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Old 07-20-2007, 02:01 AM   #1801
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Yeah Vick obvs isn't on a level with say Manning or Brady, but he's not horrible by any stretch. I'd say he's above-average.
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Old 07-20-2007, 08:03 AM   #1803
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Leonard Little was Drunk driving and killed someone. While Horrible, he wasnt Malicious, he was negligent.

Vick bred dogs to kill, and if they wouldnt fight, killed them in the most horrible way you could kill an animal. He deserves to rot.

The difference comes down to this....

The Noxema Chick Ran over a kid because she was on her cell phone, a mistake, but she is far above OJ, who slaughtered his wife and makes jokes about it.

Negligence vs Malicious Intent
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Old 07-20-2007, 08:06 AM   #1804
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I also think that a message needs to be sent. Athletes are larger than life celebrities and they think that they can get away with anything. You give them an inch and they are going to take a mile. It has been constantly escalating for the last few years. Now we are at a point with 50 arrests in an offseason and a fucking dog fighting ring. What is next? Running man? Goodell needs to BAN Vick if he is convicted.

If Pete rose can be banned for GAMBLING, Vick needs to be banned for this. He has sent a message with Tank and Pacman, Vick needs to follow.
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Honestly, I would not allow Michael Vick to ever suit up for a NFL Team again.
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Forget about the whole dog thing. Vick should be suspended for life just for being that stupid to begin with. 100 million dollar contract and another 100 mill for endorsements and you're fighting dogs for at the most 20grand.

What a fucking retard.
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One word seems it up for Vick ''greed''
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The Noxema Chick Ran over a kid because she was on her cell phone, a mistake, but she is far above OJ, who slaughtered his wife and makes jokes about it.
OJ was guilty?

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I also think that a message needs to be sent. Athletes are larger than life celebrities and they think that they can get away with anything. You give them an inch and they are going to take a mile.
and how does this differ from movie/tv stars? or music stars? or poloticians? the list goes on... It's not just athletes it's people with money or fame in general and the reason they get away with it is people let them.


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Now we are at a point with 50 arrests in an offseason and a fucking dog fighting ring. What is next? Running man?
huh? how did we get into Ahhhnold movies? lay off the caffene kid!


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Goodell needs to BAN Vick if he is convicted.
Well, if convicted he'll probably be going to jail for awhile... unless of course he works a plea and gives up info on bigger people to get himself out of jail, either way if convicted I don't think Goodell will need to do much, I think it will take care of itself.


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If Pete rose can be banned for GAMBLING,
Ok, wait, stop, stop, stop... you understand these are two different sports right? Baseball and Football have no connection except both being a sport. Football suspended and basiclly ended the career of a guy with potential to be a top 10 all-time running back for smoking weed, baseball celebrated guys who used steroids. Rose was banned for betting on his own games as a manager, trust me... if an NFL coach was caught betting on his own team they'd be gone. Actually, if I recall the NFL has some very strict gambling laws, that actually prevents NFL players from gambling on other sports (I don't recall it ever actually being enforced)
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One word seems it up for Vick ''greed''
Ya think? ya think he did this all for the money?

Clinton Portis got some flack a few weeks ago (months?) for kinda comming to Vicks aid and talking about it being different where they come from or something like that.... is it possible Vick grew up in a culture where this was accepted and considered sport?

Now, I'm not excusing this in any way... and my favorite stupid comment was someone who said "Well, boxing is legal, it's ok for humans but not dogs?"

umm, yeah, anyone with 1/4 of a brain understands the difference so I won't even get into it.
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biggest loss the Colts have had in a long time. Bigger then any loss the last 5 seasons. Thats a huge blow to the team right there to lose Glenn. Dont know what the Colts will do. Throw Ugoh in the fire and see what he can learn? There's a reason why Manning gets sacked only 12 times a seasons and escapes major injury. Glenn will be missed so bad i cant even measure it right now.
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biggest loss the Colts have had in a long time. Bigger then any loss the last 5 seasons. Thats a huge blow to the team right there to lose Glenn. Dont know what the Colts will do. Throw Ugoh in the fire and see what he can learn? There's a reason why Manning gets sacked only 12 times a seasons and escapes major injury. Glenn will be missed so bad i cant even measure it right now.

yeah, saw this yesterday and meant to ask you about it.

