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Old 05-25-2010, 11:00 AM   #1
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what was the origin of the ship Jacob and MIB's real pregnant mother came on? That was also the same boat that the society MIB joined up with came on, I gathered.
It was around 2000 years ago, so was it Romans or something?

I know they spoke English, but that was obviously to prevent having the entire episode subtitled.
No idea the date...Lostpedia lists it as Classical Roman Times, but not entirely sure.

They seem to pre date the Egyptians coming to the Island, but the cork in the Island seemed to have some hieroglypics on it, so im not entirely sure.

There were some people who thought the Mother time traveled because she could speak English in that episode, ha.
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They were speaking Latin at first and there was an out place music cue and tthey were speaking english. I think it was an out of place piano note or something.

I took that as the director's way of saying "we're not subtitling this whole damn thing, so they'll speak english but they are really speaking latin".
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They were speaking Latin at first and there was an out place music cue and tthey were speaking english. I think it was an out of place piano note or something.

I took that as the director's way of saying "we're not subtitling this whole damn thing, so they'll speak english but they are really speaking latin".
thats exactly what it was, but apparently some people missed that
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Yea, that's a good move by them. You can't really expect the actors to learn new dialects over night and act well in them.

Interesting that the ancient people could be Egyptians on the Island.

I wonder where the cork chamber came from, if it was there before Jacob and MIB even arrived.
Maybe Mother's people? Assuming of course that it's man made. I know it looks definitely man made, but maybe it's just there. Or maybe there was something more natural keeping the light on, and it got fucked with and that scary crack in the ground had to be plugged, and that room was built to fix it.
Sort of like a prehistoric Swan site. Only with The Source, which is more important.

I wouldn't be suprised if that room, and Mother date back to an original, indigenous people.
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See, there's still plenty of cool mythology things, even up through the last episode.
Personally, I'm happy that it's something to still talk about, because it's really not important to answer.
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See, there's still plenty of cool mythology things, even up through the last episode.
Personally, I'm happy that it's something to still talk about, because it's really not important to answer.
I think its great to be left open and talk about. Like discovering the pyramids or the Sphinx and wondering what their purpose was, who built them, how did they build them, etc.
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I also bet they'll give some interesting clues about the cork chamber on the DVD. They've said there will be a 30 +/- minute documentary on the set that "answers" some minor mythology things.
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The inside of The Temple and the Healing Spring were other awesome things introduced this season.
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I was reading the thread over at aintitcoolnews....

Some people saying Walt was the focus of season 2 and couldnt believe he was never resolved. Walt was in like 3 episodes of season 2.

I cant believe some people actually made it through 6 years of this show, and then reacted like they did.
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I like the idea of the stuff built in the Heart of the Island being sort of a man-made correction, a la The Swan site.
I think it's clear that The Heart of the Island is and always was the most important site, and the source of the island. At some point, though, someone probably put that cork there. Maybe there was a natural cork there first.
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I like the idea of the stuff built in the Heart of the Island being sort of a man-made correction, a la The Swan site.
I think it's clear that The Heart of the Island is and always was the most important site, and the source of the island. At some point, though, someone probably put that cork there. Maybe there was a natural cork there first.
The show has done a great job of taking something like the Hatch, and using it as a greater example of another idea in the show.

For instance, Desmond was the fail safe for the Island just as he had turned the fail safe for the Hatch.

I always thought the groups of people killed on the Island over its history was sort of like pushing the button to reset things in the Hatch.

Stuff like that
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I honestly think the importance of Walt is being overblown, by far. Yes, there was definitely something to him, and they may have abandoned it, but it was never even close to the focus of the show, or anything major.
He had strange abilities, but so do Hurley and Miles. I really think it's as simple as that.
He was special, but Ben let him go because he needed Jack, so he could save his own ass from cancer.
It's really as simple as that.

Actually, that's probably what that guy was getting at, but he's missing the point. Walt was being held hostage by The Others so they could rescue Ben, and so Ben could get Jack's services. That doesn't mean the season was about Walt though, or even that he was important. He was being used as a tool by Ben because he was a child and he could manipulate Michael.
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It really seems like some people have been so eager to be let down by this. They would really prefer a National Geographic episode of how everything on the island works as opposed to the story of Lost.
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So true. Speaking of that, there's actually a great Unsolved Mysteries type mockumentary about the Dharma Initiative, from the real world's blurred perspective as if it were real, on the Season 5 DVD set.

