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Old 02-05-2017, 06:49 PM   #1
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Yah....why are the cruiserweights exclusive to Raw? Kayfabe. I get it, it's a 3 hour show.
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Old 02-05-2017, 07:03 PM   #2
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Do the cruisers get any screen time away from the title? 205 live or moving them to Smackdown seems like it'd be better than giving them to Raw.

I imagine regardless of how they split the rosters, the lackluster writing would sink the ship regardless
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Old 02-05-2017, 09:31 PM   #3
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As for the point about Charlotte surviving not being a testament to her skills -- it truly is. With the WWE being generally shit (and I am more down on it than a lot of people here, so please don't assign me the position of WWE apologist), you need stars that can survive that. You can no longer count on "Well, if they're booked well, they'll be something special." No, now you need to be able to be something even if you are booked shitty. Charlotte can do that. Bayley and Sasha are on struggle street. They won't be fired or anything, but they're not exactly setting the world on fire like people thought they would.

I haven't watched that much recently, but I did see the Triple Threat at Clash of Champions. It was okay, but it felt like every spot they always do. I'm giving Charlotte her props, but one thing she doesn't have is experience. Becky Lynch brought that to the WrestleMania Triple Threat and that match was great. With Sasha and Bayley it was just spot, spot, spot, spot and there was no emotional draw. These aren't girls that can go out there and you just tell them to have a 20 minute match and they can do it. They need to plan that shit out and be in front of a crowd that already loves them.

And both Bayley and Sasha are still really young. Both are still in their 20's. Given how young they love to throw the girls out there, because they are still sex appeal, they often aren't as polished as they should be to float in a genuine high-profile position. And that should be expected. These women are human beings and professionals that are still working towards getting the things that make stars down to muscle memory. They're still cooking.

Charlotte is a phenomenon, because she largely has a lot of it down -- the harder stuff that allows her to float while others sink -- and she's only been in the business since 2013. She is freakishly good.

Something seems off about it, mainly because of how they have booked her, but Becky Lynch would make the best opponent for Charlotte, I think. The opponent that could bring the best out of Charlotte, anyway. But they've cast her to the veteran that works with the younger girls role. There are benefits to that, but I think Becky could be a star.
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Old 02-05-2017, 09:44 PM   #4
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I'm pretty weary of this whole debate so I'm only gonna tackle one last thing. This particular comment:

"Ask a kid what they think of Roman Reigns. Chances are they'll tell you that he's the shits."

I work with kids on a daily basis, dude. Many of whom are wrestling fans as I stated before, and while it really pains me to say it, no, they don't think Roman is "the shits." Pretty much every kid I've ever talked to loves the guy. I'm sorry, but you're completely out of touch with what children are into these days based on your assessments of them that I've seen here.
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I work with kids on a daily basis, dude. Many of whom are wrestling fans as I stated before, and while it really pains me to say it, no, they don't think Roman is "the shits." Pretty much every kid I've ever talked to loves the guy.
It's gotta be the vest.

They dig the vest, so moms buy them the merch, and he gets pushed into our faces weekly.
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Old 02-05-2017, 09:54 PM   #6
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I talked to a kid the other day that said "He's boring." Another thinks it's lame that he hasn't "moved on" from The Shield. The only wrestling t-shirts I've seen within the past two years on kids were a Seth Rollins shirt (this is while he was still a heel) and a John Cena shirt. You can find plenty of anecdotes for kids who prefer lots of other acts to Roman Reigns. House shows are largely attended by families these days -- Dean Ambrose outdrew Reigns as a house show attraction. I saw that Gertner posted here that Bray Wyatt and AJ Styles were both better house show draws than Roman Reigns.

Sorry, but your anecdotal evidence only holds up as anecdote. I'm not calling you a liar, because I'm sure you do work with kids, but all the kids I've spoken to think he's pretty shit. My best friend's a teacher, some of the boys in his class stopped watching when Reigns won the belt at WrestleMania (no joke). He's not a wrestling fan, but Reigns is one of the few wrestlers he knows because the kids hate him. My teacher friend who is a wrestling fan works in high schools with adolescents, and they generally aren't interested in wrestling, but he seems to think that AJ Styles is a hit with the ones who are, and that Roman Reigns is despised. Cena is also beloved in an ironic meme sort of way. That's just my anecdotal counter to you. They're worth about the same when it comes to logic -- nothing.

But I can point out that The New Day outsold Reigns' merchandise at the WrestleMania where Reigns was getting his biggest push. I can point out that Ambrose won the WWE Title because he was performing better than Reigns at house shows. None of these indicate that Reigns is hated by all children, of course not; but your argument that he is loved by kids still has a lot of work in front of it, and telling me that you work with kids like you're the only person in the world with access to this information isn't going to convince me. Sorry.
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Old 02-05-2017, 10:59 PM   #7
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Sounds like the "kids" you're talking to are much older than what I (and most people) would call kids. High school age is not a "kid," at least not in the sense we're talking about here.

Also, you're making tons of assumptions about what I'm saying here. I never said that my working with kids makes me the only authority on the subject. However, I would say that it gives me more exposure to that age group and as a result I've got more experience with it than someone who doesn't work with kids. The same could be said of your teacher friend with teenagers as they'd most definitely know more about them than I would, and I'm sure you know more about whatever profession you are in than I ever could.
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Sounds like the "kids" you're talking to are much older than what I (and most people) would call kids. High school age is not a "kid," at least not in the sense we're talking about here.

