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Old 07-18-2009, 04:23 PM   #121
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For the record, I agree with most of what Krispy, Funky, Dale and Rob(sans the condescending overtones) said. They made some very good points, but it's sad that most wrestling fans, or WWE fans I should say, can't take the criticism.

Thanks to the Vault i get to hear people complain all day and all night about how lame WWE has gotten. You would think these people would want WWE to be more like UFC.
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Old 07-18-2009, 04:31 PM   #122
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Also this belongs in the MMA subforum.
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EXTREME hugging.
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Also, still a Subforum.
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Now get back in your boat and out of my forum.
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This is not a wrestling topic. MOVE IT.
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K. We're just gonna spam the MMA subforum from now on. Thanks.
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This topic is a lame flame war. Congrats.
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STRAWMAN.
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EXTREME ORAL COMBAT

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I mean, I guess MMA does have a few good things. It was part of the training of the most extreme combatant ever.

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This is exhibit A for why people, and most people on TPWW, think wrestling fans are a bunch of retards.
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Old 07-18-2009, 07:29 PM   #123
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Wrestling fans are stupid cunts, what your point? MMA and Football fans are frat boys and jocks too. Doesn't change the fact that your bullshit belongs in your bullshit sub-forum.
Ok, According to St. Jimmy I am a stupid cunt, a frat boy and a jock. Anyone agree with this?
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Old 07-18-2009, 07:33 PM   #124
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Ok, According to St. Jimmy I am a stupid cunt, a frat boy and a jock. Anyone agree with this?
Of course. Join the club!

By the way, why was this thread closed earlier?
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Old 07-18-2009, 07:41 PM   #125
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Old 07-18-2009, 08:21 PM   #126
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You are coming off as a complete mongril
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Old 07-18-2009, 08:41 PM   #127
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Wrestling fans are stupid cunts, what your point? MMA and Football fans are frat boys and jocks too. Doesn't change the fact that your bullshit belongs in your bullshit sub-forum.
This does not belong in the MMA forum because it is not an MMA topic.. A wrestling forum mod (Juan), an MMA forum mod (me), and a super mod (Funky Fly) have all agreed on and told you this numerous times.. If you don't like the way the forums are being run, maybe you should leave.. Simple fact is, we are trying to discuss how the WWE could be better with using some of the practices that have made the UFC so great.. You are spamming what has been a good discussion and you are the reason this thread was closed.. Fine, great, you don't like MMA.. We get the point, so why not just not either constructively add to the conversation or stop opening this thread..

p.s. The "bullshit sub-forum" is in the real sports forum for a reason (it is a real sport where as before it was moved it was under the "wrestling" category) and also gets more hits than the actual sports forum itself.. I realize the sports forum will have more once football and basketball starts back, but that is not the point..
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Old 07-18-2009, 08:41 PM   #128
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Old 07-18-2009, 08:52 PM   #129
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Old 07-18-2009, 08:53 PM   #130
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Old 07-18-2009, 10:53 PM   #131
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Old 07-19-2009, 12:47 AM   #134
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Adressing an earlier post from CSLI Manning.


Pro wrestling doesn't have to follow the formula exactly. It's more the spirit of it... It's as simple as not having HHH vs. Randy Orton every fucking month, or HHH vs. Randy Orton in teh 00ber pwnage biggest match in wwe history on RAW every 2 weeks. It used to be a cage match meant something, hell... it used to be a title match meant something, and so did a heel turn.

What wwe needs to take from ufc is the fact that when something happens, it means something. Yes HHH can wrestle once every week (preferably every 2 or 3 but we need to be realistic) but it needs to be against different wrestlers, in tag matches, 6 man tag matches.... And Randy Orton doesn't need to interfere in every fucking match he has, neither does legacy. When the 2 collide, when they go at it on the mic even...it should mean something, it shouldn't be just another episode of RAW. There should be weeks on end where they don't touch one another and confront one another. They can talk trash about each other but there doesn't always need to be all these "explosive situations" all the fucking time. HHH can beat MVP in a main event one night and then be interviewed after the match backstage or something and be like "Randy Orton, I'm coming for you". The next week, Orton can beat Mark Henry, and do the same thing. Trade it back and forth, and then after a month or so of taunting and shit talking, then you have them confront one another. Unfortunately it's all done and dusted but you get the idea.

That's what UFC does well... not necesarilly on purpose, but since there is time b/w fights, guys can talk shit up until the weigh-in and then all of a sudden you have that initial confrontation the night before the fight, and then the fight. It's a beautiful, natural thing and WWE can learn from it.
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Old 07-19-2009, 01:45 AM   #135
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UFC and WWE are night and day... They're not totally different, but they can never be the same. They complement each other at best.

