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Old 02-18-2007, 06:35 PM   #121
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Can't see him slipping to the second round

Calvin Johnson is the best player in the draft too, so I dunno. He should go #1 but he won't
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Old 02-19-2007, 12:49 AM   #122
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Calvin Johnson is considered the best on potential. College performance wise, I put him under Jarrett and Samardja. But he projects to be a beat cause of his size and speed. I think he is over rated, just another Potential Pick that may not pan out.
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I dunno man, he is a fucking beast, has a good head on his shoulders, like a 45 inch vert, is 6'6, and can catch anything....would have put up monster numbers if the QB he played with in college wasn't fucking awful

Give Johnson Leinart or Quinn he is putting up Heisman numbers

Samardja would do dick in the NFL..he is too slow, NFL CBs would put lock him down I think, that's why he is pitching now
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I dunno if you can really call 76 catches 1200 yds and 15 TDs good potential. I'd say he's the best period regardless of how much Reggie Ball sucks.

I'm done trying to predict good WR prospects though. Like the only big time college WRs from the last 5 years that are really good in the NFL are Fitzgerald and Roy Williams.
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Old 02-19-2007, 04:23 PM   #125
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I mean check this out. The best NFL WRs have been picked after a bunch of other busts or projects and weren't really big time in college

2006 - Marques Colston 7th round
2005 - pretty worthless WR class so far even though there were 6 WRs picked in the 1st round
2004 - this one actually had guys picked high who played well because Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, and Lee Evans have all been pretty good
2003 - still the greatest video game commercial "I'm Charles Rogers. I had 68 catches and 13 touchdowns" but man did he end up sucking. Andre Johnson is a beast though and Anquan Boldin was like the 6th WR taken
2002 - Stallworth and Lelie have both been decent but not 1st round decent. Javon Walker and Deion Branch have been alright but Branch was the 11th WR drafted
2001- This class ended up having a ton of great pros but they all got picked after a bunch of busts. David Terrell, Koren Robinson, Rod Gardner, and Freddie Mitchell all got drafted before Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, and Steve Smith. Also 26 WRs got drafted before TJ Houshmandzadeh


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is this year the best WR class though? the top 3 guys Jarrett, Ginn, and Johnson would all be the #1 WR prospect in any of the years Supreme posted. Like last year the top prospect was Santonio Holmes and the year before that, Braylon Edwards. I don't remember 3 WR as highly regarded as these 3.
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Edwards was highly reguarded coming out of college though

I think Johnson is the only "can't miss" wideout...Ginn and Jarrett could end up being busts

Pretty sure Chad Jackson was like the 3rd or 4th wideout taken in last years draft and he was pretty awful for the Patriots this past season.
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Old 02-19-2007, 05:28 PM   #128
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Calvin Johnson is probably up there with Fitzgerald in terms of big time can't miss WR's without any real character issues or flaws in his game. But this class could end up being like 2005 with Edwards, Troy Williamson, and Mike Williams.

I really don't think Ginn is gonna be that special. He's too small and not that physical. Still if he runs a sub 4.3 40 I'm sure someone will throw a ton of money at him to at least be a decent return guy.

