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Old 05-24-2010, 03:03 PM   #1601
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Edit: Also, Christian said THEY created this place so they could meet up. Not just Jack.[/QUOTE]

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I like how even in his alternate universe Sayid is still a brooding killer.

Always going to wonder what became of immortal Richard.

Makes since for Farraday, Charlotte, and Miles to be separate as they arrived together with a different agenda. Same with Rousseau, Ben, and Alex.

Also when Ben and Hugo complimented each other on being good number one and number two on the island did anyone else go crazy thinking about their tenure and how it ultimately ended?
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Old 05-24-2010, 03:16 PM   #1602
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Was the lighthouse a way to look into the alt universe of simply off island? Was rewatching it and noticing mirrors and had me wondering
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Old 05-24-2010, 03:23 PM   #1603
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'immortal richard' isn't immortal anymore. He got his first grey hair before they left, and made the comment about how he wanted to live. Figure he probably lived the rest of his life off the island and died of old age.
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Old 05-24-2010, 03:45 PM   #1604
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What happened to the numbers actually meaning something?

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Old 05-24-2010, 04:17 PM   #1605
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the numbers corresponded to candidates on the lighthouse wheel.

Richard did indeed become mortal again, as the island lost is power.

I wonder at what point Jack and Hurley gain powers...like seemed the same to me. WHen did they get Mystical Jacob powers? Hurley would totally recreate star wars
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I wouldn't overestimate Jacob's powers. I think they have an overall commune with The Island that allows them to set rules, but I don't think they are all powerful.
Keep in mind that Jacob was mortal, and the only things we ever saw him do was have the ability to not age, and share that ability, and also touch people to bring to the island.
It's not like he was shooting lightning out of his fingertips, so I wouldn't expect Jack to be doing those things either.
Jack seemed like he was slowly coming to understand his abilities. I think that was the point of showing him standing in the water letting it sink in. He even admitted he wasn't exactly sure what's different. Yet he was instantly able to arrive at the light source, and seemed to have stronger instincts. That's probably the deal. You grow into it, I guess. Jacob didn't seem any different once he drank the wine.
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'immortal richard' isn't immortal anymore. He got his first grey hair before they left, and made the comment about how he wanted to live. Figure he probably lived the rest of his life off the island and died of old age.
Damn I must of missed the part about Richard greying. Frank's chest hair and new bad ass too good for the walkie talkie I've got a plane to fly attitude stole every scene he and Richard had together.

He was the only character on the show other than Michael that I hoped would get killed off.
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Maybe I missed this.

At the end how did Jack end up in the bamboo jungle or whatever it's called?
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Speaking of Michael and why he never got a bigger part than just a token appearance as a ghost, could these comments from 2008 after Michael was blown up have made the producers leery on using him?

Listen, if I'm being really candid, there are all these questions about how they respond to black people on the show. Sayid gets to meet Nadia again, and Desmond and Penny hook up again, but a little black boy and his father hooking up, that wasn't interesting? Instead, Walt just winds up being another fatherless child. It plays into a really big, weird stereotype and, being a black person myself, that wasn't so interesting.
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Maybe I missed this.

At the end how did Jack end up in the bamboo jungle or whatever it's called?
He walked
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Old 05-24-2010, 04:59 PM   #1611
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How did he get out of the cave? Wasn't there only one way in and out?
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Old 05-24-2010, 05:04 PM   #1612
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When he turned the light on, he was left in it.
That was what they were afraid would kill him.

It teleported him to an exit though. It's just sort of a metaphysical thing, like how the donkey wheel makes you end up somewhere when turned.
In fact, he ended up in the same place I think MIB ended up after he went into the light cave.
You just come out somewhere in the nearby jungle.
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Old 05-24-2010, 05:21 PM   #1614
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Just finished watching the finale about an hour ago. I've spent the last 30 mins reading through this thread while listening to the Lost soundtrack and bawling like a baby. That ending was so beautiful. I loved all the nods at some of the earlier big moments of the show. I really can't believe it is over, I'm such a f'n wreck right now. I've got to suck it up before my room mate comes home and sees me this way.
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Old 05-24-2010, 05:27 PM   #1615
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He woke up on a tree, in the same spot as MIBs body was when it was cast out of the hole hwen he became smokie.
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Old 05-24-2010, 05:29 PM   #1616
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I just rewatched it.

it just now sunk in with jacks goodbyes. Like they all know he is dying. He knows it. Even Sawyer and Jack make peace and finally connect in a sense. jack and kate say goodbye forever. Hurleys goodbye was touching too. And then to finish it off with Desmond. Wow.
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Maybe I missed this.

