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Old 06-26-2008, 02:25 PM   #121
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Except that it's not a double standard because JR decided to tough it out.
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Old 06-26-2008, 04:03 PM   #122
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BTW, anyone know why Lawler doesn't get fucked with the way Jim Ross does? I'll tell you why, Ross constantly bitches about the times he was fired and how he almost quit here and there. Lawler never talks about that kind of shit, not because he hasn't had a hard time hear and there, but because he will quit instead of just talking about it. For lack of a better term, Lawler mans up and does what he says, Ross just sits there all passive aggressive.
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Old 06-26-2008, 04:15 PM   #123
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Except that it's not a double standard because JR decided to tough it out.
It is in a sense, because he blasts Austin for doing it, yet considered it himself.
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Old 06-26-2008, 04:16 PM   #124
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Old 06-26-2008, 04:24 PM   #125
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It is in a sense, because he blasts Austin for doing it, yet considered it himself.
No, it's not. Because he didn't do it.
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Old 06-26-2008, 04:25 PM   #126
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Which only makes him twice the man really.
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Old 06-26-2008, 04:57 PM   #127
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There is nothing wrong with considering quitting when your boss pulls a dick move like that. And the fact that JR didn't quit but instead acted like a big bitch baby and cried to anyone that would listen, like the IWC who is hungry for anti-Vince stories just shows that Ross is unprofessional. Also, he isn't a hypocrit for being pissed about Austin leaving as Ross hasn't quit. But they were both unprofessional about the way they handled it.
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Old 06-26-2008, 05:02 PM   #128
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I see nothing unprofessional about venting. It's not a company blog, is it?
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Old 06-26-2008, 05:45 PM   #129
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Yep. JR is unprofessional for not walking out on his job.
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I see nothing unprofessional about venting. It's not a company blog, is it?
Venting on a public blog that anyone can read is unprofessional. There is nothing wrong with venting in private, but in the public eye, that is different.
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Old 06-26-2008, 05:50 PM   #131
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Yep. JR is unprofessional for not walking out on his job.
I wouldn't expect someone proud of being welsh to understand. JR is unprofessional for bitching, he even admits it. He gets picked on constantly because he is passive aggressive and won't do shit he says he wants to do.
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Old 06-26-2008, 05:52 PM   #132
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Venting on a public blog that anyone can read is unprofessional. There is nothing wrong with venting in private, but in the public eye, that is different.
I disagree. Using his regular medium, he let out his negativity. I understand your point, but I don't think he was wrong in his actions, as it was his blog. Had he used a WWE forum to vent his frustration, it'd be different.
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Old 06-26-2008, 06:00 PM   #133
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Old 06-26-2008, 07:21 PM   #134
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I wouldn't expect someone proud of being welsh to understand. JR is unprofessional for bitching, he even admits it. He gets picked on constantly because he is passive aggressive and won't do shit he says he wants to do.
First, don't patronise me and that first sentence doesn't even make any sense. If my point of view differs from you on one subject, I couldn't possibly relate to your train of thought on another??

Secondly, if sitting down and taking any and all vindictive shit a company throws at you and never speaking up for yourself in any kind of public forum is your view of "being a professional", please come work for me.

And note how nobody has been on Carlito's case for unprofessionalism and his public comments were much worse than JR's, whereas Ross simply stated his dislike for the fact that he was moved from one show to another, publicly and without any warning, to the point that he nearly quit over it. But no, as Carlito is a 'net darling, he gets a 'get out of jail free' card.
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Old 06-26-2008, 07:25 PM   #135
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Two wrongs don't make a right, but Vince has continually publically expressed his opinion/disklike/distain for Jim Ross on a television show watched by millions, via words and actions...but when JR publically retaliates, HE's the unprofessional one?

If you poke a dog with a stick for ten years, you can hardly moan when it barks, when by rights it should be biting a big chunk out of your ass.
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Old 06-26-2008, 07:26 PM   #136
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I've never had a reason to like Carlito, but I respect his ablity to say what he thinks needs to be said. I respect anybody that does that.
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Old 06-26-2008, 07:31 PM   #137
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On the same token, I respect JR for making his feelings publically clear. He has every right to feel slighted... if this was his first public humiliation, I'd say get over it to an extent, but this is the latest in a never ending stream of Vince figuratively bitch-slapping Ross on TV. The man deserves so much better.
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Old 06-26-2008, 07:33 PM   #138
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No, I'm agreeing with you. I"ve never cared either way about JR, either, but calling him "unprofessional" for venting his negativity seems a little harsh.
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Old 06-27-2008, 03:47 AM   #139
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I'm not angry at him for being upset, even publicly upset. That's not even so much the unprofessional part. I think he's unprofessional for the tone of "well other people might get treated this way, but Jim Ross is above that." He's unprofessional because what he said devalues Smackdown, in a non-Kayfabe way. It's unprofessional because of how he continues to spell out what he will and will not do (RE: SD post-production.)

Also I won't hide that I fucking hate Jim Ross and what angers me most of all about this is that he didn't quit.
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Also, I want to add that another one of my problems is this "I didn't get told" thing where everyone keeps saying that JR should've been told. I said it before:

1. Would that have made JR any less angry about it?
2. NO one outside of HHH and Umaga (I stood corrcted on that one) were told that they were being moved. Rey Mysterio wasn't told (though he was given a hint), Kennedy didn't, Michael Cole didn't have a CLUE (as I've pointed out before), Matt Hardy NOR Jeff Hardy wasn't told, Kane wasnt't and now I'm understanding Batista wasn't told, either. Should any of THOSE people have been told they were moving becase they should've gave them more respect? With all due respect to JR, there was a way the WWE wanted to do that show, and they did it that way. To suddenly change their rule for that night for one person regardless of his or her history with the business would be very disasterous.

