they are liable to do something controversial.

Over the last week, Nate Diaz offered up a bit of everything. On Saturday night, it was a small dose of controversy. On at least two occasions during his UFC on FOX 5 lightweight championship matchup with Benson Henderson, Diaz offered up a middle finger to Henderson in an attempt to rattle him. Viewers at home might not have noticed the gesture as the broadcast immediately cut to a shot of an empty arena, but it did appear on screen, if just for a split-second.

The incident caught the attention of many, including mainstream media like The Los Angeles Times and Deadspin.

Such things have happened on national television before, as recently as February's Super Bowl XLVI, when singer M.I.A. flipped the bird during a halftime performance on NBC. The network was not ultimately fined for it, and several broadcast attorneys have argued that such a gesture isn't even illegal under Federal Communications Commission rules, although it tends to generate public complaints. Most of the time, such incidents are handled by the individual sports leagues, which have a history of fining athletes who make the gesture on the air.

The response to this one has been fairly muted -- probably because people who watch mixed martial arts aren't the types to be rattled by something so mildly offensive -- and in a statement to MMA Fighting, a FOX spokesperson credited the UFC for its fast reaction to the incident.

"It’s not appropriate for air, but the folks in the UFC’s production truck were on the ball. They cut away so quickly that it was virtually indiscernible to the naked eye. We regret even a small fraction of a second snuck through."

Diaz suffered a lopsided unanimous decision loss in the five-round main event. And despite his earlier one-finger salutes, he exhibited proper sportsmanship at the final bell, congratulating Henderson and lifting the champion's arm in the air to indicate he was the better man.
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Apparently 6m people watched the main event, niceee.
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