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Old 03-15-2022, 06:40 PM   #121
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Hall, Regal and Piper jump to the front for me.
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Old 03-15-2022, 06:41 PM   #122
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mr. perfect, yeah? and jake the snake? rick rude?
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Old 03-15-2022, 06:42 PM   #123
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I know indy titles don't count, but would you count the AWA title as a world title back in the day? If not, then Mr. Perfect would be another good contender.
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Old 03-15-2022, 06:46 PM   #124
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Old 03-15-2022, 06:56 PM   #125
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but you see my point. its pretty hard to name a great who never held it.
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Old 03-15-2022, 07:12 PM   #126
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and if we can get loose and say run instead of win andre because.. cmon. his win was a bit.
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I believe he was supposed to get the NWA title in the early 80s but something happened . I can't for the life of me remember what it was. I think it was something to do with Harley Race
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Old 03-15-2022, 07:44 PM   #129
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I know indy titles don't count, but would you count the AWA title as a world title back in the day? If not, then Mr. Perfect would be another good contender.
That's a tough one. If you were a WCW fan then you might consider the AWA legends to be "legit" World Champions. I think they are, they were on ESPN and long before that they were a big act in their territories and a successful business for a long time.

I think for someone who didn't watch AWA at all then it's pretty insignificant. Curt is pegged at the IC level in the eyes of history. While I think he'd have been deserving of a PPV against Hogan, Savage, Hart and Warrior all as a challenger. I think it would have been a fun gimmick that that is the one thing he never can accomplish. The give him that drive as a character to always keep going. Meanwhile he could've been more involved in the IC scene and developed those guys a bit.

Just playing EWR mentally here.
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I always thought that Hall was just a step away from that main event perception. He did get a WWF Championship match against Bret at the Rumble but it didn't close the show and wasn't really ever referenced again as he went for the IC belt as a character pretty much the rest of his run.

He just had "it". Super cool, if he'd have stayed sober and driven then wow what a career he could've had. By the time he'd become WCW Champion he was already changing physically due to his addictions, but it seems as if there could be a chance for a reprieve. I remember it fondly to be honest.

I also remember thinking his TNA debut and being 'the main guy' there actually worked. But it wasn't long before he went to WWF and blew his return there.

I really love his Razor theme and toothpick gimmick, the hair, the look, great punches, clothesline, fallaway slam and the Razors Edge as mentioned earlier easily the best move of his era. Fucking loved Razor man, and Scott Hall was fucking lit in WCW (literally) and I loved that too.

Scott Hall was just TOO SWEEEEEEEET
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That's a tough one. If you were a WCW fan then you might consider the AWA legends to be "legit" World Champions. I think they are, they were on ESPN and long before that they were a big act in their territories and a successful business for a long time.

I think for someone who didn't watch AWA at all then it's pretty insignificant. Curt is pegged at the IC level in the eyes of history. While I think he'd have been deserving of a PPV against Hogan, Savage, Hart and Warrior all as a challenger. I think it would have been a fun gimmick that that is the one thing he never can accomplish. The give him that drive as a character to always keep going. Meanwhile he could've been more involved in the IC scene and developed those guys a bit.

Just playing EWR mentally here.

I've seen quite a bit of AWA. The World Title drops in my eyes after Stan Hansen loses it in 86
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Old 03-15-2022, 09:07 PM   #132
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Its true, besides WWF and WCW, it was NWA and AWA. For that era, I would count AWA as a World Championship that would take Curt Hennig and Jerry Lawler out of that was never a world champ conversation.
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Old 03-16-2022, 08:47 AM   #133
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Whoa.... for some reason I thought for SURE he had it at one point. No way....
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Old 03-16-2022, 09:53 AM   #134
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He held the NWA National Heavyweight Championship which was the main title in Georgia but never held one of the big three.

Orndorff was over like rover in that Hogan feud in 86
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Let me ask a question:

As he died of a blood clot directly related to surgery is there a legal case for the family here?
Aren't you made to sign a waiver before surgery so if you die during it the hospital and surgeons aren't responsible?
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Old 03-16-2022, 01:03 PM   #136
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I've been watching all kinds of different Scott Hall matches, promos, and interviews on YouTube the last few days and wow. It's great how it just takes me right down memory lane and makes me go back in time. Very entertaining!
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It's also the first time I've watched some of these shoot interviews he did and you can tell he's one of those wrestlers who just had a great personality irl. What I mean by that is if you watch different wrestlers on shoot interviews, you get a sense of who knows how to entertain and give people what they wanna see and I'm sure that reflects to a lot of their mic work while they are in character as well but my point being is I could listen to someone like Scott Hall all day without getting bored as opposed to some who are just kind of bland and dry when they do these shoots.
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Regal will always be my pick for best to never win a world title.

