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Old 05-02-2006, 11:30 PM   #121
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Okay, I got about sixty posts into this thread (which was about forty too many) before I just gave up.

I honestly don't give a shit what it's called, as long as it's fun to play. They could call it "Giant Ball Of Elephant Shit," but if the games are enjoyable, I'll buy one. And so will millions of others.

The name "Nintendo" sells itself, no matter what they call the console itself. People bought the N64 because it was a Nintendo system. Ditto for the GameCube. It's the "Nintendo" that sells, not the product.
Contradictory?

The second part is right. The games don't sell it, the name does.
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Old 05-02-2006, 11:33 PM   #122
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Yeah, my bad. I was caught up in a fit of rage.

Also, Loopy. That is true, but only for some people. If I learned anything in marketing class, it's that brand loyalty isn't as powerful as it used to be. That is why services beyond the base product (in this case, online play and backward compatibility) are becoming more commonplace.

Besides, if you look at the sales figures for Nintendo (they're on the net somewhere ), they've declined by several million each system.
Mostly because confidence in their direction is fading.

See, it's not the name (Though the name isn't HELPING) any. It's becoming a system where you get Nintendo games, and that's about it. They keep alienating the third party market, and the games, and the gamers as a result of the third party market. They're using parlor tricks where they should be making good games and getting developer support. And for fuck's sake, knock it off substituting ports for new games!
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Old 05-02-2006, 11:36 PM   #123
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Of course, The Western World is very self concious and wont buy something that doesn't look and sound cool. I still remember hearing around 40 people in school not long after the GC was released. All of them said "I'm not buying that its pink/purple!" Don't think they knew it came in black. On top of that I doubt many casual people will want to swing a remote around thinking its the Master Sword.

Now, Japan is diffrent because there loyal to nintendo no matter what and there not as self concious as us. Over there you can walk down the street dressed as Pikachu and carrying your GC in the open (hence the handle at the back) and no one would really care as much as they would here.

Basically Nintendo probably think about how to market there stuff to Japan before even considering us.
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Old 05-02-2006, 11:45 PM   #124
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Actually, the japanese are very self conscious, there's just different social standards.

You know, like the French are hygenic, but they think smelling like shit is a good thing. A ho ho ho...
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Old 05-03-2006, 01:56 AM   #125
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Old 05-03-2006, 08:48 AM   #126
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I really do hope this system tanks, because I'd like to see Nintendo spend less time with gimmicks and more making good games.
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Never noticed the Nintendo gimmicks until now, actually.
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Contradictory?

The second part is right. The games don't sell it, the name does.
Nah. The first part was personal preference, the second was in a broader economic sense. First part micro, second part macro.
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Old 05-03-2006, 06:01 PM   #130
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So by "millions of others," you meant yourself.
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Yes, KK. That's exactly what I meant.
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Well, it's what you're claiming now...
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I'm claiming two things.

1) I will buy it if the games are good, regardless of what it's called.
2) Others will buy it simply because it's a Nintendo product, regardless of what it's called.

Now, does the name have an effect on the system-buying choices of others? Yeah, probably. But I personally honestly don't care as long as it's fun.

That's what I'm saying, and that's what I said earlier. Notice how the two statements that you took aside as "contradictory" appeared in two separate paragraphs, indicating two distinct coherent thoughts.
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About the third party things though, it's already getting lots of support from third parties. Way more than the Gamecube had.
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I'm claiming two things.

1) I will buy it if the games are good, regardless of what it's called.
2) Others will buy it simply because it's a Nintendo product, regardless of what it's called.

Now, does the name have an effect on the system-buying choices of others? Yeah, probably. But I personally honestly don't care as long as it's fun.

That's what I'm saying, and that's what I said earlier. Notice how the two statements that you took aside as "contradictory" appeared in two separate paragraphs, indicating two distinct coherent thoughts.
Did you notice that and conjunction at the end of the first statement?

I didn't edit that in there, nor did it come from the separate argument you're talking about.
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About the third party things though, it's already getting lots of support from third parties. Way more than the Gamecube had.
4 is way more.

Seriously.
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Further, there's an issue of quality. For example, they've turned off the makers of the Rogue Squadron Series, who are now developing for PS3. RL was easily one of the GREATEST games on the GCN...
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Did you notice that and conjunction at the end of the first statement?

I didn't edit that in there, nor did it come from the separate argument you're talking about.
Don't argue semantics with me. The "and" was meant as a transition into the next paragraph. "I will buy one. And so will millions of others." In the next paragraph, I explained why the millions of others would.
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4 is way more.