First, UFC is real. Now I agree, UFC isn't more popular because it's real, BUT there's a bigger must watch aspect because of that fact. For example, I can read the results to a ppv, watch it 3 days later, and not care. On the night of UFC 100 though, I was asked "Why don't you just wait for it to be on TV." I thought about it, and honestly, because UFC is a real sport. I can't go several weeks without finding out what happened, and honestly, knowing what's going to happen takes away some of the interest. If I hear a UFC fight, and a ppv wrestling match are both amazing matches, I'm probably going to go farther out of my way to watch the WWE match. However, on the other hand, I'm much more likely to watch a UFC ppv live, then I am a WWE ppv.

And as far as characters go, WWE will never be able to match UFC, because UFC is real. These are natural characters, it's how people are. Granted they may be exaggerating their own traits a bit at points, they're acting by doing what comes natural to them. There are some great characters in WWE who can do that too, but there are way too many "characters" in the WWE that are just horribly forced. It's hard to get behind someone's character when they can barely pull it off because it's so foreign to them.

On the other hand, the UFC also has the advantage of being limited in its exposure. I highly doubt Dana White could put out 5 hours of original TV weekly. And while that exposure may be good for the WWE, it also hurts them. If UFC has a bad card, most people won't get burned out on 1 card, especially when there will be different fighters on the next card. How many wrestling fans however get sick of shitty storylines, or bad matches, and stop tuning in, just because they see the same thing so much? In an odd sense, it's sort of like supply and demand.
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Old 07-19-2009, 04:11 AM   #136
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Old 07-19-2009, 07:19 AM   #137
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I completely disagree with anyone of you in here who says UFC will always have more popularity than WWE.

I mean, come on are you really so serious about this line of shit you find necessary to pull out of your collective UFC fanboy asses? Yeah, there's more realism in UFC compared to WWE and they ARE doing better -- for now. But there's nothing to say that UFC might not take the exact same eventual downhill slide as WWE, and WHEN, not if, it happens, they will have to either learn from their mistakes, and not make the same mistakes The 'E has over the past approximately 7 1/2 years, and then MAYBE, just maybe, UFC will be able to stave off extinction until the next loss of interest takes place. But I for one do not think UFC can possibly make it as far as WWE, or even professional boxing for that matter, but I guess only time itself will (eventually) tell and slam shut the debate on this age-old matter forever.
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Old 07-19-2009, 07:22 AM   #138
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Old 07-19-2009, 07:26 AM   #139
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Also, St. Jimmy is right about one (1) thing...this thread DEFINITELY needs to be moved to the MMA Sub-Forum. The only thing it will do here is serve to continue this flame war. At least in the MMA Sub-Forum you won't have to worry about the Wrestling Forumers coming over every 5 minutes to defend their views on the matter, as we won't give a fuck, being perfectly content to let all the pro-UFC guys kiss each other's asses and try re-assuring themselves that they are so much better than those barbaric cavemen who watch WWE. I mean, FFS all UFC really is in the first place is just a bunch of glorified Lockdown shows, let's cut the shit and be honest, already.
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There I EDITED IT. Now is your unquenchable thirst for blood satisfied, or are you gonna come after me for more, DRACULA?

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There I EDITED IT. Now is your unquenchable thirst for blood satisfied, or are you gonna come after me for more, DRACULA?
What are you getting all upset for? I thought someone actually said it since you wrote it.

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Old 07-19-2009, 10:14 AM   #142
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I still don't understand why people are getting so upset over this :S. I'm as much if not more of a wrestling mark than all of you.
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Old 07-19-2009, 10:17 AM   #143
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UFC and WWE are night and day... They're not totally different, but they can never be the same. They complement each other at best.

First, UFC is real. Now I agree, UFC isn't more popular because it's real, BUT there's a bigger must watch aspect because of that fact. For example, I can read the results to a ppv, watch it 3 days later, and not care. On the night of UFC 100 though, I was asked "Why don't you just wait for it to be on TV." I thought about it, and honestly, because UFC is a real sport. I can't go several weeks without finding out what happened, and honestly, knowing what's going to happen takes away some of the interest. If I hear a UFC fight, and a ppv wrestling match are both amazing matches, I'm probably going to go farther out of my way to watch the WWE match. However, on the other hand, I'm much more likely to watch a UFC ppv live, then I am a WWE ppv.