Gotta be honest, after WCW, I saw hall as more of a tag guy than a sigles competitor.
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Regal has always been my #1 too tbh. So good.
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I’m a huge Piper mark so he’s easily my #1.
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Hall definitely was firmly second fiddle to Nash and Hogan in the latter days of the NWO but once Russo took the hotshotting into overdrive, it is a little crazy to think he never got like… a 3 day run as champion.
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Piper has such a short window of absolute greatness. He's pretty much done by 87 besides that Bret Hart match. But My God, Piper between 82-86 is soooooooo great. I wish there were more Piper footage from California in the late 70s. I've heard he was incredible there as well.
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Gotta be honest, after WCW, I saw hall as more of a tag guy than a sigles competitor.
Hmm... maybe Razor Ramon is more in that particular convo than Scott Hall.
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Regal was never hot enough for a serious world title program let alone run. love his work but i dont see how he even gets into the conversation
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Old 03-16-2022, 06:46 PM   #146
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Regal’s evil GM run in 2008 was the only time I felt he could’ve been a World champ. Regal himself has refuted that the angle was going to result in him getting a title reign but it was set up pretty much perfectly for it to happen. Unfortunate timing with the Wellness suspension.
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Old 03-16-2022, 06:55 PM   #147
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Yeah Regal as World Champ doesn't do it for me either.
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Old 03-16-2022, 06:57 PM   #148
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Piper has such a short window of absolute greatness. He's pretty much done by 87 besides that Bret Hart match. But My God, Piper between 82-86 is soooooooo great. I wish there were more Piper footage from California in the late 70s. I've heard he was incredible there as well.
Lol in my endless search for late 60’s/early 70’s Big Time Wrestling footage, I found some Piper stuff from the late 70s.

I even loved 90s face Piper though. The guy was just so easy to root for.
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Old 03-16-2022, 07:50 PM   #149
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There isn't a wrestler with such a wide gap in my eyes as there is between Heel Piper and Face Piper.

I HATE face Piper.
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Old 03-17-2022, 08:59 AM   #150
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Favorite Piper was from WM VI (I think?) where he fought Bad News Brown and painted himself half black (actual black). He had those wheezing promos, but he was so intense with them. Distinctly remember this as a kid.
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Old 03-17-2022, 09:00 AM   #151
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Old 03-18-2022, 06:15 AM   #153
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Hall could have been one of the most influential creative minds in the business if he’d kept himself on the straight and narrow. Albeit what he was doing wasn’t done in isolation (his look has heavily influenced by DDP, for example) he had his finger on the pulse and was able to draw from happenings outside of the business. Razor being influenced by Scarface, Crow Sting was apparently Hall’s idea, a lot of the rap influence for the nWo/Wolfpac came from him, etc. He seemed like he had an ability to add a flourish to a match or act.
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Old 03-18-2022, 09:30 AM   #154
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I had a false memory in my mind that Hall had a short run around Superbrawl 2000 but no he didn't. Just looking at his Wiki and wow, nobody ever had him as the heavyweight champ. Pretty crazy to me.

Crazy multiverse idea here.... What if there is a world where Nash leave WWF in 96 and takes Kid with him, but also Triple H irate over his treatment due to the Curtain Call (which still happens as a send off to Nash) quits WWF (somehow) and ends up joining Nash and Kid in WCW as the original NWO.

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Yeah Regal as World Champ doesn't do it for me either.
As the years have gone on, I have come to appreciate William Regal more and more. But a World Championship never would have been "appropriate" in my eyes. Just was never "the guy", in any of his runs with a company.
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Old 03-18-2022, 09:42 AM   #156
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There is definitely a world where after Regal won KOTR he went on a crazy power tear and manipulated himself to become Champion if only for a short time. That night he won KOTR set the internet on fire.
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Old 03-18-2022, 10:49 AM   #157
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