lol Edge is the man

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Yup. In your fantasy world.

You lose. Check out the thread I told you to, evidence is in there.

Originally Posted by Kane Knight You got me. I had no idea that "fake" could have negative implications. GEe, no wonder Edge got so defensive and pitched a hissyfit (Hey, it's a fair assumption, all things considered. I mean, it's a bad, dirty, foul word!)

Are you being sarcastic. I couldn't tell, because if you were, you just made my argument for me. If fake = negative, then Edge had a right to take offence. He was a fucking guest on their show, promoting the WWE. I'm not the first person to defend the WWE, I'd love to see someone knock them on their ass, nor am I a big supporter of formula, but you just don't invite someone onto your show to do promotional work, then pay the shit out of their occupation.

If you weren't being sarcastic, you just proved yourself to be an idiot.

You lose this one, buddy. I respect your opinion in a lot of other discussions, because I do think you're a pretty smart guy at times, but you're just arguing here to argue, and you're just beating a dead horse. I've been guilty of that, so I'm just going to end this now, out of consideration for you.

Back on topic: Edge is, in fact, the man.

[M-A-G]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 Which is what he did.

No, he made his little pathetic plea for understanding under the guise of talking about Iraq. So, no, Edge is not the man.

[addy2hotty]

It's amusing to see how things spiral out of control in the midst of an argument not really related to the subject matter.

For example, an ignorant newsreader who probably hasn't ever watched a moment of pro-wrestling/sports entertainment in her life, working from notes probably made for her by someone else who lives in a small office probably due to the fact that they have a face for radio, hence why they do the research, says the word 'fake' in reference to a scripted/planned out show.

After less than a week on TPWW, she's been turned into the one woman whose lifes work it is to bring down the whole pro-wrestling industry, starting with the afforementioned segment which was called 'Calling You Out Edge, Bitch'.

[Skippord]

addy almost has 1000 posts

[Jeritron]

Originally Posted by addy2hotty It's amusing to see how things spiral out of control in the midst of an argument not really related to the subject matter.... ....For example, an ignorant newsreader who probably hasn't ever watched a moment of pro-wrestling/sports entertainment in her life....

Well thats basically the problem we're stating. And when did anyone accuse her of trying to bring things down. You're exaggerating, my fellow Jerichoholic.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Afterlife So, the fact that you contradicted yourself not once, but twice, is not only funny to you, but is somehow degrading to me? I don't follow. Actually, I was pointing out your cop out, homie.

It's not a contradiction; it's sarcasm.

But I forgot. You never let the facts get in the way of an argument. You had to make up the meaning behind my Klan statements for that one, now you're doing it here.

Oh, and I didn't cop out; I have over 95 K posts here. Sorry I don't remember them all, and when called one a statement I don't recall making, all the little bitches cry foul rather than actually prove it.

God, if you dumb cunts are so sure I made it, find it. I didn't deny it; and I'm still not. All you need to do to show me the errors of my way is find the statement. It'll be even easier for you, Afterlife, as you seem able to lie and instill meanings that aren't there.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 You lose. Check out the thread I told you to, evidence is in there. Are you being sarcastic. I couldn't tell, because if you were, you just made my argument for me. If fake = negative, then Edge had a right to take offence. He was a fucking guest on their show, promoting the WWE. I'm not the first person to defend the WWE, I'd love to see someone knock them on their ass, nor am I a big supporter of formula, but you just don't invite someone onto your show to do promotional work, then pay the shit out of their occupation. If you weren't being sarcastic, you just proved yourself to be an idiot. You lose this one, buddy. I respect your opinion in a lot of other discussions, because I do think you're a pretty smart guy at times, but you're just arguing here to argue, and you're just beating a dead horse. I've been guilty of that, so I'm just going to end this now, out of consideration for you. Back on topic: Edge is, in fact, the man.

Actually, I didn't make your argument.

You only choose to interpret my words in a single, linear fashion which best suits your argument, ignoring the actual side effect therin.

