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Old 05-25-2010, 06:01 PM   #1
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Their scene together in the afterlife rules out any attempts by Ben to overthrow him, or kill him. Which is nice considering that's something the old Ben would have probably tried to do (and did do to Jacob).
They look back on their tenure with warm feelilngs it seems, at least of eachother. In a way, serving The Island and Hurley that way was probably healing for Linus, who had a checkered past and did some horrible things.
It's perfect that he stayed and did good for The Island, since it was all he had.
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Old 05-25-2010, 06:09 PM   #2
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i like how ben stayed back presumably to be with alex
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He stayed back to "work some things out." That could include being with Alex and Rosseau, but it generally means that even though he was welcome inside the church (heaven), he decided to think about what he'd done in life and wait outside the gates for a while.
That ending for Ben is perfect to me, since he clearly did some evil things, but ultimately wasn't an evil person. He did some redeeming things towards the end of the series, and presumably gave a life of pure service to Hurley and The Island afterwards.
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Old 05-25-2010, 06:23 PM   #4
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Im not sure there are any characters or character arcs in this story I was disappointed in.
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Old 05-25-2010, 06:28 PM   #5
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In the afterlife timeline, most of the characters appeared to be better people than they were in life.
Kate was an innocent fugitive, Linus was a teacher, Sawyer was a cop, etc.
I think this was to show who they were. They were essentially still the same, but without the negative things of the world that shaped them into the complicated, morally ambiguous characters that they were in life. It was almost like showing who they were in their hearts without being "lost."
This goes for everyone. The events of their purgatory/alt universe lives represented a world where things were better for them, but was essentially working out the problems of their other life.
That's why I think Sun and Jin were unmarried (all their early marriage problems), and Jack had a son (father issues), and Locke was in a wheelchair learning to let go of punishing himself for what he did to his father (rather than be punished in a wheelchair for what his father did to him).
Even Desmond was spending some time, with Widmore as a father figure, before he was enlightened.
Faraday was a musician, which was what he wanted to be before his mother forced him into physics.
The list goes on really.

Very cleverly crafted.
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I know some people didnt like the Sayid-Shannon connection, but to me Nadia represented too much of who Sayid was and what he had done in his past. Shannon was his clean slate, his new beginning.

In his FS, even though he loved Nadia, he wasnt with her because he knew he shouldnt be.
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I agree with that. I think Nadia was something he was chasing within himself. He'd known her his entire life, since they were children. I think that's what he was chasing. His innocence before he entered a life of being a killer and hating himself for it.
I think in the alternate universe he learned to let go of Nadia. Even there, it wasn't meant to be.

I think it was written that way for a reason. It's not like they couldn't have put him with Nadia. Desmond was with Penny, and Penny wasn't part of the crew really.
Boone was there alone, so it's not like Shannon needed to be with Sayid to be there. Just because they had a romantic past didn't mean she had to be with him, because other characters had meaningless flings.
I think it was to prove Shannon and Sayid had love, but Sayid and Nadia was a part of Sayid's character that he needed to let go.
He also joined MIB under the prospect of seeing Nadia, and ultimately couldn't bring himself to kill Desmond, and broke that pact. Getting over Nadia was a big part of his character this season.
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I agree with that. I think Nadia was something he was chasing within himself. He'd known her his entire life, since they were children. I think that's what he was chasing. His innocence before he entered a life of being a killer and hating himself for it.
I think in the alternate universe he learned to let go of Nadia. Even there, it wasn't meant to be.

I think it was written that way for a reason. It's not like they couldn't have put him with Nadia. Desmond was with Penny, and Penny wasn't part of the crew really.
Boone was there alone, so it's not like Shannon needed to be with Sayid to be there. Just because they had a romantic past didn't mean she had to be with him, because other characters had meaningless flings.
I think it was to prove Shannon and Sayid had love, but Sayid and Nadia was a part of Sayid's character that he needed to let go.
He also joined MIB under the prospect of seeing Nadia, and ultimately couldn't bring himself to kill Desmond, and broke that pact. Getting over Nadia was a big part of his character this season.
Well put. It wasnt just a random lets put these two together as many are trying to make it out to be. I think there was some definite thought to his FS and really everybody's FS.
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I'd rather spend eternity with Shannon too
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I'm going to merge this thread with the main Lost thread later tonight, just to keep things together.
Nothing should change, other than this stuff just being tacked onto the end of the other thread in chronological order.

