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Old 06-26-2023, 03:49 AM   #121
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Old 06-26-2023, 04:09 AM   #122
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Danielson broke his arm early in the match.

Explains why it never really hit that high gear people were expecting.

Shame. But hey, theres always the dome.
Thought he was just selling really well.
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Old 06-26-2023, 04:22 AM   #123
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Old 06-26-2023, 07:21 AM   #124
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I don't get the hype for Omega/Osprey. I heard the last one was really good so I was looking forward to this. It felt like it should have been 20 minutes shorter- the screwdriver part should have been the end but it kept going and going. Even my partner (who doesnt watch a lot of wrestling) was saying "okay wrap it up". I don't know - maybe it's the style of wrestling?
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Old 06-26-2023, 07:21 AM   #125
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Anything worth going out of your way to see on this show?
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Anything worth going out of your way to see on this show?
Punk's match was good - worked heel well and crowd reaction was good. Didn't care for the opener. Fast forwarded a lot of matches. Main event kinda flat.
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Old 06-26-2023, 07:33 AM   #127
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Thanks. I think I’ll check out Punk’s match. Since he’s been back, I’ve been enjoying the layers to his work.
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Old 06-26-2023, 08:50 AM   #128
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I don't get the hype for Omega/Osprey. I heard the last one was really good so I was looking forward to this. It felt like it should have been 20 minutes shorter- the screwdriver part should have been the end but it kept going and going. Even my partner (who doesnt watch a lot of wrestling) was saying "okay wrap it up". I don't know - maybe it's the style of wrestling?
This is my problem with a lot of Omega matches. How many finishers do you need to fucking take before the match is over? Not saying it should be like the WWF in 1995 where you hit a finish and the match is over. And I love old-school Japanese matches that can grow long and a tooth, but they used to feel much more believable.

That said, I haven't watched it, but I can't say I plan to. I'm not invested in either Ostrich or Olivier. Happy to hear everyone loved it, I guess.
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Old 06-26-2023, 09:49 AM   #129
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Danielson broke his arm early in the match.

Explains why it never really hit that high gear people were expecting.

Shame. But hey, theres always the dome.
Yeah that's really a shame. It was obvious they had largely "benched" him after the Iron Man match both to heal nagging injuries and also to make sure he's ready for Forbidden Door this year. They seemed to be trying to not draw attention to it but it was obvious watching all of the BCC/Elite segments. Every pier six brawl that broke out they'd never show Danielson because he'd slide out of the ring and they were going out of their way to make sure he wasn't doing anything physical.

Then the match happens and he picks up a broken arm 10 minutes in. That type of injury can happen to anyone but it was just especially shitty luck that it was him.
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Old 06-26-2023, 09:51 AM   #130
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6-8 week recovery time for Danielson. The good thing is that this, in theory, means he can still work Wembley and All Out (9-10 weeks respectively) if he heals up.

But he's said repeatedly over the last year and a half or so that, while he wants to wrestle into his 50s, his full-time career is very quickly winding down. Think we're pretty much at that point.

I think he'll eventually settle into a schedule where he's just wrestling the PPVs and select big Dynamites like Grand Slam. Figure he works a dozen-ish matches a year while carrying on everything else he's been doing (on-screen managerial role, creative, helping mentor/train younger talent etc)
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Old 06-26-2023, 09:51 AM   #131
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lol I'm sure he still worked a damned fine match with a broken arm.
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Old 06-26-2023, 11:09 AM   #132
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I don't get the hype for Omega/Osprey. I heard the last one was really good so I was looking forward to this. It felt like it should have been 20 minutes shorter- the screwdriver part should have been the end but it kept going and going. Even my partner (who doesnt watch a lot of wrestling) was saying "okay wrap it up". I don't know - maybe it's the style of wrestling?
I also felt this way. That style of wrestling really isn't for me, I don't think.

But I'm not an Omega fan so that was likely a big part of it too.
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Old 06-26-2023, 01:36 PM   #133
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I’m not an Omega fan. It all feels so “fake.” He’s obviously athletically gifted, but kicking out of a finish at 1 to pump a crowd up feels too easy. It’s like it’s cheating somehow. Then there are all the faces he pulls. Maybe that’s gotten better over the years — I’m not an avid enough observer of his work — but it totally takes me out. Effective selling is such a vital part of telling an engaging story. To never master that nuance is lazy to me.