And as far as characters go, WWE will never be able to match UFC, because UFC is real. These are natural characters, it's how people are. Granted they may be exaggerating their own traits a bit at points, they're acting by doing what comes natural to them. There are some great characters in WWE who can do that too, but there are way too many "characters" in the WWE that are just horribly forced. It's hard to get behind someone's character when they can barely pull it off because it's so foreign to them.

On the other hand, the UFC also has the advantage of being limited in its exposure. I highly doubt Dana White could put out 5 hours of original TV weekly. And while that exposure may be good for the WWE, it also hurts them. If UFC has a bad card, most people won't get burned out on 1 card, especially when there will be different fighters on the next card. How many wrestling fans however get sick of shitty storylines, or bad matches, and stop tuning in, just because they see the same thing so much? In an odd sense, it's sort of like supply and demand.

Good post. However if the WWE's product was hot, you'd be much more eager to see the ppvs live. There are ways to make the matches seem more real.

Honestly, with the exposure thing... the wwe has such a gigantic roster, there's no reason for certain guys to be over exposed the way they are. It's just pure narrow mindedness.
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Old 07-19-2009, 10:18 AM   #144
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And also, why the fuck would I post this in the mma forum? Do you guys know anything about mma, this is about improving the wrestling product, not the mma product.
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Old 07-19-2009, 11:16 AM   #145
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Don't bother. We are wrong. Wrestling is doing fine right now and is keeping its own fanbase glued to the TV every week.
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It's funny that this is probably the best topic in the wrestling forum right now though. All these wangs wanna talk about is Steve Blackman, Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart.
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Old 07-19-2009, 12:50 PM   #148
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Old 07-19-2009, 02:53 PM   #149
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Well let's talk about Montreal and Bret vs. Shawn again. We haven't bleed the cunt out of this just yet and it's only been 12 years since it happened.
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Old 07-19-2009, 03:37 PM   #150
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The sad thing about everyone who is flaming here is that you seem to think we want the WWE to fail. WE DON'T.

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It's funny that this is probably the best topic in the wrestling forum right now though. All these wangs wanna talk about is Steve Blackman, Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart.
You forgot Velvet Sky's ass and Daffney.
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UFC have something WWE doesn't have "MOMENTUM". It's all about momentum. Something TNA never had and something WWE had twice in history,WCW once in history. Ever since the debut of The Ultimate Fighter,UFC been on a roll and hasn't drop the ball since.
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Old 07-20-2009, 12:40 AM   #153
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yep that's for sure. I still don't understand how WWE can't take pointers from the ufc... I mean hell UFC took elements of pro wrestling and made it work for them better the wrestling did.
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Old 07-20-2009, 12:42 AM   #154
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At the same time, WWE has had momentum within it's fan base several times and they shit it down every time. Randy Orton punting Vince McMahon in the head was HUGE, they had their next big real mega-star that their fanbase would have rallied behind and bought as the real deal (which ultimately would have put him over to the casual fan) and they let it go. Took them one or two weeks to make him just another guy again. They do it to themselves.
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It's because the product is so watered down, they are afraid to take risks to truly shift the business into another direction. They have no balls to run with any momentum they build, they think it's easier to maintain status quo and make all the money off of their merchandising and 12 year old pre teens. W/E works for them I guess, a damn shame they forgot about all of their multiple decade long fans.
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yep that's for sure. I still don't understand how WWE can't take pointers from the ufc... I mean hell UFC took elements of pro wrestling and made it work for them better the wrestling did.
Wrestling is always at its best when it follows current trends and cultures. They should be copying every MMA submission, especially guillotine and triangle chokes, kimura's, heel hooks and knee bars. Simple moves people will understand and know they hurt.

Every WWE match is exactly the same these days. You might not believe it but they are. Face gets offense, heel gets heat, face comes back, heel gets some comeback before getting beaten by the same predictable finishing sequence. There is nothing wrong with finishers but sometimes you have to have main event guys win with other stuff.

MMA fights aren't the same. If you watch 5 fights on a UFC show, you generally get 5 different styles of fights. And even when you get guys winning with the same submission, the move gets more over and the fights don't suffer.

I fail to see why WWE can't work with this.
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Uh oh Rob I think you made way too much sense for the forum it might explode.
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How did this get to 4 pages? I figured based off the title alone that anyone that had watched Raw since 2002 would agree.
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Uh oh Rob I think you made way too much sense for the forum it might explode.
Guaranteed at least 25% of the people here would argue against this purely because I wrote it though.
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I don't know if all the moves from MMA would translate well to pro wrestling. Worth a try, but I think the bigger thing WWE should do is simplify their story line's.

Just make it wrestler A wants to beat wrestler B because he has the title or he wants to prove he's better. Don't bring all these other stupid things into feuds.

Just keep it simple.
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