NCAA Football 2008-2009 Season Thread - Page 4

**BCWWF** · 12-10-2008, 11:21 PM

VEL, you have a lot of flaws in there. I'm not sure if you just forgot or never knew, but:

1. Technically the four biggest bowls are: Rose, Sugar, Fiesta and Orange. After that, probably the Cotton and Capitol One are the biggest.

2. The biggest flaw is probably in the affiliations. Would you arbitrarily seed the four big bowls, 1 vs. 8, 2 vs. 7 etc? Or would you still use the current format, Big Ten vs. Pac-10 in the Rose Bowl, for example?

Either way would not fly. If you ranked the teams, you break the bowl affiliations, which we have seen is a pretty big deal -- especially the Rose Bowl, and to some extent the Sugar and Fiesta.

If you used the regular affiliations, you run the risk of the top two teams being in the Big Ten and Pac-10, thus making the rest of the playoffs unnecessary.

The "popular" theory spread by ESPN and the like is the Plus-1 method, but I think there are as many flaws in that as anything.

1. You don't need an added game every year. If there are two undefeated teams, why do they have to beat the "best" of the one-loss teams before playing each other?
2. Would you have the four BCS bowls as usual, and the 1-2 teams after BCS week play each other? OR would you add two additional semifinal bowls and keep the BCS national championship? Method one wouldn't really make sense. Method two would dilute the four remaining BCS bowls to the point where they aren't even significant.

I could go on. I understand these aren't well stated; I wrote this all out on a different thread and just kind of threw it together here.

**BCWWF** · 12-10-2008, 11:28 PM

Because I'm bored:

1. Oklahoma 56
16. Troy 10

8. Penn State 24
9. Boise State 21

5. Southern California 41
12 Cincinnati 14

4. Alabama 20
13. Virginia Tech 13

6. Utah 34
11. Texas Christian 24

3. Texas 48
14. Buffalo 7

7. Texas Tech 38
10 Ohio State 41

2. Florida 56
15. Tulsa 13

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1. Oklahoma 38
8. Penn State 27

4. Alabama 24
5. USC 35

3. Texas 31
6. Utah 21

2. Florida 34
7. Ohio State 24

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1. Oklahoma 34
5. USC 38

2. Florida 41
3. Texas 37

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5. USC 31
2. Florida 42!

**Vastardikai** · 12-11-2008, 01:04 AM

1. I'm not Vel.

2. I was guessing on the top four. Amazingly, I got three of them right.

3. You can't possibly win. I was going for the best possible compromise I could come up with. I was offering a shot to help the sponsors and the money people getting money and a playoff system. It's not like the BCS braintrust is gonna go to the TPDub to figure out how to fix a problem they refuse to acknowledge exists.

4. I went arbitrary because the first four games (1 vs. 8, 2 vs. 7, etc.) wouldn't be for bowls. It's the results of the games that set up the big 4 bowls. All teams get a bowl game, it's just a matter of who goes where. 4 winning teams play in two bowls. 4 losing teams play in two bowls. As far as diluting the importance of bowl games. Hell, they're top 4 for a reason. Why not have 2 of the top 8 teams in the country play in one of the top 4 bowl games? "Diluting the importance" is just bullshit propaganda from the guys who sponsor the top 4 games, anyway. If there's a way to keep affiliations, I'd be open to go for it. I don't want to see a lop-sided bowl game just to satisfy the affiliations.

5. Also, an Undefeated team should have to prove themselves against one of the "better" one loss teams. Case in Point: Hawaii '07. Besides, it's not like a One Loss Team could be better than an Undefeated team (This year's SEC Championship Game.) What happens on the field should matter. As far as the possibility that the top two teams facing in an earlier game, thus negating the importance of the rest of the games: More bullshit BCS propaganda. If they're that much better, they should have no problem proving it against the inferior teams.

**BCWWF** · 12-11-2008, 09:33 AM

Lol, wow, I don't know how I thought that said VEL? Sorry about that.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-12-2009, 10:54 PM

For such a great sport the championship series is so stupid, how is Florida considered the National Champion where as teams like USC, Utah or Texas aren't?

**The Outlaw** · 01-13-2009, 11:24 PM

Because they won the BCS National Championship game.

It is what it is.

**BCWWF** · 01-14-2009, 05:26 PM

Imo, if not the playoff, something needs to be fixed so that the Mountain West is considered a "big" conference.