I was merely extending your "brilliant" conclusion, and mocking it as such. You're failing to make your point, as it hinges on the notion that Edge was being defensive, and if he was defensive, then really, he was not the man, but a whiny little bitch trying to snap back in front of an audience who thinks wrestling is fake.

Oh yeah. You so won that one.

Please, don't be stupid. And I don't mean that in a backhanded "I just called you intelligent so it's okay" fashion.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by addy2hotty For example, an ignorant newsreader who probably hasn't ever watched a moment of pro-wrestling/sports entertainment in her life[...]says the word 'fake' in reference to a scripted/planned out show.

Probably because she doesn't know how ridiculously oversensitive internet fans are. I bet if she knew that she'd hurt that demographic's feelings...

No, wait. She'd probably still say fake. Why should she have said otherwise? It's true. Hell, even if you want to go Alienoid's way, and insist that it can only mean negative things, ummm...What difference would that make?

Wrestling's considered a passtime of inbred morons. Nobody has any reason to not dismiss the fans, the business, the people involved. Is anyone really going to care if Edge or smarks were offended? Do you think the interviewer changed her mind in the slightest? Do you think a guy named "Edge" will be taken seriously by anyone who isn't already whining that "FAKE IS BAD AND WWE NOT BAD!" about it, as in the people already watching?

Do you think, to the rest of the world, there's any difference in their mind between "fake" and "scripted?"

An objective view of wrestling will probably call it "fake." Funny that.

[Jeritron]

Kane Knight, I do agree with you about the perception of wrestling and its nature in the eyes of that lady and people like her (most non-fans who haven't seen what proves otherwise). All I disagree with is that Edge looked like an idiot, or that he shouldn't have reacted the way he did.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Actually, I didn't make your argument. You only choose to interpret my words in a single, linear fashion which best suits your argument, ignoring the actual side effect therin.

Blah, blah, blah. You don't have an argument, so you just sit there trying to be Jon Stewart. I decided to interpret your words as they came off. To me it sounded like you were being an arrogant jackass, hence, at least from my perspective, all you are is an arrogant jackass.

Originally Posted by Kane Knight I was merely extending your "brilliant" conclusion, and mocking it as such. You're failing to make your point, as it hinges on the notion that Edge was being defensive, and if he was defensive, then really, he was not the man, but a whiny little bitch trying to snap back in front of an audience who thinks wrestling is fake.

Your "endless" "wit" constantly puts "me" in my "place". All you do is "make" "sarcastic" asides, and expect "that" to make your "argument" for you. Guess what, narcissism and self-righteousness doesn't count as an argument.

Edge threw in a witty comment in an answer to a question he was asked by a condescending reporter. Hell, you're probably jealous that you didn't make it. Fuck knows I haven't see you do any better.

[Kane Knight]

What did it accomplish? What positive element came from it?

Explain it to me, I'm still missing it. Did Edge "need" to defend himself? If so, wasn't there a better, smarter way?

I mean, sure, Edge can go back to shi small pond and whatever, but do you think that if Alienoid's "people who think there are no injuries in wrestling" exist, they suddenly went "wow, then it must be real because this guy said so, even though I've doubted everyone else?"

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 Blah, blah, blah. You don't have an argument, so you just sit there trying to be Jon Stewart.

HAHA! The irony, you stupid little douche!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Probably because she doesn't know how ridiculously oversensitive internet fans are. I bet if she knew that she'd hurt that demographic's feelings... No, wait. She'd probably still say fake. Why should she have said otherwise? It's true. Hell, even if you want to go Alienoid's way, and insist that it can only mean negative things, ummm...What difference would that make? Wrestling's considered a passtime of inbred morons. Nobody has any reason to not dismiss the fans, the business, the people involved. Is anyone really going to care if Edge or smarks were offended? Do you think the interviewer changed her mind in the slightest? Do you think a guy named "Edge" will be taken seriously by anyone who isn't already whining that "FAKE IS BAD AND WWE NOT BAD!" about it, as in the people already watching? Do you think, to the rest of the world, there's any difference in their mind between "fake" and "scripted?" An objective view of wrestling will probably call it "fake." Funny that.

