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Old 03-31-2006, 03:44 AM   #121
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Old 03-31-2006, 04:16 AM   #122
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whats gay about not wanting to be around a dick head like shawn michaels..i mean look at your friends..they dont want to be around you..do u call them gay?
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Old 03-31-2006, 08:24 AM   #123
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After some thought:

Boo-hoo, "Bret had a stroke, he can barely speak...yada-yada..." Get the fuck outta here, a titantron appearance that would be a deciding factor in the Vince/HBK match is all that's needed. He doesn't need to put his 'broken body' in any more danger than that. I find myself losing more and more respect for him with his dirty-diaper ways these days.

Bret needs to GET OVER IT (as with the Thread's topic) and give his fans a well earned ending to the longest angle in wrestling; real or not. Otherwise I can care less about anymore Hitman news.
You're an idiot! Do you know anyone that has had a stroke? No i didn't think so. so shut the fuck up you fucking clueless moron.
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Old 03-31-2006, 08:45 AM   #124
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Let me just ask this: What if Shawn IS there? And Bret DOES walk out? How is his "legacy" going to look then? He leaves over a petty little thing like that and disappoints all of HIS fans? (Because, let's face it, bar Eddie, everyone is tuning in to see Bret being inducted.)

You know, people have to work with people they hate all the time (not just wrestling). If Bret can't be professional enough to show up and say goodbye to HIS fans, under those circumstances (Shawn being there), Bret is just showing that he doesn't give two shits about his fans and is a selfish piece of shit.

If he really wanted his good bye, he'd do it whether Shawn is there or not.
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Old 03-31-2006, 09:20 AM   #125
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ROFL @ the people saying Bret wasn't a draw.

Thats like saying Warrior isn't a crazy homophobe.
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Old 03-31-2006, 09:41 AM   #126
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OMFGZZZ!!!!1111!11ONEONE!! BRETT IS A SELFISH CUNT COZ HE WONT WAVE TO ME WHAAA WHAAA BRETT IS A CRY BABY WHAAA WHAAA

Have you noticed it's all non bret hart marks that are moaning because he wont be there!
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Old 03-31-2006, 09:50 AM   #127
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Let me just ask this: What if Shawn IS there? And Bret DOES walk out? How is his "legacy" going to look then? He leaves over a petty little thing like that and disappoints all of HIS fans? (Because, let's face it, bar Eddie, everyone is tuning in to see Bret being inducted.)

You know, people have to work with people they hate all the time (not just wrestling). If Bret can't be professional enough to show up and say goodbye to HIS fans, under those circumstances (Shawn being there), Bret is just showing that he doesn't give two shits about his fans and is a selfish piece of shit.

If he really wanted his good bye, he'd do it whether Shawn is there or not.
His legacy would look better if he left over Shawn being there than if he got in some sort of altercation with Shawn there, in my humble opinion.
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Old 03-31-2006, 09:51 AM   #128
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OMFGZZZ!!!!1111!11ONEONE!! BRETT IS A SELFISH CUNT COZ HE WONT WAVE TO ME WHAAA WHAAA BRETT IS A CRY BABY WHAAA WHAAA

Have you noticed it's all non bret hart marks that are moaning because he wont be there!
Hey, he didn't HAVE to agree to make the DVD. He didn't HAVE to agree to show up at the HOF. But he did, and if he breaks his mark's hearts because he's a cunt, let him, no skin off my back.
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Old 03-31-2006, 09:54 AM   #129
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His legacy would look better if he left over Shawn being there than if he got in some sort of altercation with Shawn there, in my humble opinion.
He can't ignore him?

What if Shawn's there and he says nothing to Bret? What would be Bret's excuse?

"OMG I SAW SHAWN MICHAELS A MILE AWAY FROM HERE FUCK YOU VINCE!"

And what about where all the wrestlers are staying? Is Bret staying in the same hotel as the wrestlers? And if so, what's he gonna say if he runs into Shawn there?

