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Old 02-08-2016, 05:25 PM   #121
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Wait, Mark Henry retired officially??
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Old 02-08-2016, 05:36 PM   #122
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So, how long until WWE pats themselves on the back on camera for 'caring about the well being of their Independent Contractors,' as a non-subtle jab at Punk.

And how long until Trips or Steph do a tasteless bit calling a "B+ Player" for heat, and getting 0 pushback on it from anyone, heel or face.

I say the very next segment for both.
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Old 02-08-2016, 05:55 PM   #123
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Wait, Mark Henry retired officially??
No, it was a gimmick and he turned face and heel on the same segment beating up John Cena. He has mentioned this will be his last WrestleMania in Houston.
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Old 02-08-2016, 06:18 PM   #124
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I am a bit upset that Daniel Bryan is retiring prematurely. He has been my favorite performer ever since the passing of Eddie Guerrero and that Canadian wrestler that we are not allowed to talk about.

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Old 02-08-2016, 07:02 PM   #125
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This kind of reminds me when HBK came out and lost his smile in 1997



Bryan was trained by HBK. Both Bryan and HBK became champions....

HBK announced his retirement on RAW

Bryan will also announce his retirement on RAW

Conspiracy?

February 13th, 1997…the then reigning WWF champion “The Heartbreak Kid” Shawn Michaels is introduced to the ring by Vince McMahon. Shawn then drops a “bombshell” that he is seriously injured and may never wrestler again. He proceeds to hand over his title to then WWF President Gorilla Monsoon and says he lost his smile. He thanks the fans…hugs Vince…hugs Gorilla and walks out. The TV cameras show several of his female fans in the audience visibly shocked and shaken by his announcement. Jim Ross says that in the 25 years of being in the wrestling business…he never felt such a pain in his gut like tonight.



PS: Notice the month February?
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Old 02-08-2016, 07:03 PM   #126
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Damn, this sucks ass..guy really made the most of his second run in WWE though (the first being in the early 2000s)...

● World Heavyweight Champion
● Intercontinental Champion
● WWE Tag Team Champion
● United States Champion
●3× WWE World Heavyweight Champion
● SD! MitB Winner, 2011
● 26th WWE Triple Crown Champion
● 15th WWE Grand Slam Champion
● 12× Slammy Award Winner

If that's not a career worthy of one day being named a WWE Hall of Famer, I don't know WTF is.

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Old 02-08-2016, 07:34 PM   #127
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No, it was a gimmick and he turned face and heel on the same segment beating up John Cena. He has mentioned this will be his last WrestleMania in Houston.
And another moment where he could have been made into something more. One of the better "recent" swerves.
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Old 02-08-2016, 10:22 PM   #128
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No, it was a gimmick and he turned face and heel on the same segment beating up John Cena. He has mentioned this will be his last WrestleMania in Houston.
Got it. I had heard the second part but totally missed the first.
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Old 02-08-2016, 11:22 PM   #129
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As usual, Bret was right :

“Daniel Bryan is finished,” said Hart. “He’ll never wrestle again. I don’t think he knows it yet. I feel terrible about Daniel Bryan. For all intents and purposes, he had the exact same thing happen to him that happened to me after Bill Goldberg kicked me in the head [ending Hart’s career].

“One day, you learn it’s over. Doctors tell you that you can’t wrestle and you’ll never wrestle again. I lost millions of dollars because of that. I pray that it’s not the same for Daniel Bryan.
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Old 02-08-2016, 11:23 PM   #130
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Old 02-09-2016, 12:03 AM   #131
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From a purely selfish standpoint I'm fucking gutted thinking about all of the possible matches/programs that aren't going to come to fruition now. Bryan/Owens, Bryan/Styles, Bryan/Jericho in one of the few programs I'd still be interested in seeing Jericho doing, Bryan/Angle if and when Angle comes in for one last WWE match, Bryan/basically anybody at NXT.

But it's 100% the right call for him to hang 'em up and I'm glad he's doing it. Possible brain damage is nothing to screw around with at all. I thank Bryan for so many incredible matches and great moments. WM30 will always be one of my top wrestling memories ever.
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Old 02-09-2016, 12:14 AM   #132
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Never was a fan of the guy, didnt even like him in ROH. Feel like WWE over pushed him way to much. Thought he was a solid IC title guy at best. Just never really understood all the hype about him. Hate to see anybody not be able to do what they love but its for the best. I wont miss the guy but I know alot of you will.
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Old 02-09-2016, 03:21 AM   #133
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This genuinely upsets me, but obviously his health is the most important thing.