There's also an Oceanic 6 conspiracy mockumentary, that exposes the shady facts about the group from the mainland's perspective. That's on the season 4 dvd set.
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That Oceanic 6 mockumentary is brilliant.

I have to wonder how a lot of the moaners have watched the show. For example, I have watched since day 1...well, since it debuted on Channel 4 over here in the UK. I've then gone out of my way to watch every episode as soon as possible through downloads or streaming sites. I also have seasons 1 -5 on DVD and watched them all through again ahead of season 6. In the end I was happy with the finale.

Now, my friend, who got into the show on my insistence, watched all of the DVDs back-to-back in a span of less than 6 months. He didn't like the ending.

Was he spoiled in watching on DVD? Did he not get the same level of commitment to the show/connection with the characters as those who have watched for the last 6 years?
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That Oceanic 6 mockumentary is brilliant.

I have to wonder how a lot of the moaners have watched the show. For example, I have watched since day 1...well, since it debuted on Channel 4 over here in the UK. I've then gone out of my way to watch every episode as soon as possible through downloads or streaming sites. I also have seasons 1 -5 on DVD and watched them all through again ahead of season 6. In the end I was happy with the finale.

Now, my friend, who got into the show on my insistence, watched all of the DVDs back-to-back in a span of less than 6 months. He didn't like the ending.

Was he spoiled in watching on DVD? Did he not get the same level of commitment to the show/connection with the characters as those who have watched for the last 6 years?
I don't think the method of watching the show really matters, or how long ago you got into it.

I'm like you and have watched it from day one on Channel 4 and have each series on DVD, and I have gotten many of my friends into it at various different times, some of them loved the finale, some of them didn't.

Also, I may be wrong but Jeritron didn't you only begin watching Lost at a later point yet loved the finale? EDIT: you got in there before me
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I watched seasons 1-4 on DVD, and all of season 5 online in a short time period last summer.
I watched Season 6 in it's original airings this season.
I got into the show on a big level, and enjoyed the finale immensely.

So I don't think it's a matter of when or in what format the show was viewed. Some probably didn't gain the same level of connection the characters and material, but that's probably more a personal thing than when they watched the episodes.
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I actually watched seasons 1 and 2 in the summer of 2008, but got sidetracked with work and school and stopped. Once I got out of the flow, it took a while before I sat down and watched seasons 3-5, but I got incredibly into it at that point.
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I also watched the entire show, seasons 1-5 through a second time when I was on medical hiatus in the fall. I watched the pilot again last night, and I think I'm going to watch through again over the course of the summer, because I think it will be pretty awesome now that the show is over.
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I'm beginning to think I want to build up my Lost merchandise a bit more. I really want some deviantart style pictures on canvas on my wall
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I have a few things I got as gifts from my brother (who I converted to a fan) this past christmas.
I have a Ben Linus bobblehead, a mini poster, and a framed Oceanic Flight 815 Boarding Pass for James "Sawyer" Ford.
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You can get them for any character who was on 815, I think.
I kinda wish it was Jack or Locke now, but it's still awesome regardless. Sawyer's one of my favorite characters too.
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I've got a bunch of the action figures, a DHARMA mug (one of which I was happy to see Rose drinking out of in the finale), couple of posters, the board game, the Via Domus video game, the DVDs, the Bad Twin book and my favourite of all...
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I want to play the video game. I never have. I've heard it's not a great game by conventional standards, but fun if you're a lost fan.
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Where the hell is Jon Kano? I hope it's that The Island isn't done with him, rather than him being done with The Island.
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:49 PM   #26
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Yeah, pretty easy too. Some of the fake voiceover's are good, some of them are ass terrible.
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Now that Lost is over, I think there may be oppurtunity there to produce something like a Lost video game that has more official involvement, and higher quality.
Not much of the Lost cast is out of the realm of possibility of doing videogame voice work.