At the end how did Jack end up in the bamboo jungle or whatever it's called?
Also, in the beginning of the episode Jack described the light as being near the bamboo field by their beach
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Amazing!!! cant believe ive been so upset over this show ending, even getting a little leaky eyed but i thought it was done perfectly
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I watched the pilot just a while ago. It's a whole new experience going back to the start
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Im very happy Desmond played a big role in the end game of Lost. From the moment he appeared in Season 2, something about him just made him my favorite character.

I know he didnt ultimately save the day (that could only have been Jack's job), but Jack couldnt have done it without him.
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It brings Desmond's whole "See you in another life brother" exchange with Jack full circle as well. I kinda want to re- watch the earlier seasons just to see if I can pick up on the foreshadowing and build with the characters.
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Wow amazing. Dunno how anyone who called themself a Lost fan couldn't love this ep. So many great moments. Hurley's barely-concealed glee at seeing Charlie again. Sun and Jin getting enlightened. Locke's line to Jack after becoming enlightened. Locke and Ben outside the church. The reunion in the church. The final scene. Lord, the final scene. Damn near teared up so many times.

The enlightenment "montages" were a fantastic way to take us back through the series. Brilliant.
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You're exactly right. But there was definitely a point during this season and particularly the last episode that made me think they were leaving the door open.

As far as the writers... I also remember them saying that the island wasn't hell or purgatory, but it sort of seemed that way to me. LOL! And if it came down to them letting some hack bastardize the show and make a shitty movie or them stepping in reluctantly to do it, I think they'd jump in.
Just had to pull this from up above cause I just read it..

Just to be clear, you're not assuming the island was purgatory/hell, right? Because it wasn't. Everything on the island was real. It happened. The alt-reality they showed however, was sort of a purgatory of sorts.
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That was a mind blowing 2.5 hours finale. I was satisfied on every level. I was so happy to see Shannon back, I loved her.

Great great great ending. I cried a ton through out the episode.

BTW reason why Michael wasn't there is explained earlier in the season his soul is forever trapped on the Island, he can never move on, ever. That's way you don't even get a glimpse of him in the Flash Sideways verse.
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Incredible.

I might have been one of the people expressing frustration with earlier episodes in this season, but in terms of the character stories ending I couldn't be much happier. I got goose-pimples/chills on a number of occasions - especially with the enlightenment scenes - and welled up on one or two occasions.

For people questioning if the plane got off the island...it did.

Christian tells Jack that "some of them died before you, some long after". Kate tells Jack she missed him. This is because Jack died on the island, Kate left on the plane to live a full life in the real world. If she died at 80 she wouldn't have seen Jack for a good 50ish years. That's why she missed him.

Was Hurley wearing a Jacob-esque shirt during that church scene?
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So why isnt Libby trapped?
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I notice Hurley was much more confident a person in the afterlife, probably due to hi many years ruling the island with Ben.
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I don't understand people saying there wasn't much of a ending for the island reality.
We got to see them go into the heart of it, which was an awesome location. We saw the final fight between Jack and The Smoke Monster, and the event of the Island being destroyed once and for all (until Jack saved it).
We also saw a new Jacob crowned, and everyone trapped there set free.

I don't know what more people could have wanted from the Island. We got so much from season to season, and I think they really saved the most epic, conclusive stuff for last.
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Old 05-25-2010, 09:28 AM   #1635
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Some people just had unrealistic high expectations of having EVERY question answered, which will not happen on pretty much any show ever, let alone Lost. People wanted every possible question answered, even the most obscure ones. There's no time for that. The show has always been about the characters, with the island secondary.

A lot of questions that went unanswered were because they came from other questions. With some questions that did get answered a lot of the hardcore Lost theorists refused to believe or thought there had to be more to. At that point it's just getting ridiculous.

I can honestly say now that I know pretty much all there is to know about the survivors. The Island? Not so much, but isn't that the point?
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Actually this season really delivered huge on the island and the mythology. If you think about it, Jacob and MIB were only introduced officially in the Season 5 finale.
We had heard about Jacob before that, and we had seen MIB but we didn't know when and why it was him.