That ends up making that whole thing nothing more than an excuse to me.
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No, JR is making a point that no doubt every wrestler in the company agrees with but don't have the balls to come out and say. They should all have been told in advance.

The undercarders get it even worse. Hell, imagine having to log into a fucking website to find out the future of your career?
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:16 AM   #142
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I"m sure youget a phone call if you're in the supplemental draft. They kind of need to tell you where to be and when.
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This is getting blown way out of proportion, tbh.
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Old 06-27-2008, 09:39 AM   #145
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This thread is seriously getting annoying. Every time I visit the wrestling forums it's right up there.
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Old 06-27-2008, 10:05 AM   #146
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Posting about your dislike of it being on top is a little useless, isn't it?
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This thread is seriously getting annoying. Every time I visit the wrestling forums it's right up there.
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Posting about your dislike of it being on top is a little useless, isn't it?
Afterbirth has a point.
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Old 06-27-2008, 11:17 AM   #148
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No, JR is making a point that no doubt every wrestler in the company agrees with but don't have the balls to come out and say. They should all have been told in advance.

The undercarders get it even worse. Hell, imagine having to log into a fucking website to find out the future of your career?
To your second point, there were some wrestlers in the supplemental draft that were told they were going to be moved ahead of time.

To your first point though, what they wanted to do was to get as real of reactions from the talent as they could (at least that's what I was reading). If you know where you're going and all of that, then you're obviously not going to have as "real" of a reaction as you would if you were told then and there (from how horrible some acting is in the WWE, I think that was a good move there).
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I"m sure youget a phone call if you're in the supplemental draft. They kind of need to tell you where to be and when.
You would think so. It is a fact that in years past, at least, many wrestlers were told by management to log in to WWE.com to find out if they were being drafted.
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JR should have quit or no showed an event to make his point. J.R loved being on RAW and it was very emotional for him to be told to to fuck off to smackdown. He posted his feelings then later apologized. The man is only human and it should be taken into consideration that.
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BTW, anyone know why Lawler doesn't get fucked with the way Jim Ross does? I'll tell you why, Ross constantly bitches about the times he was fired and how he almost quit here and there. Lawler never talks about that kind of shit, not because he hasn't had a hard time hear and there, but because he will quit instead of just talking about it. For lack of a better term, Lawler mans up and does what he says, Ross just sits there all passive aggressive.
I pretty much agree. Jerry Lawler strikes me as a guy with the money to quit. He can get away with staying on RAW. And JR is like that guy that says "Don't pick me, don't pick me," over and over again, so of course he gets picked.
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This is getting blown way out of proportion, tbh.
Very true.

I must say, though, I agree with Afterlife and darkpower on the case of Michael Cole being shocked by the move to RAW; and BDC on the topic of whether Jim Ross is unprofessional.

Did Rey Mysterio speak out publicly about being upset about being moved from his comfort zone? Did Brian Kendrick rant because he was upset because he and Paul London were split-up? Did Matt Hardy whine about going to ECW, and not getting to team with Jeff and have a nice little feud with him over the US Title? No, none of them did, because you don't speak out against the company employing you like that.

Afterlife, I love you, but JR blogging his feelings on the internet for all to read, about how his company fucked him over, while under contract, cannot be classified as "professional." Making the brand you are now meant to be hyping up sound like a chore is not "professional." Also, I do think JR is a bit of a hypocrite for being upset when Austin didn't play ball and be a company man, when for a good twelve hours or so, JR was going to quit because he didn't want to do his part for another brand. There are a lot of similarities.

The difference being, JR stuck around. Good on him, I guess, but the situations were very similar, and the result was very close to being the same. JR doesn't come out squeaky clean because his wife reminded him they need the money to keep their restaurant business growing.
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The similarities between JR/Carlito are less than the similarities between JR/Stone Cold:

Carlito spoke out against the company, yes, but he didn't threaten to walk out. It was not wise on his behalf, but it doesn't make the points he was making wrong. Carlito admitting his race had been an issue is an honest qualm to bring up. JR upset because he was asked to move over there, instead of where he was, is just whiny by comparison.
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Did Matt Hardy whine about going to ECW, and not getting to team with Jeff and have a nice little feud with him over the US Title? No, none of them did, because you don't speak out against the company employing you like that.
Methinks Matt Hardy learned his lesson three years ago.

But of course, he's a "professional", right?
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I've been calling it for a couple of years now, and I'll say it again-

Josh Matthews is the future of wrestling commentary.
One thing that I love about Josh Matthews, is that he seems genuinely passionate about the business (Joey Styles also fits in this category IMO).

I really hope you are right about Matthews. I know I poke fun at JR a lot but whoever DOES eventually replace JR, will have very large shoes to fill.

I really wish JR and Paul Heyman were a tandem. Those guys were seriously the greatest tandem of all-time. Michael Cole and JBL were also quite good. I thought JBL was an excellent color commentator. Tazz is also really good.

I don't think Lawler is horrible, but I'm not a huge fan of his. I'm also not liking Mick Foley at current.
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I like Foley. He can only get better too.

Matthews should have been used ages ago. It's baffles me why they don't use him.
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