"OMG I SAW SHAWN ON THE ELEVATOR WHILE CHECKING IN! I DON'T CARE IF HE'S AN ACTIVE WRESTLER ON THE CARD, FUCK YOU VINCE!"
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Hey, he didn't HAVE to agree to make the DVD. He didn't HAVE to agree to show up at the HOF. But he did, and if he breaks his mark's hearts because he's a cunt, let him, no skin off my back.
So wait, he doesn't have to, but if he doesn't, he's selfish? As for the DVD, as most of us are aware, he was pretty pressured into doing that. Had he not worked on it, it would've turned out much like the Ultimate Warrior's.
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Hey, he didn't HAVE to agree to make the DVD. He didn't HAVE to agree to show up at the HOF. But he did, and if he breaks his mark's hearts because he's a cunt, let him, no skin off my back.
He's not going to break any marks hearts because he hasn't agreed to do anything anyway!!! But that's what you're all fucking forgeting isn't it! Just because he's doing HOF "DOESN'T" mean he has to show at wrestlemania!

I'm a massive hart fan and i understand fully why he doesn't want to be there! Just lke most hart marks! It's not us that's crying about it!!!
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Old 03-31-2006, 09:59 AM   #132
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So wait, he doesn't have to, but if he doesn't, he's selfish? As for the DVD, as most of us are aware, he was pretty pressured into doing that. Had he not worked on it, it would've turned out much like the Ultimate Warrior's.
I'm saying that he DID agree to show up. He didn't HAVE to, but he did. So now, after all the hype, he's going to walk out over his feud with Michaels? Sounds pretty selfish to me.

As for the DVD, again, he didn't HAVE to work on it. So what if they did an Ultimate Warrior-like DVD? After all, he doesn't seem to give a shit what anyone thinks of him, so why should he care about a DVD full of supposed lies?
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Old 03-31-2006, 10:01 AM   #133
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He can't ignore him?

What if Shawn's there and he says nothing to Bret? What would be Bret's excuse?

"OMG I SAW SHAWN MICHAELS A MILE AWAY FROM HERE FUCK YOU VINCE!"

And what about where all the wrestlers are staying? Is Bret staying in the same hotel as the wrestlers? And if so, what's he gonna say if he runs into Shawn there?

"OMG I SAW SHAWN ON THE ELEVATOR WHILE CHECKING IN! I DON'T CARE IF HE'S AN ACTIVE WRESTLER ON THE CARD, FUCK YOU VINCE!"
I don't see why Bret needs an "excuse". Considering Bret's not making any money off this, I really don't see how anyone can demand ANYTHING from the guy.

The situation between Bret and Shawn is just too volatile. Sure, could it be argued that Bret needs to "get over it"? Absolutely, BUT it's not as if he's not provoked almost every single time Shawn gets on a microphone in Canada. Mind you, if things got AT ALL physical, Shawn would completely dominate Bret, considering his weakened condition. Shawn has his back issues and other injuries from his career, but nothing that compares to Bret.
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Old 03-31-2006, 10:05 AM   #134
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i like the hyphen between "gay" and "shit"
It's to differentiate between that and the "gay shit" he does with his "uncle."
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Old 03-31-2006, 10:07 AM   #135
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I'm saying that he DID agree to show up. He didn't HAVE to, but he did. So now, after all the hype, he's going to walk out over his feud with Michaels? Sounds pretty selfish to me.

As for the DVD, again, he didn't HAVE to work on it. So what if they did an Ultimate Warrior-like DVD? After all, he doesn't seem to give a shit what anyone thinks of him, so why should he care about a DVD full of supposed lies?
I don't think the man would even consider showing up at the Hall of Fame if he "didn't give a shit what anyone thought of him".
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Old 03-31-2006, 10:12 AM   #136
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He can't ignore him?

What if Shawn's there and he says nothing to Bret? What would be Bret's excuse?
Why does he need an excuse?

Oh, right, because a HoF ceremony is "MAKE IT or BREAK IT" for Bret Hart's career.
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Old 03-31-2006, 10:15 AM   #137
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Why does he need an excuse?