I have never in my life seen someone invited on a show to shamelessly promote something, and then get bashed by the interviewer in the process of said promotion.

People just respect Edge for his quick-thinking and "fuck, what do you know?" attitude. Good on him. You're the one that's taken this whole "No one cares what Edge did!!!!!" retarded approach.

We care (kinda, I haven't really thought about it outside this topic), and that's what this topic is about. We're not trying to change the perspectives of professional wrestling, but you just don't make comments like that when you invite someone to do promotional work on your show.

[Kane Knight]

BAsically, you talk about how I come off, which seems to be something only you and Afterlife see. Everyone else seems to get it, even when they don't necessarily agree with me on it. My argument's been put up several times; you just choose to disregard it and claimvictory, saying I've made your point. Sorry, But following your reasoning, Edge is a defensive little bitch.

But then, so are you.

Yes, by the way, Edge was witty. If you're in preschool.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 I have never in my life seen someone invited on a show to shamelessly promote something, and then get bashed by the interviewer in the process of said promotion.

And you question my grasp of the world.

Sorry, you're an idiot.

Didn't read the rest. you might've said something insightful, but I doubt it. You lose credibility the minute you talked about being bashed. She treated him and Benjamin with total respect before that moment, and total respect afterwards. I even linked to the transcript. Why should I believe this was intended as you assert, despite her own words and actions?

Oh, right. Bullshit argument 101: Never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

Keep asserting it. It's still bullshit, and you don't have an argument.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Oh, right. Bullshit argument 101: Never let the facts get in the way of a good argument. Keep asserting it. It's still bullshit, and you don't have an argument.

HAHA! The irony, you stupid little douche.

Sound familiar?

Dude, you ain't as smart as you think you are. There are like five people I'll talk to tomorrow that think they're a champion debater, just because they use big words, and have a blind confidence in themselves, and make think that the system isn't pulling their strings.

You keep rolling off this shit about a transcript, and saying we interpretted it wrong, and that the woman was respectful. Who the fuck lets you decide? Edge was there, in that room, and he reacted the way he felt appropriate. You can pick him apart for that all you like, but his interpretation to the situation would be much more accurate than your's. You don't offend your guests when you're interviewing them. Hostility does not lead to good constructive promotion, which is what the WWE was after.

Now you'll just blabber on about how you'd have been smarter, that everyone but you is ignoring the facts, and that I live in a fantasy world, and that you dictate the course of this argument. Accomplish something, and you may actually have a right to an ego.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight BAsically, you talk about how I come off, which seems to be something only you and Afterlife see. Everyone else seems to get it, even when they don't necessarily agree with me on it. My argument's been put up several times; you just choose to disregard it and claimvictory, saying I've made your point. Sorry, But following your reasoning, Edge is a defensive little bitch. But then, so are you. Yes, by the way, Edge was witty. If you're in preschool.

You're argument is this, yes:

"Edge isn't the man, because his statement was pointless."? Is that it? Seriously, most of the shit you say is pointless. Most of the shit I say is pointless. Pot, meet kettle. Edge didn't intend on turning the world upside down, he just tried to defend his profession a little bit, because it isn't all "smoke and mirrors". People do refuse to believe that there is any risk in profession wrestling, as much as you'd like to ignore it (but hey, never let bullshit get in the way of an argument right), and Edge just decided to make a comment that people in the industry would get, maybe get a few pat on the backs for.

Edge is the man because he stood up for himself, and his profession. It wasn't a debate on whether wrestling is real, but rather just a "umm, yeah, you don't know what you're talking about, moving along" remark.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight What did it accomplish? What positive element came from it? Explain it to me, I'm still missing it. Did Edge "need" to defend himself? If so, wasn't there a better, smarter way? I mean, sure, Edge can go back to shi small pond and whatever, but do you think that if Alienoid's "people who think there are no injuries in wrestling" exist, they suddenly went "wow, then it must be real because this guy said so, even though I've doubted everyone else?"