I don't know what they'd do though. Hopefully not a continuation of any kind, but an inner-quel, if that's even a term.
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About the bomb - If Jacob protected them from killing themselves, perhaps that could be what happened with the bomb? SOMETHING happened to protect them.
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It's interesting to ponder where Mother's lineage started. Was she the first protector? Or were there protectors before her?
This is likely where the traces of human presence in The Heart of The Island come from. Same lineage. Probably extremely ancient, like Neolithic/Stonehenge era stuff. They probably put those things there the same time the "divine" order of The Island that Mother and Jacob carry on started.

The skeletons are probably people that tried to get in, or people who died when that whole deal started.

At some point a protector and that lineage had to originate. Since they have had godly powers, it's better not shown, but it has to be some kind of religious type thing. Like some physical representation of The Island, as if it were god or something. At some point it had to communicate and bestow power. Pretty much like Biblical stuff, just it's own theology. That's really why it's all better left to the imagination. There's no way to effectively touch on that material, other than just chalking The Island up as God-like, and Mother/Jacob's lineage as saint like, or whatever. Glad it's open, but still interesting.
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Cool writeup from someone who worked on the show...

http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.co...on-finale.html
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Cool writeup from someone who worked on the show...

http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.co...on-finale.html
A lot of what this guy says about the story and such, I agree with, but as far as the stuff he claims to be in-the-know about by being an employee, he's bullshitting.
I read a USA Today article a week ago in which Lindelof and Cuse talk about how they (those 2) decided upon the final scene early in the second season.
This guy claims it was written at the same time as the pilot and was "JJ's ending."

I'll take the word of the show's creators and USA Today on that. Especially considering they'd be inclined to claim they came up with it earlier than season 2 if they were bullshitting.
This guy is probably just a knowledgeable fan who wants to convince other fans of things.

It's also pretty much common knowledge that the pilot and the first few episodes were approached with the general idea of the show, and key elements of mythology introduced, but for the most part they were still working out where they were going, and they were buying time by laying some basic groundwork before getting into that stuff.
It's been known all over the place since early on.
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Just thinking of some other answers we got from the show...

In Flashes Before Your Eyes, Eloise tells Desmond going to the Island and pushing the button will be the most important thing he ever does...Some questioned why she would say that when it leads to Daniel dying, but...

The answer is two fold...
1) Its his forgetting to push the button that brings the plane there, and ultimately Jack who saves the Island...

2) It allowed him to experience the electromagnetism for the first time, preparing him for removing the cork from the Island, helping Jack with number 1.
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It's probably 2001ish where the first person to come across the island felt a "calling" towards the light and when he went down there he became Jacob 0. Maybe that was Mother. Maybe that was Mother's mother.
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Yea but there's also what seems to be pretty primative manmade architecture down there. Maybe the first people there felt that calling, and some of them died constructing some things around the light.
The light definitely had to be there originally. Maybe they just built around it and put a cork in the ground to fix a problem.

Or maybe it was just there miraculously. I don't think it's advanced enough that someone had to build it, but the cork just looks rounded off and carved.
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Like I said, I think The Island and its light were around long before Mother and long after Hurley.

The show is just looking at a specific point in Island history, and reveals to us only the points that were relevant to the story of the main characters.
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I wonder when and why Hurley and Linus stopped running the island and died.
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I wonder when and why Hurley and Linus stopped running the island and died.
Im going to assume Hurley didnt make Ben ageless like Richard so he probably died of old age. Hurley probably eventually just felt like it was time to stepdown.

They werent paired alot during the series, but throughout the run of Lost Ben and Hurley did have some nice moments together.
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Im going to assume Hurley didnt make Ben ageless like Richard so he probably died of old age. Hurley probably eventually just felt like it was time to stepdown.

They werent paired alot during the series, but throughout the run of Lost Ben and Hurley did have some nice moments together.
Just think of the wealth of pop culture references Hurley must have up his sleeve after a lenghty tenure as the island protector.
We know Jacob could travel to the mainland on business.
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Just think of the wealth of pop culture references Hurley must have up his sleeve after a lenghty tenure as the island protector.
We know Jacob could travel to the mainland on business.
I cant imagine the Island not being ultimately more fun with Hurley in charge
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