Oh, right, because a HoF ceremony is "MAKE IT or BREAK IT" for Bret Hart's career.
The way a lot of people here are talking, you would think so.
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Old 03-31-2006, 10:21 AM   #138
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Tell me about it. Not to mention the dicotomy of the complaints that he owes it to the fans, but shouldn't care what people think about his DVD.
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Old 03-31-2006, 10:44 AM   #139
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I think it's the perfect ending to Bret's WWE career. Standing, in a ring, waving.

Maybe he thinks the ceremony is enough?
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I think the perfect ending to his career would be the death of Goldberg at his awesome hands. [/Hart fan]
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You're an idiot! Do you know anyone that has had a stroke? No i didn't think so. so shut the fuck up you fucking clueless moron.
I was gonna look up a bunch of shit on strokes to back up what I already knew and see if I missed something. But I don't have to, because the same energy used to make an appearance at the HoF ceremony could be used to greet and/or be apart of the Vince/HBK program. Get off Bret's dick and see that he's insulting you with his grudge and lack of action. I'm telling you this with all the respect I have for you and everyone else who feels like you do.

I say Bret's actions are gay-shit and it's supported by his lack of actions. You're condoning his disrespect for fans(you).

Assuming that I don't anyone who's had a stroke... good job. I won't get into details but long story short, you're an idiot. I will begin a Bret Sucks Thread if WM goes on without him getting involved. I like Bret Hart but I like Pro Wrestling better than Hart, HBK, and the WWE combined. And some people need to see the big picture.
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Old 03-31-2006, 11:05 AM   #142
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I was gonna look up a bunch of shit on strokes to back up what I already knew and see if I missed something. But I don't have to, because the same energy used to make an appearance at the HoF ceremony could be used to greet and/or be apart of the Vince/HBK program. Get off Bret's dick and see that he's insulting you with his grudge and lack of action. I'm telling you this with all the respect I have for you and everyone else who feels like you do.

I say Bret's actions are gay-shit and it's supported by his lack of actions. You're condoning his disrespect for fans(you).

Assuming that I don't anyone who's had a stroke... good job. I won't get into details but long story short, you're an idiot. I will begin a Bret Sucks Thread if WM goes on without him getting involved. I like Bret Hart but I like Pro Wrestling better than Hart, HBK, and the WWE combined. And some people need to see the big picture.
I'm really not seeing the disrespect. Bret still makes plenty of wrestling related appearances in plenty of places, and from what I've seen (never met him myself) is pretty damn nice to the fans.
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I'm really not seeing the disrespect. Bret still makes plenty of wrestling related appearances in plenty of places, and from what I've seen (never met him myself) is pretty damn nice to the fans.
Hey, man; go for it. Feel good about it. I ain't mad at ya. I just want you to know it's not exactly him not showing up at 'Mania, that's his choice and he's a grown-ass man; but it's the pissy reasons behind it, which does not seem like a grown man to me.

But whatever, right. It's WM time let's band together as fans of wrestling and squash this shit. I'm feeling good this morning I don't need debate on my head as I go out and do shit.

Have a good day, all.
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You're an idiot! Do you know anyone that has had a stroke? No i didn't think so. so shut the fuck up you fucking clueless moron.
I knew someone who had a stroke. He could still get up and walk around. He could actually -- get this -- stand up and wave, if need be.

And he didn't have the physical conditioning that Bret Hart had.

All I'm suggesting is that he show up, wave to his fans (who still exist) and just step back. It's not that hard to do.

Christ, if someone suggests he do something active, everybody bitches about how he has had a stroke, a million concussions, and can't do anything physical. And then if someone suggests all he has to do is just stand up and wave, then everybody bitches about how that's not good enough.

All I've suggested is that Bret Hart is being a tad bit whiney for not showing up at WM22 like all the other HOFers.