Seriously.
When I say "way more", I'm talking about Capcom, Konami, Ubisoft, THQ, EA, hell, even Square announced a game for the Wii.

I'm not even going to count the small publishers like Midway, Atlus, Natsume and all the others.
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Yeah, but the real issue is how much support

Hell, even most of those guys announced suppor for GCN.

What happened? Several offered limited support.

Several yanked support entirely.

Man, if only pledged support meant something, the four new guys would probably make a diff.
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Oh, and Loopy, I'm not arguing semantics. I'm arguing exactly what you said word for word because you made that statement, and somehow forgot what you wrote in the process of quoting me, because when I asked you about a specific part, you were unable to comment and acted as though it was still totally unrelated to the first part of your statement when it was part of the first part of your statement.

Which spawned the apparent contradiction in the first place.

But instead of addressing it, you could pretend you never said it, or that it was part of the second phrase, or I'm whining about semantics...
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I cant wait for the Wii, this thing looks fantastic. It looks loads of fun and it's something the little woman and I can play together (which is also fantastic.) They are really going to have the female market cinched on this (just like in the hand-held department.) And when you consider that women control what a large percent of what the men have, this is going to make a serious impact.
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I am sitting here watching stuff on the Wii and I cant stop being excited. This thing is going to be insane.
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E3 2006: It's a Wrap
Matt sums up the show, links to the biggest stories and gives you his picks for Best of E3. Is Nintendo the big winner?
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May 12, 2006 - The bell sounded throughout the Los Angeles Convention Center at 4:00 p.m. on Friday, signaling the end of the Electronics Entertainment Expo 2006. Perhaps we imagined it, but it almost seemed that we could hear the simultaneous relief sighs of videogame journalists and pained sobs of fanboys still waiting in line for the chance to go hands-on with Super Mario Galaxy for Nintendo Wii.

This year's show was one of the best. Not only did we witness the unveilings of two new systems in Wii and Sony PlayStation 3, but also Microsoft stepped up with second-generation software for its Xbox 360 console. As a result, there were some great new pieces of hardware and yet nearly all of it took a backseat to the innovative games on the floor, which were in bulk regardless of whose booth you visited.

We went into E3 2006 unconvinced of the Wii name or the machine's potential and walked away from the Convention Center knowing for certain that Nintendo has another hit on its hands. Wii is everything we were hoping it might be, as evidenced by spectacular games such as Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3 and Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. The Big N's new platform may lack the graphic horsepower of competitor PlayStation 3, but its innovative controller stole the show right out from underneath Sony's collective feet.

Warhawk looked fabulous. Heavenly Sword superb. But neither game packed Sony's booth. On the other hand, Nintendo's space was filled to the spilling point from the very moment the E3 doors opened until they closed again. On the second day of the exhibition, representatives for the Convention Center announced that the line to see Nintendo's Wii console, which zigzagged around corners and promised a wait time of more than four hours, had broken every E3 record.

The Big N seemed to have come to E3 2006 with a few goals in mind. First, to show why Wii was different from its competitors and yet still accomplished. Second, to educate gamers on the controller and a new way to play. And third, to have fun. This last point was something that could almost be felt from the moment the Big N kicked off its media briefing event, in which Shigeru Miyamoto took the stage and conducted a virtual symphony using the Wii-mote, and Iwata and Reggie casually squared off in a couple games of Wii Sports Tennis. Click here to see it all in action.

Even our interviews with the company's top executives seemed to move at a slower, carefree pace. Nintendo seemed for once legitimately unconcerned with what its competitors were doing and unflinchingly convinced of its own pursuits. This attitude is perhaps best illustrated by the nonchalant chat we had NOA's VP of corporate affairs, Perrin Kaplan, which took place (literally) on the E3 show floor. That's right, click this link to see it..

Nintendo hasn't always blown us away at E3. There have been some years we'd like to forget and we'd be willing to bet that folks from the Big N itself would agree with our sentiments. But as far as success stories go, E3 2006 belonged to the company. It had the hardware, the games, and the attitude, and we aren't merely stating so because we're the Nintendo editors. Just click on our Day 3 show wrap and you'll see that nearly every IGN editor queried is in agreement that the Big N took this year's event.

Really, how could it not? The Wii-mote performed exactly as Nintendo promised, opening up a new avenue for simpler, more intuitive games. Wii Sports Baseball was both graphically primitive and mechanically basic. And yet, the process of swinging a virtual bat with the Wii-mote was undeniably fun and entertaining in a manner completely impossible with a traditional controller. In a matter of minutes, using Nintendo's new pointer seemed almost second nature, as a round or two with its astonishing new platformer, Super Mario Galaxy, easily demonstrated. The company's revolutionary remote and by association the Wii console earned my pick for hardware of the show, besting Sony's far more powerful, but relatively uneventful PlayStation 3.

