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Old 02-02-2013, 09:50 PM   #1
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Understood. You basically agree with DaveWadding's comment then?

So what has gone wrong with Phil and Joba?
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Old 02-02-2013, 10:38 PM   #2
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Dusty Baker don't know what a pitch count is and he don't care.
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Old 02-02-2013, 10:56 PM   #5
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At one point Joba was their big prospect, their ace of the future. Then Came the "Joba rules" and he was placed on strict pitch counts and days of rest which ended up making him more fragile and he became conditioned down to a point that he's now nothing but a relief pitcher. Hughes can't go longer than 7 innings or 95-100 pitches. Pitch counts are fine in the beginning of development to build a pitcher up but they must continue to be built upon and allowed to be let off the leash, so to speak, as they mature.
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Old 02-02-2013, 11:36 PM   #7
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At one point Joba was their big prospect, their ace of the future. Then Came the "Joba rules" and he was placed on strict pitch counts and days of rest which ended up making him more fragile and he became conditioned down to a point that he's now nothing but a relief pitcher. Hughes can't go longer than 7 innings or 95-100 pitches. Pitch counts are fine in the beginning of development to build a pitcher up but they must continue to be built upon and allowed to be let off the leash, so to speak, as they mature.
I was aware of the Joba Rules, but what was the exact schedule? Was it goofy like pitching every 7 days or throwing no more than 75 pitches per outing? If it was like then I understand your point about to FEW pitches/innings.

I'm not for off the grid type pitch limits over a season. That's for Rookie ball. I'm about innings limits for young pitchers, gradually increasing their workload over a season much like a normal person would start a workout routine. Simply put: Build endurance.

You don't get anything out of 5 minute jogs (Joba Rules). You start with a decent but manageable workout and gradually move up so that before you know it, you can exercise for long periods of time. Increase a pitchers innings limit by 20 per season if your intent is to make him a starter. Its was the Cubs are doing with Shark, and what the Nats are doing with Strausberg. The risk of pitcher injury if you increase his innnings limit by more than 20 rises dramatically. That's what I would want to prevent. Monitor pitch count on a normal game by game basis (No one should be throwing over 115 unless its CC, Felix or its an important game), not over a season.
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I'm sure Youk is glad he's on the same team as Joba now. He can't head hunt him anymore.
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I memba Millwood being the "worst" in a rotation of Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, and Neagle.

He was still useful as a starter. Solid career.
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Brandon Webb retires

I was at his last major league start ever (Opening Day '09 vs. the Rox). One of my all time faves. Can't believe he never got back from that shoulder shit.
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I was at his last major league start ever (Opening Day '09 vs. the Rox). One of my all time faves. Can't believe he never got back from that shoulder shit.
Mark Prior, too. He hasn't been back either in a while.
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(Yahoo Rankings)

30. Astros
29. Marlins
28. Mets
27. Rockies
26. Twins
25. Pirates
24. Indians
23. Mariners
22. Padres
21. Cubs
20. Brewers
19. Red Sox
18. White Sox
17. Royals
16. Orioles
15. Phillies
14. Diamondbacks
13. A's
12. Rangers
11. Yankees
10. Rays
09. Cardinals
08. Giants
07. Tigers
06.
05.
04.
03.
02.
01.

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So what do you think of their rankings?
Who do you think you should be 06-01?
Who do you think Yahoo will put 06-01?

Teams left,/not yet ranked;
Jays
Angels
Dodgers
Braves
Nationals
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I'd say

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Braves
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What " I " personally think it should be...

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Dodgers
Braves
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Angels
Nationals
What I think Yahoo will come up with..

Braves
Reds
Jays
Dodgers
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You or Yahoo posting that?
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Are you asking what i think it will be? I havent seen yahoo. I'm assuming they're doing it day by day... That's the order i think it will be.
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(if I agreed with everything Yahoo posted so far)

Me:
06. Reds
05. Braves
04. Dodgers
03. Nationals
02. Jays
01. Angels

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05. Reds
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04. Dodgers
03. Nationals
02. Jays
01. Angels

Yahoo
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04. Jays
03. Nationals
02. Dodgers
01. Angels

( being lazy atm ) So has yahoo released the last 6 or is that what you think yahoo will say?
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:38 AM   #30
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:52 AM   #31
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I don't know. But I feel like my Yankees should be a tad bit lower.

Not looking forward to this season.
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I don't know. But I feel like my Yankees should be a tad bit lower.

Not looking forward to this season.
Me too, got a bad feeling about this.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:59 AM   #33
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Honestly I don't think the Mets are THAT bad. Their outfield is shit but I've got high hopes for their pitching staff. Also Bourn is still in play.

I'd certainly put them ahead of teams like the Mariners, Twins, and Cubs.
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Cubs v Mets full strength?? Listen I realize the Cubs might not make the playoffs, but the Mets wont be better. Cubs have really gotten deep in the rotation. I think Camp/Russell are one of the best middle relieving duo's in the league. Castro might have a major breakout year this year. I'm expecting 30 HR's and .300 average. Potential MVP season if they can manage to compete for a playoff spot. Barney is the best D player in the league and Rizzo has a ton of potential. Add Dejesus, Soriano and Navarro ( A nice upgrade at catcher ) and i think the Cubs are better than the Mets. If the Mets had Dickey, than sure. They would be close. But I think the Cubs are sneaky this season. I'm not saying they make it to the playoffs, but I think they contend for a decent amount of the season before finally bowing out.
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Maybe so. But still, I'd at least put the Mets at a similar level to the Cubs on that list. I think the Mets could be sneaky too. Barring injuries I'd assume the Nationals and Braves will be in a 1st place battle in the East with the loser getting the top wild card spot. The Marlins suck and the Phillies may finally be falling out of relevance...so a third place finish and potentially staying in the 2nd Wild Card hunt is at least possible.
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I will say that everyone between the Mets and Cubs, with the exception of the Pirates, I would put the Mets in front of.
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Why, Nerf? Because the everyone is older, the opening day catcher is Fransisco Cervelli, Jeter and A-Rod are old, Youkilis won't be good for anything above .260, and because the Blue Jays and Orioles are catching up.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:58 PM   #38
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As much as I enjoyed what the O's did last year, they did not do enough to keep up with everyone for 2013.
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As much as I enjoyed what the O's did last year, they did not do enough to keep up with everyone for 2013.
I think they'll finish above the Yankees and Red Sox, TBH.

And I'm talking about 3rd place, right behind the Jays, who will finish 2nd and my Rays, who are gonna win the division!
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As much as I enjoyed what the O's did last year, they did not do enough to keep up with everyone for 2013.
As they say, less is more.
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