I bet Sidney Rice will be a pretty good WR in the pros.
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Ginn is the type of player that is crazy fast and that will get you by in college. When you carry that over into the pros, it doesn't weigh out as much.
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Ginn is the type of player that is crazy fast and that will get you by in college. When you carry that over into the pros, it doesn't weigh out as much.
Your right, but there is exceptions like Devin Hester from chicago. If they have Ginn running back kicks I think we could be hearing a lot about him next year.
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Your right, but there is exceptions like Devin Hester from chicago. If they have Ginn running back kicks I think we could be hearing a lot about him next year.
Ginn is going to have a lot of expectations to be like just Hester when he hits the NFL scene though. He already didn't live up to his expectations at Ohio State either, so odds are kinda againest him
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Ginn is going to have a lot of expectations to be like just Hester when he hits the NFL scene though. He already didn't live up to his expectations at Ohio State either, so odds are kinda againest him
Yea He definatly is going to work harder than he has ever before to be successful at that next level. Its just that someone who is that athletic is hard to keep from makeing at least a couple big plays throughout the entire nfl season. I personally dont think he'll be the next big thing or anything like that, but its probably a real safe bet that he'll make it on espn's highlight reels more than once next year.
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Your right, but there is exceptions like Devin Hester from chicago. If they have Ginn running back kicks I think we could be hearing a lot about him next year.
To my knowledge Devin Hester didn't really play much D for Chicago. Ginn is fast like Hester is, but Ginn probably won't play much WR at all in the NFL. These guys have raw talent, and having raw talent can get you by in college. Big time schools in college, while they do play similar caliber teams year to year, play a lot of cupcake teams too. When you get to the NFL, even though there are the good and bad teams, the parity is a lot greater. The raw talent needs to be accompanied with some football skill in order for these guys to be utilized as all around players.
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Oh definatly.. I just used Hester as an example because he wasnt a talent guy and he got a lot of attention because he had six or seven kick/punt returns this past season, and I think ginn could do the same.
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Vick and Fitzgerald would be more deadly then any QB/WR combo in the NFL. Last years Pro Bowl. Vick threw it up like 50 yards and it was just up there. Fitz got up and grabbed it. But anyways. Bobby Petrino is gonna try to get a OL or DL in the first round. To me that is a super super waste when you can get Dwayne Jarret or even trade it and get a good WR. THE FALCONS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IN THIS OFFSEASON SHOULD BE A WR. WE DONT GET A WR WE WILL GO 5-11. I PROMISE THAT. And as for the Lions. If they get Quinn I hope he doesn't get buried there..
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why would a bad quarterback and a great WR be better than a HOF quarterback and a HOF WR? because they had one connection?
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I might have been exagerating but I think they would be a decent duo.
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This is a great thing for New England btw. Dillon and his truck load of oxygen tanks off the books and Marhoney moves up to the starting position.
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Vick been with the Falcons for what, 7 years now? And theres still a question about his ability to play the QB position? Thats not good. I think the Falcons should trade Vick for a high draft pick. Trade him to the Raiders for there pick and then grab Johnson and a Olineman and start Schaub whos very good and just the type of QB they need.

Vick is a bust. He's not going to the Hall of Fame. He's not winning a superbowl. The guy rather smoke blunts with hot bitches then win a Superbowl.

I'd trade that guy to the Raiders while Al Davis is still alive cause once Al is gone, you're stuck with Vick.
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Vick been with the Falcons for what, 7 years now? And theres still a question about his ability to play the QB position? Thats not good. I think the Falcons should trade Vick for a high draft pick. Trade him to the Raiders for there pick and then grab Johnson and a Olineman and start Schaub whos very good and just the type of QB they need.

Vick is a bust. He's not going to the Hall of Fame. He's not winning a superbowl. The guy rather smoke blunts with hot bitches then win a Superbowl.

I'd trade that guy to the Raiders while Al Davis is still alive cause once Al is gone, you're stuck with Vick.
Without Vick Atlanta and Cleveland are the most generic teams in the NFL. Say what you want, but Vick is entertaining to watch and his style of play, though erradic, always gives the Faclons a legitimate chance to make the playoffs. It's not like they are going to be that much better without him.

So, what would you rather have in a worst case scenerio: a boring team that sucks or a team that is entertaining while they suck?
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I read he wanted out of New England
Well originally the Boston Media reported that he wanted to retire (since that is what he told them) but now his agent is coming out and saying if somebody wants him he'll play, but if not he'll retire
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Zach DeOssie is getting good reviews from the camp, he's the first player to be invited from Brown Univ.

I was hopping the pats would get him late, but looks like he's moving up.

Of course, Mike Mamula was a mid draft guy, had a great combine and moved into the top 10 and well, never did much after that.

As for Dillon good bye... thanks for the year we needed you.