Meanwhile, despite heavy competition from such Xbox 360 games as Bioshock, Mass Effect, Gears of War and Assassin's Creed, Super Mario Galaxy's spot-on control and superb level designs earned it my pick for Game of the Show. By the way, it looks pretty damned good, too. If I had to pick a runner-up, it'd go to Bioshock, whose unbelievable concept and oozing atmosphere set it a notch above most everything else.

Other honorable mentions include Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. The Wii-mote control definitely improved the franchise's experience and even the short demo featured some satisfying surprises, like a sweet fight with Ridley as Aran plummeted down an abyss, but the lack of a quick 180-turn solution proved a bit problematic. I've got my fingers crossed that developer Retro Studios will work this out. If not, Corruption will still be amazing. But if the 180-turn makes it in, too, then the game could really set a new first-person control bar for home consoles.

Wii Sports Tennis isn't exactly a graphical showcase, but it is a gameplay one; the title's simplified controls just worked and proved to be a lot of fun. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess may end up being the best game of the year. However, E3 is not a good venue for the title as it is an adventure than runs much deeper than the time permits on the show floor. Excite Truck captured the hearts of several IGN editors, many of whom initially thought it was going to be clumsy or stupid. And finally, games like WarioWare: Smooth Moves, Elebits, Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz, Sonic Wild Fire and more were a lot of fun. Guess what, haters? I happened to like Madden's controls, too - EA really put some time into this new game of football and it shows.

E3 2006 officially kicked off on Wednesday and ended on Friday, which seems from the outside looking in to be fairly short. However, for the Nintendo team at IGN, which included Dan Iverson, JKR, Mark Bozon and I, preparing for the event actually began much earlier. For instance, I played five or six Wii games including Metroid and Zelda on the Sunday prior to E3 and had to prep write-ups for the event. I haven't bothered to check over how many stories hit our Wii channel during the three-day show, but I can tell you that it's well into the hundreds. So while I'm thrilled with Wii and its games, I'm also overjoyed that the show is over.

Wii was not only the hit of E3 - it was the big hit with IGN's readership, too. IGN Wii consistently had the biggest traffic during the event, undoubtedly thanks to whopping revelations like the Super Smash Bros. Brawl trailer, which shouldn't be missed! It was and is amazing. A couple million - yes, million - unique readers tuned into IGN Wii in as many days to check out our updates and download media. It's normally during our E3 wrap-ups that I take the time to link our biggest stories - and I have in fact included a couple links in my write-up - but this year, I'm going to instead send viewers to our official E3 page. You'll be able to find every story and every piece of media we posted on a single page, which makes the process incredibly convenient. Simply follow the link below and you'll be set.

Wii is already pouring out the numbers...
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Yeah before this E3 I wasn't even considering Wii and was thinking I'd get the PS3 but I have to say I'm "Wii all the Way" now.
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I cant buy it without hating myself for going to the counter and asking for wii
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Then don't say "Wii" , just ask for "the new nintendo console" or "the Revoloution". I'm sure they will know exactly what you mean.
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Maybe they'll include Streets of Rage. Imagine seeing Roo jump up and down on your Wii.
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Just saw it for the first time today and that 2 remote controller shit looks fucking stupid. PS3 should blow it out of the water.
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Just saw it for the first time today and that 2 remote controller shit looks fucking stupid. PS3 should blow it out of the water.
Nintendo are experts at making devices that look stupid, but when did making cool looking stuff become an objective? The 360's ugly; GRAW on 360 is not.

Did you see how Madden 07's gonna play on Wii? Fuckin-A. And I don't like Madden. Wii's gonna run shit, and everyboy's gonna play it. I'm one of those hardcore gamers, but I honestly miss those days when an entire family sat down to play Duck Hunt because there wasn't nothing like it anywhere outside an arcade. And that was just shooting ducks. Games today don't gather people of a wide spectrum together like that anymore, but Wii's gonna bring that tone back.

In honesty, XBox Live Arcade kicked that off in a sense, but Wii's taking that into a deep company directed focus. And guys like me still have Smash Bros. Brawl, Metroid Prime 3, Madden, Zelda, Resident Evil, and others to get busy on. But I'm glad I'm not buying another system that only gonna be used by me and my age group. In a sense, the Wii is will be more a family appliance than the PS3 and 360 are claiming to be.

I'm sorry if it looks stupid, I'll take it into consideration when I'm playing Smash Bros. Brawl over WiFi with Drakul.
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