Is there a story we don't know? I'd just think a long time vet who knows how important he is to the team would have told them before the draft...

Did he have any nagging injuries last year that may not have gone away this off season?
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Old 07-21-2007, 10:57 PM   #1813
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They still have Saturday though
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Old 07-22-2007, 01:36 AM   #1814
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They had made cap room with the Freeney deal with the mindset to lock up Tarik Glenn and Bob Sanders next year. So i'm not really sure what the deal is. I think he was rumored to be looking for retirement after a Superbowl win. Thats what was being talked about a year or two ago. I dont think it's anything as far as a Colts /Glenn relationship. Probably just wanted to retire. Its pretty stunning cause he's only 31 and was about to be paid like one of the highest paid tackles in the league.
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uh-huh....

someone wanna explain to mrs. lacka lack the difference between a Center and an OT especially one who protects the QB's blind side?

I'm not saying a Center isn't important, but saying "they still have Saturday" is like saying "They still have Bob Sanders" has nothing to do with the position of loss, just means they didn't get weak at 2 posistions.
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Old 07-22-2007, 04:43 AM   #1816
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Well you know they do still have Bob Sanders. There is a good chance the Colts will be good this year
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I know the OT is important and its a big loss but they will still have a steady OL.
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/sigh you guys dont know shit about football. When you've had the same Pro Bowler protecting your blind side since you've come into the league, you dont just all of sudden replace that guy and you're fine. Its gunna be difficult.
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I hope Peyton gets sacked 30 times this year.... Especially cause we have to play them. My friend told me some shit about Vick. Hed grab a dog by its hine legs and slam it until it died. If this is true then IDC if he is suspended for life.
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NFL Orders Vick to Stay Out of Camp

NEW YORK (July 23) - Michael Vick was ordered by commissioner Roger Goodell on Monday to stay away from the Atlanta Falcons' training camp until the league reviews the dogfighting charges against him.

"While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football League to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the Personal Conduct Policy," Goodell said in a letter to the quarterback.

The NFL said Vick would still get his preseason pay and Goodell told the Falcons to withhold any disciplinary action of their own until the league's review was completed.

Goodell told Vick the league would complete its review as quickly as possible and that he expected full cooperation. The review is expected to involve conversations with federal law enforcement officials so the NFL can determine the strength of the case against Vick.

The Falcons open camp on Thursday, the same day Vick is scheduled to be arraigned in Richmond, Va., on charges of sponsoring a dogfighting operation.

The team declined comment other than to say a news conference was scheduled Tuesday at owner Arthur Blank's office in Atlanta.

Vick, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2001 draft, last season became the first quarterback ever to rush for more than 1,000 yards.

After his indictment last week, the NFL's position was that it would monitor developments and allow the legal process to "determine the facts."

Since then, pressure has been mounting on the league and the Falcons, particularly from animal-rights groups.

PETA - People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals - demonstrated at Falcons' headquarters in Flowery Branch, Ga., on Monday and did the same outside NFL offices in New York last week. At the same time, Goodell was meeting with officials from the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. The league and the ASPCA are working on a program to educate players about the proper treatment of animals.



Vick was indicted on charges relating to illegal dogfighting, and the court documentation paints a gruesome picture of the face of the Falcons.

Activists also put pressure on companies that have endorsements deals with Vick to sever their ties. Nike said it would not release a fifth signature shoe, the Air Zoom Vick V, this summer. Nike spokesman Dean Stoyer said the four shoe products and three shirts that currently bear Vick's name will remain in stores.

Goodell's order came down after lengthy discussions involving the league office, the Falcons and the NFL Players' Association. Gene Upshaw, the NFLPA's executive director, was one of the first to side with Goodell when he instituted the strong Personal Conduct Policy after a season of repeated misdeeds by players.

Disciplining players has turned out to be Goodell's main focus since taking over last Sept. 1 for the retired Paul Tagliabue.