He wants the Pats to cut him early, but if they wait it counts less against the cap. The Pats will wait, someone will take him, he's got more life in those legs.

There's talk that the Pats may go after Thomas Jones to back up Maroney, I heard something about the Bears looking to deal him (is this his idea or the bears or both?)
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Why would the Bears trade their starting running back? That makes no sense to me

DeOssie played with a kid I played with in high school at Brown, I guess he is a beast but it's Ivy league who knows if that'll translate to the NFL. I remember there was a local kid who went Northeastern a few years back and was a monster there but I don't think he ever really panned out - I can't remember his name now though
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Without Vick Atlanta and Cleveland are the most generic teams in the NFL. Say what you want, but Vick is entertaining to watch and his style of play, though erradic, always gives the Faclons a legitimate chance to make the playoffs. It's not like they are going to be that much better without him.

So, what would you rather have in a worst case scenerio: a boring team that sucks or a team that is entertaining while they suck?
Vick is a wide reciever or running back. Its pretty simple. The guy isnt a Quarterback. If you're drafted #1 and you get paid a 100million to play and we're still trying to figure out what type of quarterback you should be after 7 seasons, then you arent a QB.

Falcons are not a worst case scenario. They're one maybe two key players away from being legit contenders in the NFC. They trade Vick and start Schaub ( whos no doubt a better Qb ) and draft a WR and a lineman. Plus they have Warrick Dunn ( the most underrated runningback in the last 10 years ) and they have a pretty good defense with some playmakers.

And who cares if the team is boring? The Patriots were boring, but they won 3 Superbowls. Thats a pretty damn good boring if you ask me.

And not to mention anyone could win the NFC every year.
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Why would the Bears trade their starting running back? That makes no sense to me

DeOssie played with a kid I played with in high school at Brown, I guess he is a beast but it's Ivy league who knows if that'll translate to the NFL. I remember there was a local kid who went Northeastern a few years back and was a monster there but I don't think he ever really panned out - I can't remember his name now though
he's getting a lot of notice for his speed, I guess he has like RB type speed to go along with his size.

Then again, so did Andy Katzenmoyer...

As for Jones, I read something today that the Bears are going with Benson next season as the #1.

As for Vick, Dan Marino said it best on inside the NFL, they need to go 5-wide, create quick and simple reads for him, let him be mobile, he's still fast enough to avoid most blitzes and has a great arm, he's one of the best over-all athletes in the nfl and say he has one of the strongest arms. Going 5-wide will create miss matched for him. Bassicly almost a run and shoot type offense, with a running QB.

I could see that working very will for the Falcons. they need to strop trying to reach Vick a new system and fit him in, they need to put a system in that he can handle. He's not great at reading coverage, will he learn? well, he hasn't yet, so probably not.

I wouldn't mind seeing Vick at RB and Schaub at QB... imagine the Defenses on their toes all the time because of QB Options.
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I'm pretty sure Vick would die playing RB.
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I'm pretty sure Vick would die playing RB.
What makes you think that?
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I can just picture him getting hammered, running in between the tackles.
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I can just picture him getting hammered, running in between the tackles.
he's what, 6ft, about 215lbs? now bad size, that and I'm pretty sure he's been hit rather well as a QB.

I have some concern with his speed he might try and bounce to the outside all the time, but I also think with his speed it could work.

Also, how much would defenses have to stay on their heels incase it's an option/pass?

could be interesting, like have 2 qb's in the backfield.

I still think he could be a decent QB, just needs the system designed to him, rather then trying to teach him the system.
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If I was Schaub I'd demand a trade, cuz he could easily start for another NFL team.
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Imagine how on their heels defenses would be with Vick at QB and Schaub at RB! Think of all the options!
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Look who Vick is throwing too.

I dunno I think he has had a pretty successful career thus far, I mean hes been in atleast 2 or 3 probowls hasn't he?
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John Lynch made the probowl this year with 83 tackles, 0 sacks, and 0 interceptions so I don't think you can really argue pro bowls as a way to rate a player
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