Put yourself in this position. You have a condition that limits your ability to do anything active. You have a grudge with like one person backstage (HBK) and were screwed over in the past but claim to be over it. Then Vince McMahon asks you to join the other hall-of-famers, who usually step forward when announced, wave to their adoring fans, and then step back. You are asked to do no less. And you refuse. What are people supposed to think?

And deceased inductees have somebody representing them (JYD's daughter, Big John Studd's son, et. al.), so the Eddie argument makes no sense. (And I don't get jokes. Humor escapes me.)

And I know what you're going to say. "ISN'T IT ENOUGH THAT HE'S IN THE HALL OF FAME CEREMONY AND GAVE US 20 YEARS OF HIS LIFE TO US???!?!?!?!!" And to that, I say, YES, it's enough for me. I'm not arguing that it's not enough. All that I'm saying is that it's a little weird and whiney of him to not show up at a simple announcemeny ceremony at WM22.

I'm not arguing anything more than that. Please don't blow my words out of proportion and make me out to be some ungrateful Hart-hater.
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Hey Kurt Angle sucks!!!!! He's never waved to me the fucking selfish little bastard!! Screw angle!
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See? How can anybody take you seriously when all you do is make immature comments and say idiotic things. I make a simple, calm, civil argument, and you rant and rave and cry. Do yourself a favor and turn off your computer. Quickly. While there's still time!
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See? How can anybody take you seriously when all you do is make immature comments and say idiotic things. I make a simple, calm, civil argument, and you rant and rave and cry. Do yourself a favor and turn off your computer. Quickly. While there's still time!
It wasn't aimed at you so stop getting you're panty's in a twist!

That same idiotic comment is what you are all doing saying hart is a selfish bastard because he wont come out and wave to the fans! Forget what he has done for the fans, just call him selfish (oh the irony) for not waving to you. ye:foc:
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It wasn't aimed at you so stop getting you're panty's in a twist!

That same idiotic comment is what you are all doing saying hart is a selfish bastard because he wont come out and wave to the fans! Forget what he has done for the fans, just call him selfish (oh the irony) for not waving to you. ye:foc:
You should do something about your name, dude.
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It wasn't aimed at you so stop getting you're panty's in a twist!

That same idiotic comment is what you are all doing saying hart is a selfish bastard because he wont come out and wave to the fans! Forget what he has done for the fans, just call him selfish (oh the irony) for not waving to you. ye:foc:
Are you illiterate or just plain stupid? I already told you, I'm not forgetting what he has done for the fans, his entier career. I'm a huge Bret Hart fan. I was watching his WrestleMania X match against Owen Hart the other day, in awe of the match's greatness. I'm not calling him selfish. I'm just saying that it's a little odd that he's not showing his face at WM22 along with every other hall-of-famer

That. Is. All.
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I'm just saying that it's a little odd that he's not showing his face at WM22 along with every other hall-of-famer

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Bret noted that he is nervous about the upcoming appearance. "I'll be honest. I don't mind telling you that I'm really nervous about this whole thing," he said. "I have a very serious fear of being speechless. Because of my stroke I get very choked up and it's not easy to walk out in front of a large audience that's cheering for me like that. When you have these emotional meltdowns, you can't stop them; they keep coming. You'll be talking to someone at the gift shop or while getting a coffee and someone can say the most innocent thing to you, like, 'You're going to be fine,' and all of a sudden you become this blubbering wreck of tears, and it would get to be embarrassing after a while. I worry about that. I have to make sure that during my Hall of Fame speech I don't talk too much about anything that's too emotional or else I'll fall apart."
Maybe that , and seeing as how the wwe has treated bret maybe he just doesn't want to make vince a shit load of cash for apearing there hmmm

And if you a massivge hart fan like you say you are you would understand his reasons for not wanting to be a part of wrestlemania!
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Old 03-31-2006, 12:25 PM   #153
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ROFL @ the people saying Bret wasn't a draw.

Thats like saying Warrior isn't a crazy homophobe.
I'm almost sure that, on a comparitive time scale of how long he held the belt in total, Bret Hart overall is the lowest drawing WWE Champion of all-time, with Diesel and Shawn Michaels also near him on that list.