12-11-2008, 01:04 AM	#3
Vastardikai Taller than Adam Cole Posts: 10,876	1. I'm not Vel. 2. I was guessing on the top four. Amazingly, I got three of them right. 3. You can't possibly win. I was going for the best possible compromise I could come up with. I was offering a shot to help the sponsors and the money people getting money and a playoff system. It's not like the BCS braintrust is gonna go to the TPDub to figure out how to fix a problem they refuse to acknowledge exists. 4. I went arbitrary because the first four games (1 vs. 8, 2 vs. 7, etc.) wouldn't be for bowls. It's the results of the games that set up the big 4 bowls. All teams get a bowl game, it's just a matter of who goes where. 4 winning teams play in two bowls. 4 losing teams play in two bowls. As far as diluting the importance of bowl games. Hell, they're top 4 for a reason. Why not have 2 of the top 8 teams in the country play in one of the top 4 bowl games? "Diluting the importance" is just bullshit propaganda from the guys who sponsor the top 4 games, anyway. If there's a way to keep affiliations, I'd be open to go for it. I don't want to see a lop-sided bowl game just to satisfy the affiliations. 5. Also, an Undefeated team should have to prove themselves against one of the "better" one loss teams. Case in Point: Hawaii '07. Besides, it's not like a One Loss Team could be better than an Undefeated team (This year's SEC Championship Game.) What happens on the field should matter. As far as the possibility that the top two teams facing in an earlier game, thus negating the importance of the rest of the games: More bullshit BCS propaganda. If they're that much better, they should have no problem proving it against the inferior teams. Last edited by Vastardikai; 12-11-2008 at 01:29 AM.

12-10-2008, 11:21 PM	#1
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	VEL, you have a lot of flaws in there. I'm not sure if you just forgot or never knew, but: 1. Technically the four biggest bowls are: Rose, Sugar, Fiesta and Orange. After that, probably the Cotton and Capitol One are the biggest. 2. The biggest flaw is probably in the affiliations. Would you arbitrarily seed the four big bowls, 1 vs. 8, 2 vs. 7 etc? Or would you still use the current format, Big Ten vs. Pac-10 in the Rose Bowl, for example? Either way would not fly. If you ranked the teams, you break the bowl affiliations, which we have seen is a pretty big deal -- especially the Rose Bowl, and to some extent the Sugar and Fiesta. If you used the regular affiliations, you run the risk of the top two teams being in the Big Ten and Pac-10, thus making the rest of the playoffs unnecessary. The "popular" theory spread by ESPN and the like is the Plus-1 method, but I think there are as many flaws in that as anything. 1. You don't need an added game every year. If there are two undefeated teams, why do they have to beat the "best" of the one-loss teams before playing each other? 2. Would you have the four BCS bowls as usual, and the 1-2 teams after BCS week play each other? OR would you add two additional semifinal bowls and keep the BCS national championship? Method one wouldn't really make sense. Method two would dilute the four remaining BCS bowls to the point where they aren't even significant. I could go on. I understand these aren't well stated; I wrote this all out on a different thread and just kind of threw it together here.

12-10-2008, 11:28 PM	#2
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Because I'm bored: 1. Oklahoma 56 16. Troy 10 8. Penn State 24 9. Boise State 21 5. Southern California 41 12 Cincinnati 14 4. Alabama 20 13. Virginia Tech 13 6. Utah 34 11. Texas Christian 24 3. Texas 48 14. Buffalo 7 7. Texas Tech 38 10 Ohio State 41 2. Florida 56 15. Tulsa 13 ----- 1. Oklahoma 38 8. Penn State 27 4. Alabama 24 5. USC 35 3. Texas 31 6. Utah 21 2. Florida 34 7. Ohio State 24 ---- 1. Oklahoma 34 5. USC 38 2. Florida 41 3. Texas 37 ----- 5. USC 31 2. Florida 42!

12-11-2008, 09:33 AM	#4
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Lol, wow, I don't know how I thought that said VEL? Sorry about that.

01-12-2009, 10:54 PM	#5
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	For such a great sport the championship series is so stupid, how is Florida considered the National Champion where as teams like USC, Utah or Texas aren't?

01-13-2009, 11:24 PM	#6
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Because they won the BCS National Championship game. It is what it is.

01-14-2009, 05:26 PM	#7
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Imo, if not the playoff, something needs to be fixed so that the Mountain West is considered a "big" conference.