Just figured I'd put the word out ahead of time so nobody is wondering where the thread went.
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Although she was a roaring bitch in the first season. Kinda turned me on though
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I've been on vacation, so I just had a chance to read this thread. I loved the finale. I thought the ending was phenomenal. My heart was literally racing through that whole scene with Christian and Jack. It was incredible. It was everything I could of hoped for with an ending to this show. I shed tears a couple times during the 2 and a half hours.

Also, whomever had Vincent lay down next to Jack as he was dying should be given an Academy Award (or whatever the TV one is) just for getting that in. I love dogs, so watching that scene was pretty emotional for me.

I will admit the ending confused me. Reading the posts in here clarified a lot for me. At first I thought everyone died when the plane crashed and the whole series was just the island giving everyone a 2nd chance to correct some things or to finish unfinished business. The reason I thought this was because they showed the plane crash during the credits, but without any human soul there. So I was like, "wtf, did everyone die right there?"

So was the afterlife just Jack's afterlife? I really have to watch the episode over. Jimmy Kimmel showed that scene in the first episode of the season when Rose told Jack "It's ok to let go now." And he said that's where Jack passed on. Makes sense I guess

Anyway, looking back, I don't think there will ever another show that will capture my heart quite like this one. It just had so much depth to it and really made you think. From the character stories to the mysteries of the island to the action and adventure. It was a hell of a journey

I knew this show was going to be something special six or seven years ago when I watched the pilot and it has lived up to all my expectations.
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Ugh so many disgustingly great little moments in the ep.

-Ben's perfectly Ben-ish sound when Sawyer elbowed him in the face and took his gun
-Locke and Jack staring down the waterfall as a callback to the hatch
-Sawyer's line "That's a helluva long con, doc".
-"Bass player. Wake me up for show"
-"Thank you" "It's just a blanket."
-"I'm fine. Find me some thread and I can count to 5"
-The smile on Jin's face upon meeting Detective Ford, LAPD, followed by his sly "Hello....Detective"
-Sawyer's slight nod to Jack on their final island goodbye
-Jack's lack of an answer to Kate's "Tell me I'm going to see you again"
-"I'll see you in another life, brother"
-Locke's inflection on the line "Well if it helps, I forgive you". Just absolutely perfect.
-The joy in Ben's voice upon greeting Hurley outside the church
-Jack waking up the same place MIB did after being expelled from the cave
-The multiple faiths featured in the stained glass church window
-"Then how are you here right now?" Deep sigh "How are YOU here right now?"
-The meeting of Boone and Jack in the church
-The shot of Jack's shoe, still hanging where it was in the pilot

Incredible. Wanna go back and watch the whole series again.
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Terry O'Quinn meant volumes to this show. He played not only one, but two incredible characters.
The other guy who played MIB in his true form was great too, but Terry O'Quinn was huge in making MIB one of the greatest villains ever.
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Yeah, just the fact that he played two very different (in my opinion) characters so well in the show, is enough for me to give him the nod as one of the most impressive performances of the show. He made us love him as John Locke, rooting for him to be right the whole time, and then made us loathe him as it became clear what an evil person the MIB was.
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Not gonna lie, I shed a tear.
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Old 05-24-2010, 12:02 AM   #28
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I shed many a tear, and the Charlie-Claire one was probably the best scene of the night.
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Old 05-24-2010, 12:40 AM   #29
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Yeah, Charlie/Claire and Sun/Jin had me really choking up.
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:17 AM   #30
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It was a brilliant finale on so many levels. It gave us one final twist that completely defined the alt. universe as such an amazing portion to the story/ending.
I can't wait to go back and watch it again and notice things. I just thought about how awesome it was that when they all went in the church to move on, Ben opted to sit and wait outside and think about what he'd done.