Shame to hear about Danielson’s arm. I dunno, I just don’t care about Bryan Danielson in AEW. And while the next match between Okada and Danielson might be better — it could also be worse too. And now we know a one-armed Danielson is better than a healthy Okada. I hope Okada’s opponents bring that up and slap him with it, because it’s just another thing that makes puroresu way “faker” than it needs to be.

It’s funny — it’s got this cultivated reputation of being treated more like a sport and being respected and what have you. There are times I’m watching it — usually as guys are standing there asking to be hit in the head — that I think it is way more cartoony and ridiculous.
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Old 06-26-2023, 01:40 PM   #134
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I’ve REALLY liked Tanahashi when I’ve seen him wrestle in the past. I’m a bit bummed to hear about him ageing out. Especially because I’m not sure they have a guy that can really replace him.
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Old 06-26-2023, 02:46 PM   #135
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Kudos to Perry/SANADA for accomplishing what it set out to do. Perry got a few hope spots in but it was largely a 10-minute throttling with SANADA completely outclassing him, having one of the shortest/easiest IWGP title defenses in recent memory. He didn't even break out his top-tier finishers for this one.

SANADA comes out of it looking well positioned for his G1 block where he's got guys like Shota Umino, Ren Narita, and Gabriel Kidd in there, so he can go on a "fuck 'dem kids" kind of run.

Perry meanwhile gets beaten so decisively that he finally comes to grips with the fact that he's simply not good enough as he is, leading to the turn.
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Genuinely intrigued by a heel Jack Perry. Still not convinced he can cut a promo worth a fuck, but I imagine he'll get booed substantially enough the next time out that he doesn't have to talk much anyway.

Ditch the Tarzan Boy music. Change the gear. Change the hair. Throw Anna Jay with him to remind everyone that this annoying little shit managed to get a hot girlfriend.

Plenty you can do to make him a solid midcard heel that people want to see get his ass kicked.
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I don’t have high hopes for heel Jungle Boy at all. Nothing about his performances indicate that he’d be good for this. I was skeptical if heel Dominik Mysterio too though lol. But the difference there is that I had a feeling he must be tailored for it, because Rey wouldn’t sabotage his son like that. JB turning heel feels more like they’re doing it last ditch because nothing else has worked.
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Catching up on the show now…crowd chanting “you sick fuck” as Osprey licks Omega’s blood and uses the Crippler Crossface later in the match.
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This is an amazing match. I wonder how CM Punk phils about it.
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Holy shit @ Omega’s foot on the rope after the Storm Breaker.
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I really enjoyed Ospreay v Omega. Thought it was great. I do think it should’ve ended at the screwdriver spot should’ve been the end but I loved it nonetheless.

Okada v Danielson, even with Danielson obvs injured early, was easily my match of the night. That’s my type of match. Back and forth, hard hitting, nothing over the top with spots, and a great finish that I didn’t see coming but was satisfying and stunning all the same.
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The grin on Bryan’s face haha this is too good
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Bryan dominating a much bigger Okada in the early going.
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Okada and Bryan is pretty decent. Feel like the show peaked at Omega-Osprey.
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Whoa! Surprised by the ending of Bryan-Okada. That was mental.
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Bryan was injured...didn't realize that.
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Groan @ Chicago getting yet another PPV

That said it's now the United Center so at least it's an upgrade
It is one of those weird ironic things. The EVPs were SOOOOO proud of running in Chicago because of the little plaque they got after ALL IN... but now, for some reason, they don't seem to put it over nearly as much.
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If it’s All In that’s in Chicago, it’s a mistake to move it. Full Gear could be anywhere.
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I’ve heard mixed things about the main event. But from what I’ve gathered, Punk/Kojima and Danielson/Okada get the strong votes. People also seem split on MJF/Tanahashi. It’s just not enough to get me to invest in a PPV or get behind Forbidden Door as a concept. I’d rather some AEW guys just go to New Japan and get booked a bit differently.

Give me Claudio Castagnoli taking down LIJ on his own (I want to see Claudio vs. Shingo). I wouldn’t mind CM Punk doing something with David Finlay, KENTA and some Bullet Club guys over there. I dunno, the crossover stuff as it is just doesn’t appeal.
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Eddie Kingston in the G1 works and is more what I’m talking about.

It’d be cool if Danielson challenged Ospreay for the US Title to prove he’s better than Omega.
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