He and Punk were the last two guys who held my interest in watching and once Punk left, that just left Bryan....with him gone I don't know whether I'll carry on watching. The product is pretty bad, with poor booking and bland characters. The wrong people are being put in spots they aren't ready for/deserve.

I only continued to watch on the off chance that Bryan would return but now, there's no one left for me to get behind. Cena is boring, Reigns is terrible, anyone who should be given a chance (Cesaro) aren't due to Vince's boner for bigger guys/Rock wannabe's. There's no one I feel I can connect to with or cheer for because anyone with an organic connection with the 'universe' get pulled back.

I think that's also what's made this worse is the fact I'm now contemplating giving up something I've watched for over 25 years. There's just nothing left for me to enjoy.
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Old 02-09-2016, 04:48 AM   #134
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Just been looking at a few videos and you have to wonder what the WWE missed out on by the fact he is now retired. I havent seen crowds behind a guy like that since the attitude era.

Sad that hes done, but if it extends his life well worth it.
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Old 02-09-2016, 05:21 AM   #135
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Just been looking at a few videos and you have to wonder what the WWE missed out on by the fact he is now retired. I havent seen crowds behind a guy like that since the attitude era.

Sad that hes done, but if it extends his life well worth it.
This is where the conspiracy lied, Bryan became too successful WWE got worried that no over talent would be able to get over as much.

So they had no choice but to let Daniel retire,.
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I think that's also what's made this worse is the fact I'm now contemplating giving up something I've watched for over 25 years. There's just nothing left for me to enjoy.
I've mostly been sticking with NXT and have watched Lucha Underground and finally jumped about the NJPW hype train and have been watching loads of great stuff on NJPW World. It was difficult to accept that WWE itself doesn't really interest me anymore and at first I was of the mindset that if I don't like the biggest wrestling company in the world, why should I bother with anything else?

But after finally biting the bullet and checking out other companies it helped remind me why I loved wrestling as a whole. The first season of LU had be pretty well captivated, and Wrestle Kingdom 10 was the best top-to-bottom show I'd watched in years, and that was me watching without knowing any of the storylines or most of the wrestlers going in.
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So D Brys father didn't get to watch his sons mania match? Or daniel meant that the one match in december was the last one he could watch live.
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Old 02-09-2016, 10:36 AM   #138
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I've mostly been sticking with NXT and have watched Lucha Underground and finally jumped about the NJPW hype train and have been watching loads of great stuff on NJPW World. It was difficult to accept that WWE itself doesn't really interest me anymore and at first I was of the mindset that if I don't like the biggest wrestling company in the world, why should I bother with anything else?

But after finally biting the bullet and checking out other companies it helped remind me why I loved wrestling as a whole. The first season of LU had be pretty well captivated, and Wrestle Kingdom 10 was the best top-to-bottom show I'd watched in years, and that was me watching without knowing any of the storylines or most of the wrestlers going in.
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Old 02-09-2016, 12:10 PM   #140
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I wonder if Bryan's retirement will eventually lead to a change in how they go about their business in terms of booking television. Raw has multiple 15-20 minute matches a week and most of them are quite good (WWE's problem the last few years has never been lack of talent) but so many of them end up meaning absolutely nothing. You even have JBL on TV outright saying that wins and losses don't matter.

These guys are busting their asses for lengthy television matches that will be forgotten by Wednesday, and that's a shame.

Maybe they should try to find some happy medium between what they're doing now and how Raw was booked back in the Attitude Era. I know it's a 3 hour show but if they shorten the matches a bit you can get more guys on the show, maybe feature some guys that get lost in the shuffle, and most importantly make sure each match has an actual purpose on the show other than to just eat up time. And you save most of the really long, "epic" bouts for PPV.
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I think the whole "being on the road 5 days a week" is more to blame than an extra 5 minutes a week on Raw
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assuming you mean that re: Bryan's medical issues being because he wrestled a lot of long matches on raw (not sure)
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Old 02-09-2016, 01:07 PM   #143
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What is lost on the majority of WWE viewers is that he was wrestling well before he even made it there and had already suffered many injuries, concussions included.