Also, WCW's ratings took a dip around the time Bret was breaking out into the main event/World title scene in 1999.

I'm not knocking him, I enjoyed his work, but facts are facts, and although I might not have the exact figures (looking them up is too much effort, but if anybody else can be bothered, then go for it!), it is widely regarded that whenever Bret Hart was featured in a prominant position in a big time wrestling company, the ratings, buy rates and gates never set the world on fire (except for maybe in Canada, where he was legitimately a major star).


Anyway... my original point has become warped along the way. I wasn't moaning that Bret Hart wasn't going to "come out and wave" at WrestleMania. It was more the point that a lot of fans may have purchased the PPV or bought live tickets, under the impression that, as in previous years, the Hall of Fame crew would come out, and that Bret Hart would be among them.

I wasn't ragging on him because it means so much to me to see him wave his hands about and force a smile. I was disappointed in him for choosing not to show up on the PPV, therefore disappointing the many fans who had hoped to see him, maybe for the first time ever, maybe for the only time ever.

As I said before, Bret is almost a God in Canada, so I hear. How many Canadians went out of their way to make it to the show on Sunday, only to find out he won't be there?

In fact, I'd go as far as to say that the intrigue and controversy attached to any Bret Hart appearance at a WWE show makes him more of a draw in 2006 than he ever was when he was active!
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The reason WCW's ratings took a dip wasn't to do with Bret. The whole of WCW from the end of 98 onwards was complete shit. The decision's backstage to bring in Russo and stick the title on David fucking Arquette is what made the ratings dip. If you watched it you would know.

WCW didn't know what the hell to do with Bret Hart. Bret says it, Vince even says it. WCW's problems came about from bad business choices and mis-using talent.
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The reason WCW's ratings took a dip wasn't to do with Bret. The whole of WCW from the end of 98 onwards was complete shit. The decision's backstage to bring in Russo and stick the title on David fucking Arquette is what made the ratings dip. If you watched it you would know.

WCW didn't know what the hell to do with Bret Hart. Bret says it, Vince even says it. WCW's problems came about from bad business choices and mis-using talent.
Well Bret was made WCW champion in 1999, Arquette was champ in 2000 after the damage had long been done. If Hart had been a draw, then the ratings wouldn't have dipped. That stands for reason, that's the whole definition of BEING a draw.

It worked with Austin... don't forget when WWE got hot in 1998, the undercard was the pits for the most part (save DX, Rock and only a few others), and remained tht way until 1999/2000. But Austin was a draw, and people tuned in, despite the shitty booking elsewhere on the show.

If Bret was a big draw, he should have had the same effect when he was the focal point of WCW. He didn't. And his time on top in WWF was also one of the lowest drawing periods of the modern era.
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But during his WWE run, Bret was a draw. Are you basing the whole "Bret wasn't a draw" on his shitty WCW career, his WWE run, or both?
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To the douche talking about Bret drawing like shit..well diesel was the champ throughout most of 95, and HBk through most of 96...the times when the wwf were at it's worst ratings wise. Do you then give Bret credit once he gets back into the main event for the increase in ratings throughout 1997? Hmm?

Not to mention Bret was their best draw outside of the usa. Worldwide he dwardfs HBK.

But you know what? It isnt just the champ that draws crowds to shows anymore. That may have happened years ago when house shows and regional shows were how the companies earned most of their cash, without the ability to get their shows on tv, but not wrestling is everywhere. Take that into effect, things are much different.

Nobody can draw when the company has no idea what their immediate culture wants from them, and are so out of the loop. You can blame bookers and writers and guys in charge for that, not the wrestlers.
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Look, I made my opinions regarding the HoF and Bret in another thread but I want to say that it is ludicrous to say Bret wasn't/isn't a draw. If you just look at his GLOBAL drawing power alone, it makes any "Bret wasn't a draw" arguments worthless.
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