Again, you're arguing to a phantom brick wall. No one in this thread (well, I know I certainly didn't) claim Edge made huge strides for the wrestling industry in his comment. He just stood up for himself. There was a reason to do it, because the comments made by the interviewer were completely inappropriate.

Even if you do classify wrestling as fake, there is no reason for her to make it anyway. Or whoever was pulling her strings to write it for her. It was just meaningless on her part. Edge answered her question, but did it with a little "oomph".

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by M-A-G No, he made his little pathetic plea for understanding under the guise of talking about Iraq. So, no, Edge is not the man.

He answered her question. She asked what he thought about going, and Edge said it was his first time, and then he explained why, likely because it played off her condescending statements earlier.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Yes, by the way, Edge was witty. If you're in preschool.

Watch out, Conan.

I saw the segment... when she said that I knew Edge was going to comeback with something. He said it in an agitated, yet suddle way. He did not wrong. If he would have kept going and straying away from the topic, then it would have been a problem.

[M-A-G]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 He answered her question. She asked what he thought about going, and Edge said it was his first time, and then he explained why, likely because it played off her condescending statements earlier.

OMFG! What is so condescending about calling wrestling 'fake'? Seriously?

[M-A-G]

For the record, taking an innocent, and true, comment personally and trying to look bigger by 'educating' the 'offending' party = not the man.

[Afterlife]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight What did it accomplish? What positive element came from it? Explain it to me, I'm still missing it. Did Edge "need" to defend himself? If so, wasn't there a better, smarter way?

O.k... The self-implosive problem today, is that you seem to be making a huge deal out of the misconception that this has to be a huge deal.

Let's use an analogy, since they work so well with you.

I made mention that you like to argue over nothing at every chance you get. You neg repped me for said action. Did that accomplish any great, monumental feat? Did it make you look like a big man? Did it, in fact, make you better or smarter? No. But I'm sure it made you feel a little "Shut the fuck up" satisfaction.

It doesn't have to be a world-changing epic everytime a wrestler says or does something, Honcho. She slighted the biz, and he snapped back. That is, for all intents and purposes, all there is to it.

[Afterlife]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight It's not a contradiction; it's sarcasm. But I forgot. You never let the facts get in the way of an argument. You had to make up the meaning behind my Klan statements for that one, now you're doing it here. Oh, and I didn't cop out; I have over 95 K posts here. Sorry I don't remember them all, and when called one a statement I don't recall making, all the little bitches cry foul rather than actually prove it. God, if you dumb cunts are so sure I made it, find it. I didn't deny it; and I'm still not. All you need to do to show me the errors of my way is find the statement. It'll be even easier for you, Afterlife, as you seem able to lie and instill meanings that aren't there.

To be perfectly frank, I never forced any meaning behind your Klan comment. As I stated about thirty times, it was just a lousy metaphor.

[addy2hotty]

On a recent "Tonight Show with Jay Leno", Jay mentioned Kevin Federline's upcoming appearance on WWE TV on January 1. Jay added quote, "Did you hear that 'K-Fed' Kevin Federline is actually going to wrestle the current WWE Champion on an upcoming pay per view special? (audience laughs) Yeah apparently K-Fed is going to quit fake rapping and start fake fighting."

- PWInsider

Edge vs Jay Leno, Wrestlemania, Ford Field. For all the marbles.

[Blitz]

I remember those comments HHH made about Angle. Pretty sure there's a topic on here somewhere about it.

Look, the bottom line is the interviewer disparaged Edge's profession, a profession that has taken it's toll on him. She probably didn't mean to, but she did. It was a thoughtless comment. Edge responded. He didn't go nuts and start yelling at her or anything like that, he merely inferred that the business wasn't as fake as she thinks. Dunno how you can say that he wasn't in the right here.

[M-A-G]

*sigh* I want to say something but you know what? I just don't have the energy anymore. Continue with the hero worship and continue with the impression that this woman made fun of wrestling. Yes, fine, Edge is the man. Whatever. Let's move on.