The Jack arch completion was unreal. Perfect. I love that his last act was the ultimate "I need to fix things." I love that it didn't happen right away when he put the stone back either, and it sort of made you wonder if his destiny was going to be fufilled. Then the light came on and the water poured over him.
When I saw him stumbling into the bamboo area it hit me how perfect it was going to be. Having him see the plane getting away and the eye closing were the two perfect final strokes.

MIB's plan ultimately succeeding, but costing him his powers long enough for him to get killed. Genius.

I love that the Island continued on with Hurley and Ben. Hurley wasn't exactly the person I figured would get left in charge of the island, but since they didn't show much after that point, it wasn't really major, so in that respect it was a good choice. Jack always liked and trusted him. Ben belonged on the island, so having him stay and help was another great choice.
Kate and Sawyer leaving was important seeing as they lived. I felt one of them taking over wouldn't have been as good. Sawyer is a bit too hard, and Jack knowing Kate got to go home was a big part of his ending.

And it was awesome how many great lines and shots were incorporated naturally to pay tribute the series as a whole.
Jack and Fake Locke looking down the waterfall as it panned like the hatch at the end of Season 1 was immense. Tons of great lines and sayings from the show got worked in.

Even the enlightenment scenes in the afterlife were a clever device to revisit past moments in the finale, while coming naturally the story and not serving like a clip show/nostalgia fest.

Just generally thought it was great in every way. Better than I'd even expected really. Finales are usually disappointing in some way, and even though I had faith in this one it was a concern.
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Old 05-25-2010, 05:32 PM   #31
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I'm writing my final thoughts on the episode and series as a whole, its not done yet and I'm tired.

Why the fuck did someone make a fucking separate thread for the finale? I know there is nothing really wrong with it but this whole thread was for and about LOST, kinda wanted it to end with it and it all be in one together, oh well.

Will post my thoughts tomorrow.
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Old 05-25-2010, 05:38 PM   #32
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The finale is a pretty big event. I don't think it's so crazy for it to have it's own thread.
I've been planning on merging it with this one soon anyways. I was just giving it a day or two.
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Old 05-25-2010, 05:50 PM   #33
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OK cool I think it's a good idea since I wanted to request this thread for archiving. It's a good example of what fandom and community can accomplish here.

But yeah, in short before I finish my review - I was blown away, cried three times, a bit miffed with the final scene and meaning but overall loved and thought it was a fucking great finale.
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Old 05-25-2010, 09:03 PM   #34
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I think without Smokey there, he would have freedom to be a bit more casual about it. Smokey was also the reason Jacob kept the island continually populated with potential candidates, so that when MIB found a loophole there would be someone who could take his place.
That's where most of the conflict came from. The different people on the island and MIB's antics.
I'd imagine Hurley's version of the island would probably involve keeping The Light and Island hidden, and a lot of people who aren't so salty.
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Old 05-25-2010, 09:05 PM   #35
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I do have a question. When all the characters had thier little flashback moments in the finale, was that basicaly symbolizing them coming to terms with thier lives and letting go? And so they were ready to move on? And I am assuming that since purgatory really has no "time," it's not like they all let go within 2 hours of each other, right?
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I do have a question. When all the characters had thier little flashback moments in the finale, was that basicaly symbolizing them coming to terms with thier lives and letting go? And so they were ready to move on? And I am assuming that since purgatory really has no "time," it's not like they all let go within 2 hours of each other, right?
They all wouldn't be ready to move on without each other, so I imagine this purgatory went on at once, like he said with no concept of time. They just needed someone to help them come together
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Old 05-25-2010, 09:49 PM   #38
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To all those who say the show was always about the characters, and that is why the finale was all about the characters. The Island was just as much of a character as the rest, and it got shafted. All I'm saying.
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How did The Island get shafted? Half of the finale was dedicated to the conflict of the Island, and that conflict including stopping it from sinking to the bottom of the ocean and stopping The Smoke Monster from getting away.
There was tons of Island stuff. They went to the center of the goddamn thing and saved it.
And it got appointed a guardian that ensured a peaceful and continued existence for it.
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WHich is why in the afterlife she doesnt want Daniel to go...she finally had him back.
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