This season we found out massive things, like what the smoke monster is, and that he was a conscious character all along. I think that has a huge positive impact on the show. He's among the greatest villains ever.
The Lighthouse, and the cave, and all the locations involving Jacob and the Candidates were amazing.
There was a Black Rock and Richard backstory.
We learned the reason why the survivors were on the island all along, and that the island is both a way of protecting the world from evil, and a hiding place of a mystical lifeforce in the world.
I'm not sure why some people still say "what is The Island?" You put it well FearedSanctity. We don't know much more than that, but isn't that the point of metaphysical/supernatural things? It's so much better being given a good explanation of what it's all about, and why it matters, but not much more than that.

That stuff is all awesome. I think some of the fans who complain for more answers probably don't realize how far the show has come from week to week. Just last season they were still answering questions about the Dharma Initiative and The Others.
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I agree with Jeritron. ALot of complaints have been the show abandoned the mythology of the show during the season and especially in the finale.

I dont know how you can say that is true when you have Desmond and Jack descending into this cave with a glowing pond, skeletons of those who tried this previously, and a literal cork in the heart of the Island.

I know we didnt get a history of who built the temples/statues, etc, but I think you can theorize yourself enough on it.

I also love that the Island is just going to keep on being the Island, and that future visitors will see the remnants of 815 and wonder what happened to those people and who were they.
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Yea, I also noticed that. When answers would come, there'd be 50 more questions about it.
I think a big part of that is because a lot of the mysteries extended for multiple seasons, so the eventual answers were hyped to mythic status in minds. When the answer would come, they'd expect some monumental long winded explanation, but a lot of times all it required was an abrupt answer. Some of them hit you right over the head, but that's really all an answer is. All of the things that went into the mystery are the explanation.

Like The Smoke Monster. It perplexed people for years, and then we met this awesome character named MIB. After a few episodes, he says "sorry you had to see me like that." BOOM. It's revealed he's The Smoke Monster, but everyone expects more explanation like that and starts to theorize that it means something else.

I think the same thing happened a couple weeks ago when we saw MIB transformed into the Smoke Monster and there were a wealth of theories about it being someone else set free, and so on.

This theorizing is part what makes the show really fun, and interesting. But I also think it has to do with the unreal expectations and over-analyzing that is bred.
I think a lot of fans got really hung up on that aspect, and lost sight of what was really going on. Theorizing is awesome, but at some point it turns into a general interest in science and prediction/answers, and has nothing to do with the story. That's fine, because who am I to say what they should enjoy, but I'd argue they might not really 'get it.' That sucks too because they obviously missed the point, which was incredibly rewarding in the end.
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Yeah I'm havin a discussion now with a mate of mine who didn't like the ending and feels it made the entire series pointless. His arguments are ridiculous though.

I'm finding it hard to not simply tell him he's an idiot and doesn't understand it all, but that could be pretty ignorant on my part. I've just told him that I feel sorry for him that he couldn't enjoy it because I loved it and it made the show all the better for me.
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I agree with Jeritron. ALot of complaints have been the show abandoned the mythology of the show during the season and especially in the finale.

I dont know how you can say that is true when you have Desmond and Jack descending into this cave with a glowing pond, skeletons of those who tried this previously, and a literal cork in the heart of the Island.

I know we didnt get a history of who built the temples/statues, etc, but I think you can theorize yourself enough on it.

I also love that the Island is just going to keep on being the Island, and that future visitors will see the remnants of 815 and wonder what happened to those people and who were they.

Yea. I loved that stuff. In addition to the stuff I already listed above, We also got The Lighthouse, the rock cave with the chalk names, the skeletons, the donkey wheel explanation. The storm that destroyed the statue.
We learned there was a society there before The Temple people. We learned about Mother.
Probably a ton of stuff I'm also missing right now.

There was a ton of mythology this season. More than any other, I'd argue. Especially the heart of the island location, with the cork in the ground and the skeletons on the floor. I'd argue that could be the single coolest peice of mythology on it's own. Other things were built upon, but seriously on it's own that is so awesome. It's pretty much as far as you can go for showing new, interesting things on the Island. It's the literal core of everything. And tampering with it makes the Island start falling apart and sinking into the ocean forever. That's about as final as you can get.

Season 5 had a lot too, but that was because they knew they were getting towards the end and it was designed to give a lot of backstory through time travel.
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