[RVDmark]

Originally Posted by addy2hotty On a recent "Tonight Show with Jay Leno", Jay mentioned Kevin Federline's upcoming appearance on WWE TV on January 1. Jay added quote, "Did you hear that 'K-Fed' Kevin Federline is actually going to wrestle the current WWE Champion on an upcoming pay per view special? (audience laughs) Yeah apparently K-Fed is going to quit fake rapping and start fake fighting." - PWInsider Edge vs Jay Leno, Wrestlemania, Ford Field. For all the marbles.

Fake fighting > Fake Rapping

I haven't seen the video so I may later change my opinion but so far I believe Edge was right in what he did. IF he wandered into work at 9 in the morning and went home at 5, then it would have been over-reacting. Its his whole profession he is defending its not a job, it's a lifestyle.

He had to say something to her, I'm sure there are people in the locker-room would've been pissed if he hadn't. Whether he said the right thing or not I can't say but he only had a few seconds to come up with a reply.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by M-A-G OMFG! What is so condescending about calling wrestling 'fake'? Seriously?

Do you think wrestlers call it "fake"? Edge obviously took offence to it. You don't offend your guests like that. It's unprofessional, and if you say something to offend someone like that, you are being ignorant and condescending.

There was no need for her to make that comment. It's probably not her fault, I assume the line was fed to her, but the whole concept behind saying "What you do is bullshit and not worth our time" was just plain silly of them.

[Jeritron]

Look, she wasn't intentionally being ignorant. But thats the whole point, ignorance comes from not knowing, so she offended him and what he did on a personal level, whether you agree with it or not she clearly offended him.
So he said something about it. Nothing over the top, nothing thats gonna make the top of the news as an embarassing flip out, just a sly retort. He said what he felt he should in a calm manner and she noted it. She even said "I hope that broken neck is feeling better." Which was her apologizing for it without drawing too much attention.

[Vastardikai]

*Reads the thread after page 2, and thinks deeply. He then clears his throat and applies some throat spray.*

I Don't Fucking Care Anymore!

*Leaves the thread, thoroughly satisfied.*

[Afterlife]

Originally Posted by jeritron5000 Look, she wasn't intentionally being ignorant. But thats the whole point, ignorance comes from not knowing, so she offended him and what he did on a personal level, whether you agree with it or not she clearly offended him. So he said something about it. Nothing over the top, nothing thats gonna make the top of the news as an embarassing flip out, just a sly retort. He said what he felt he should in a calm manner and she noted it. She even said "I hope that broken neck is feeling better." Which was her apologizing for it without drawing too much attention.

I say! Is this the input from an actual witness of said event? Perhaps if everyone saw it, their respective opinions would be considered equally valid.

[M-A-G]

So if Kevin Federline made a remark against Jay Leno for making fun of his profession would that make him the man, too?

[Ninti the Mad]

I say we go back to the original point of this thread.

That Edge is the man.

[Jeritron]

Edge is the man regardless of this incident. And since this incident doesn't neccesarily enhance or diminish that much either way, Edge remains the man.

[Afterlife]

Well, technically, Edge has been kind of a douche since the whole "I'm gonna pork my best friend's woman while he's out on sick leave and hope the ol' ball-and-chain don't find out" thing.


Technically.

[Jeritron]

Yes but it's hard to judge him on that, as a wrestler and part of the business. Who knows what goes on involving relationships, sex, and extra-marital affairs and what not backstage...I respect Edge as a wrestler, a true fan of the business and a hardworker who has had a diverse career and worked his way up the ladder. Something not most who make it in the WWE do.

[Afterlife]

Yeah. But I can tell you, first hand, that, although while drunk, it's a perfectly good idea to bang your friend's woman, once you sober up, you don't keep doing it. In fact, it makes you feel like kind of a douche.

But, whatever. He's got more money than me, so I guess he wins this round. (angry fist)

[McLegend]

STFU it was probably a work, and then add that Matt Hardy was released, and Edge actually got a title reign becasue of that whole thing makes Edge even more of the man.

Still it was more then likely a work.