Forrest Griffin vs. Anderson Silva at UFC 101 - Page 4

**Reavant** · 05-13-2009, 02:28 PM

I suppose if you really wanted a rise out of him you could say manchester is a bunch of sissys

**Fabien Barthez** · 05-14-2009, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Reavant

again... look at his muscle tone compaired to rich franklin.

Also look at the way the two fight. Rich uses more strength and power when he fights which would be improved by gains in muscle mass. Anderson fights with speed and accuracy. Something that putting on 10-12 pounds of muscle would hinder.

For sure. But would I be wrong in saying Anderson was a bigger built guy pre-UFC? My point being that maybe increased level of competition encouraged him to improve speed and accuracy to succeed..... He may not have been that much bigger at all....

**Fabien Barthez** · 05-14-2009, 06:11 AM

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Stick the the name calling. Everything you say is right, and I have to resort to total nonsence because I literally have zero comebacks.

And defeat.

**Fabien Barthez** · 05-14-2009, 06:17 AM

Oh, and if he put 70% ish of the weight gain on below the ribcage, I don't see how it could be considered hinderance that much.

**Reavant** · 05-14-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez

For sure. But would I be wrong in saying Anderson was a bigger built guy pre-UFC? My point being that maybe increased level of competition encouraged him to improve speed and accuracy to succeed..... He may not have been that much bigger at all....

The weight class in pride was actually 183 not 185 so I would presume that he was possibly smaller then than he would be now

**Reavant** · 05-14-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez

Oh, and if he put 70% ish of the weight gain on below the ribcage, I don't see how it could be considered hinderance that much.

I hope you just mean leg muscle because putting weight on or right below the rip cage is pretty much only going to be fat and if you mean to tell me that any extra fat isnt a hinurance, then Id say you have lost all credibility and need to read up on your health books (by the way Im not considering the upper back and pecs as weight on the rib cage)

**Fabien Barthez** · 05-14-2009, 12:25 PM

Cage Rage was 185. But if he came into the Lietes fight at 182, its neither here nor there, i'm just saying i reckon he looked bigger, and cut more weight...

I was talking majority legs yes. stronger abs and groin, but you can only work so much there in a short time.

Everything above the ribcage directly affects striking, whereas below only improves.... although kicks and other mechanics of MMA vary all that, but that's what I mean by below the ribcage.

**Reavant** · 05-14-2009, 05:06 PM

mmmmk.... abs and groin muscles dont really grow when you work them. You dont work your core like you would the larger muscle groups. To build muscle strength and size you have to do heavy weight short rep exercises, and you can to that with core muscles I guess, but they dont work that way effectiovely and doing that to train for MMA is retarded. You work the core with high repitition exercises that condition your core muscles to not tire. Threfore while they will become more dense, they will not increase in size that would warrant a significant weight gain that strength training the larger muscle groups would do.

Also hes been on like 5 different countdown shows, has he ever once been doing serious strength training on his legs?

anyway, if he looked bigger THEN and was cutting more weight THEN and hes not as big now... what point are you trying to make? This whole thread was about how anderson cuts from like 230 lbs every fight and how thats absurd.

**Fabien Barthez** · 05-15-2009, 07:51 AM

He has never been on these shows for a 205 fight.... all of this is pure speculation right now.

My point was he has potential to be bigger built, and looked more devastating then than he has of late tbf.

My entire point here is that in the timeframe available, it would not be impossible to put on enough lean mass to close the fight time weight difference to around 10lbs instead of 25-30.

05-13-2009, 02:28 PM	#121
Reavant Donkey Punch Elite Posts: 9,910	I suppose if you really wanted a rise out of him you could say manchester is a bunch of sissys

05-14-2009, 06:17 AM	#124
Fabien Barthez Spliff & A Brew Posts: 6,754	Oh, and if he put 70% ish of the weight gain on below the ribcage, I don't see how it could be considered hinderance that much.

05-14-2009, 12:25 PM	#127
Fabien Barthez Spliff & A Brew Posts: 6,754	Cage Rage was 185. But if he came into the Lietes fight at 182, its neither here nor there, i'm just saying i reckon he looked bigger, and cut more weight... I was talking majority legs yes. stronger abs and groin, but you can only work so much there in a short time. Everything above the ribcage directly affects striking, whereas below only improves.... although kicks and other mechanics of MMA vary all that, but that's what I mean by below the ribcage.

05-14-2009, 05:06 PM	#128
Reavant Donkey Punch Elite Posts: 9,910	mmmmk.... abs and groin muscles dont really grow when you work them. You dont work your core like you would the larger muscle groups. To build muscle strength and size you have to do heavy weight short rep exercises, and you can to that with core muscles I guess, but they dont work that way effectiovely and doing that to train for MMA is retarded. You work the core with high repitition exercises that condition your core muscles to not tire. Threfore while they will become more dense, they will not increase in size that would warrant a significant weight gain that strength training the larger muscle groups would do. Also hes been on like 5 different countdown shows, has he ever once been doing serious strength training on his legs? anyway, if he looked bigger THEN and was cutting more weight THEN and hes not as big now... what point are you trying to make? This whole thread was about how anderson cuts from like 230 lbs every fight and how thats absurd.

05-15-2009, 07:51 AM	#129
Fabien Barthez Spliff & A Brew Posts: 6,754	He has never been on these shows for a 205 fight.... all of this is pure speculation right now. My point was he has potential to be bigger built, and looked more devastating then than he has of late tbf. My entire point here is that in the timeframe available, it would not be impossible to put on enough lean mass to close the fight time weight difference to around 10lbs instead of 25-30.