Since the end of last season, he has used the new policy to suspend Adam "Pacman" Jones of the Tennessee Titans for the entire 2007 season; and Chris Henry of Cincinnati and former Chicago Bear Tank Johnson for eight games each.

Those calling for Vick's suspension have noted that Jones, who faces charges of coercion in Las Vegas stemming from a shooting that left a man paralyzed, wasn't convicted when he was suspended.

However, league officials said there were mitigating circumstances in the Jones case.

In January, he accepted a plea agreement to dismiss public intoxication and disorderly conduct charges in Tennessee if he behaved himself for six months. League officials say that the charges in Las Vegas voided that agreement and were a major factor in his suspension.

The indictment of Vick alleges that about eight young dogs were put to death at his Surry County home after they were found not ready to fight. They were killed "by hanging, drowning and/or slamming at least one dog's body to the ground."


Purses for the fights ranged from hundreds of dollars to the thousands, and participants and spectators often placed side bets on the outcome, according to the indictment

If convicted, Vick and three others charged with him could face up to six years in prison, and $350,000 in fines.
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Old 07-24-2007, 06:55 PM   #1826
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Old 07-24-2007, 07:01 PM   #1827
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Old 07-24-2007, 07:10 PM   #1828
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If they start D.J. Shockley then we might have a chance. Heres my prediction. We will dogmatically own the Rams. We will gently but firmly have our way with them. Although Tory Holt will have his way with our secondary. And Adam Carriker will probably break our QBs pelvis. But anything for a win....I feel super spaced out
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Old 07-24-2007, 07:16 PM   #1829
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Old 07-24-2007, 07:20 PM   #1830
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Dude, are you fucking retarded? Mth, you feel like your whole season revolves against a game against St.Louis, one which you will definitely lose. You won't be able to stop Steven Jackson, OR our passing game. You won't have Vick running either, so just drop it. The Falcons are gonna suck this year, just accept it and move on.
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Old 07-24-2007, 07:31 PM   #1831
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Yeah, the Falcons are going to be awful this year. That team has centered around Michael Vick for years now, and without him Atlanta will be as bland as the Cleveland Browns.
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Old 07-24-2007, 07:43 PM   #1832
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Not only do I not think that will be the Super Bowl, I am willing to bet that at least one of those teams will not even make it to the playoffs.
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Old 07-24-2007, 07:54 PM   #1833
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I hope Peyton gets sacked 30 times this year.... Especially cause we have to play them. My friend told me some shit about Vick. Hed grab a dog by its hine legs and slam it until it died. If this is true then IDC if he is suspended for life.

Yah i seen it. 2sicc
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:51 PM   #1835
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Old 07-24-2007, 10:49 PM   #1836
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Dude, are you fucking retarded? Mth, you feel like your whole season revolves against a game against St.Louis, one which you will definitely lose. You won't be able to stop Steven Jackson, OR our passing game. You won't have Vick running either, so just drop it. The Falcons are gonna suck this year, just accept it and move on.
lol give me a break Sammy, you are arguing with a kid in like 6th grade
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Also, what is so special about St. Louis this year, compared to what they have had the last four years? They look like the exact same team that went 8-8 last year.
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Old 07-24-2007, 10:55 PM   #1838
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Problem is while Harrington will be the likely starter, Falcons fans want it to be 2nd yr QB hometown guy D.J Shockley who has never thrown a pass in the NFL, then there is Chris Redman who is a Louisville product and Petrino might show favortism there.
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Old 07-25-2007, 01:39 AM   #1839
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Also, what is so special about St. Louis this year, compared to what they have had the last four years? They look like the exact same team that went 8-8 last year.
Why the fuck do the Rams play in a dome? So retarded
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Im tired of you guys calling me 12. Im 15 in the 10th grade. Im a grown as teenager. And even if the Falcons do suck they'll still be my #1 team. Personally if Petrino makes the right moves we can have some rings. And the only reason I keep hoping we beat the Rams and the Saints is because if we lose Ill have to here "haha we kicked your asses" for a whole year. Thats like the only reason I keep mentioning it. Now Vick has been begging for a WR for a while. He gets Joe Horn and goes and gets indicted for something retarded. I hope he does get to play again. He is fun to watch
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