Also, you're making tons of assumptions about what I'm saying here. I never said that my working with kids makes me the only authority on the subject. However, I would say that it gives me more exposure to that age group and as a result I've got more experience with it than someone who doesn't work with kids. The same could be said of your teacher friend with teenagers as they'd most definitely know more about them than I would, and I'm sure you know more about whatever profession you are in than I ever could.
The first dude I mentioned works with kids <10. You are just trying to pass your experiences off as more significant. This is silly.
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3 strong feuds in the division on Smackdown for the women. Raw needs to step up.
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Yeah, I'm not getting any sense of Charlotte being at all superior to Hayley or Sasha. You can act like cock of the walk all you want, but when all you've done on the main roster is play a long game of hot potato with the RAW Women's Championship, you shouldn't be proud of holding that belt. It's basically as good as a $15 replica at the toy store right now. She should be embarrassed to be forced to lug something around that even the slightest bit of tin foil has more value than it.
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Yeah, I'm not getting any sense of Charlotte being at all superior to Hayley or Sasha. You can act like cock of the walk all you want, but when all you've done on the main roster is play a long game of hot potato with the RAW Women's Championship, you shouldn't be proud of holding that belt. It's basically as good as a $15 replica at the toy store right now. She should be embarrassed to be forced to lug something around that even the slightest bit of tin foil has more value than it.
Yeah, don't feel the RAW Women's Title at all right now. That being said, I still think it is more prestigious than the SmackDown Women's Title, given that it is the first one, the SD belt is on a Diva and overall the RAW division feels more "important." It feels like any of the SmackDown girls would be promoted if they got moved to RAW.
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Conversely, I think the Raw women's title seems very prestigious and the "hotshotting" of the belt really helped that. Seems miles ahead of the Smackdown title in terms of credibility and prestige.
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I don't think the hot-shotting helped, but agree it is more prestigious. Weirdly enough, I kind of feel that the SmackDown Tag Titles are better than the RAW Tag Titles right now, despite them having no history.
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Dave Meltzer reporting that Bayley is hurting ratings:


http://www.tpww.net/2017/02/bayley-i...teenage-girls/
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Since when are teenage girls even remotely a large part of the pro-wrestling fanbase? I hate to sound like CyNick, but y'all are morons if you think that's actually going to hurt WWE.
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Dave Meltzer reporting that Bayley is hurting ratings:


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He's a liar, and so are you by association for helping distribute that seditious BS. #FakeNews #MeltzerSheep #StopLettingSlikWriteArticlesForTheFrontPageHesNotBestForBusiness
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Lol while I'm not impressed by bayley per se, I'm also not that against her. She's not great but she's far from awful. There have been worse, there will be worse.

Legit shocked by how many people dislike her with a passion though. Reading the comments at the end of Meltzer report linked up there was quite enlightening.
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Since when are teenage girls even remotely a large part of the pro-wrestling fanbase? I hate to sound like CyNick, but y'all are morons if you think that's actually going to hurt WWE.
Think the idea with Bayley when she was getting compared as the Female Cena was her being able to bring in a new base for the WWE mainly made up of little girls and young women. Sort of like how Total Divas for a while managed to bring in a good chunk of women as new viewers for the WWE but usually only lasted while a season was showing.

At least that was the idea before RAW's Creative did a terrible job with her since her call up. Meltzer legit thought out of everyone from NXT, she'd be the hardest to mess up with a call up and then ended up not being surprised the WWE found a way to do it.
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So Trish vs Lita > Bayley vs Flair Jr
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So Trish vs Lita > Bayley vs Flair Jr
With no other legit competition that doesn't mean shit. Division is the best it has ever been bar none.
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Charlotte will end up in the same special spot as Trish when it is all said and done. Maybe even above her. Sasha, Becky, or anyone else won't reach Litas level due to her gaining popularity with the Hardys. And booking is horrible for most wrestlers now which hurts them.
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The ratings have been terrible for years. It's not Bayleys fault.
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The ratings have been terrible for years. It's not Bayleys fault.
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The ratings have been terrible for years. It's not Bayleys fault.
It's completely Bayley's fault. She's boring and ugly. Maryse should be champion.
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I like her entrance/theme music but I don't get the hype at all. She has the worst finisher of anyone currently in WWE. Charlotte seems way better in the ring/on the mic than the rest of the entire women's roster tbh.
Slik I like ya man,but Bayley is much better than Flair's horrible daughter. Never thought I would see a Flair that is a worse wrestler than David.Then I saw Charlotte.

But yeah Bayley is highly over-rated by lots of the IWC. She is ok. But they act like she is the second coming of some of the 80s Joshi greats.
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Slik I like ya man,but Bayley is much better than Flair's horrible daughter. Never thought I would see a Flair that is a worse wrestler than David.Then I saw Charlotte.

But yeah Bayley is highly over-rated by lots of the IWC. She is ok. But they act like she is the second coming of some of the 80s Joshi greats.
Bayley is not overrated at all. I'm surprised the poor woman didn't suffer a broken back from carrying Sasha through their NXT TakeOver: Brooklyn match and the Iron Woman match. She's going to be a huge part of the Women's division in WWE for years if not a decade or more.
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I don't think being ugly has anything to do with her being a ratings draw. I think her being boring does though.
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I don't think being ugly has anything to do with her being a ratings draw. I think her being boring does though.
It was when millions are shutting off their TV to go puke in the their toilets when she's on
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She isn't boring. She's generic. Not sure there's much of a difference there in reality. But it is a difference nonetheless.
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I don't watch regularly enough to know, but is she still doing her "I deserve to be here" shtick every week?
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Not as much and not as insistent when she does, but yes, to some degree she still does it. I can only imagine what she'll be like Monday when she's serenaded with "you deserve it" chants.
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This whole thread is generic. The only woman worth watching on either brand is Renee Young.
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