Until and if (lol) Daddy Vince wants to start paying for faster methods of travel (ie: planes, mustache rides) the necessity to travel as hard as they do will remain. They COULD pull back on touring, but I imagine that would have a HUGE impact (loltna) on the bottom line, reducing live event merch sales and gate dollars.
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Old 02-09-2016, 01:19 PM   #144
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I think the whole "being on the road 5 days a week" is more to blame than an extra 5 minutes a week on Raw
The WWE schedule is brutal and no doubt plays a part in guys getting banged up, but from what I've read house shows just tend to be a lot more relaxed. I don't think you see guys taking all that many crazy ass bumps when the cameras aren't on.
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Yeah but I mean, look at MLB players. The schedule is pretty demanding even for a decidedly leisurely sport. Imagine if they essentially had no offseason
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No I get what you're saying, the schedule certainly doesn't help matters. But when I watch a lot of WWE matches now it just feels like there's an "arms race" of sorts to do bigger, often times increasingly risky moves in order to achieve a short-term gain.

A turning point, for me, was watching the Dolph Ziggler/Luke Harper match at TLC 2014. A match most people probably don't even remember happened. Yet, despite being the opening match on a throwaway show, it was full of absurdly dangerous and risky spots. I remember wincing and grimacing at each spot, but not in the way I would watching something like Ishii/Shibata where that's all part of my enjoyment, more just asking "Why?" when Luke Harper dives out of the ring, into a ladder, into Ziggler, trapping his arm in the ladder. Stupidly dangerous. In the first match. Of a show that would go on to have another ladder match.

The story of WWE in the past ten years is a story of diminishing returns - guys taking bigger and riskier bumps more frequently, increasingly dangerous and elaborate ladder-based high spots, all while the crowd sit on their hands, sigh, and say, "It was better in the Attitude Era, there was blood then". Even the people these spots were clearly designed to impress are unimpressed now. And it's not just the weapons and the "big" bumps and high spots - I don't want to sound like an old-timer saying how a DDT should still be the biggest finish on the show, but Dolph Ziggler hits an X-Factor from the top rope as a transition. Kevin Owens hits a Top Rope Fisherman Buster Thing practically every match, but has never once won a match with it. We don't need that.

We need to kill off this toxic mentality that "he sacrificed his body for the fans" - usually coupled with "the show must go on" - is a good thing. No, that's a horrible thing. "Mick Foley was great because he put his body through so much punishment in the name of entertainment". Well, guess what? Before he was even 50 years old Mick Foley struggled to pull his body weight on to a three-foot high bar stool, and we've all heard the stories of how he can't even tie his own shoelaces. Back in 1995, Foley cut one of the best promos of all time warning of this exact thing. If you go through wrestling sacrificing yourself, and putting your body at risk for the fan's entertainment, they'll only care for as long as you're doing it then move on to the next one. They don't care, so why bother?

People didn't love Mick Foley and people don't love Daniel Bryan because of the risks they were prepared to put themselves through - if they did, Blockbuster boy Nick Mondo would be the biggest star in wrestling. People love them because they connected to them, related to them, and saw something they liked.
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What was the match that actually "did him in"?

His SD! match with Sheamus?
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assuming you mean that re: Bryan's medical issues being because he wrestled a lot of long matches on raw (not sure)
I'd put more focus on his pre-WWE days. The guy would trade running headbutts with Nigel McGuinness, worked 15 minutes after a detached retina, worked for about 5 months with torn shoulder. Did a lot of damage before he even got to WWE.
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What was the match that actually "did him in"?

His SD! match with Sheamus?


For serious though, it will just be a build up. Concussion science is still fairly new which is how Bryan was probably getting so many different answers from different doctors.
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HHH, Vince and the writers must be so happy.

The fans were disrupting their wonderful angles by chanting for this vanilla midget.
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No no,


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Wonder if that was before or after his speech.
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I hope that was from before the speech. Because after he was done with his speech he seemed to be at peace with his decision, which was nice to see.
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Might have been after, he said in the YouTube video that he was crying with The Ryback backstage afterwards.
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Was there a video in your last post?

Couldn't see anything
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I posted the video in the RAW thread where he mentions crying with The Ryback
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I posted the video in the RAW thread where he mentions crying with The Ryback
Yeah, thought it was IN THIS VERY THREAD so didn't repost, but for the lazy:
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One last mention of THE RYBACK
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