Premiership Talk - Page 47

**Wengerland** · 05-17-2004, 01:17 PM

Ok,just heard we're releasing 13 players(if you include Izzet,though he will go on a bosman).That includes Freund,Callum Davidson,Impey,Rogers(gone to Forest now),McKinlay,Guppy,Tom Williamson(youngster),Nicolas Priet(another youngster),Paul Murphy(reserve keeper)Sinclair,Junior Lewis and Craig Hignett.

Can't say i'm surprisde about most and if i'm honest i'm not too bothered about losing any of them.Hopefully Gillespie will be added to that list.

Dabizas has been asked to stay but has hinted he'll leave if he gets an offer from a premiership club.

**Mr. Monday Morning** · 05-17-2004, 01:56 PM

Gillespie is available on a free

**Wengerland** · 05-17-2004, 02:25 PM

I can't see any premiership side buying him.Unless we release him i think he could be here for another year.

**packt up** · 05-17-2004, 03:14 PM

Premiership Team of the Year?

Just an interesting take on the BBC for its Premiership team of the Year.

I agree with every single player there

unless someone can mention someone not in the BBC alternatives.

Shearer

**The Mask** · 05-17-2004, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by packt up

Premiership Team of the Year?

Just an interesting take on the BBC for its Premiership team of the Year.

I agree with every single player there

unless someone can mention someone not in the BBC alternatives.

Shearer

I'd have maybe put ronaldo in instead of viera, and put gerrard where viera is

2 defensive midfielders and all.

can't really argue otherwise though.

**Wengerland** · 05-17-2004, 04:17 PM

I don't think Johnson should be an alternative.Probably have Given or someone ahead of Kiely as an alternative also.

The team itself is about right,i would maybe disagree about Lauren but he's had a steady season and i can't think of a right back who's been great this season.

Interesting also that Tim Howard was in the PFA team but didn't make any of the BBC alternatives,let alone the starting position.

**packt up** · 05-17-2004, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WWEngland

I don't think Johnson should be an alternative.Probably have Given or someone ahead of Kiely as an alternative also.

The team itself is about right,i would maybe disagree about Lauren but he's had a steady season and i can't think of a right back who's been great this season.

Interesting also that Tim Howard was in the PFA team but didn't make any of the BBC alternatives,let alone the starting position.

Yeah the fact that a midfielder starts at right back shows the lack of right back talent in this country. Cos I would probably take him over any right back.

**Wengerland** · 05-17-2004, 04:28 PM

Ronaldo should probably be in the alternatives at least,maybe not the starting side.

**Cactus Sid** · 05-17-2004, 06:00 PM

Mackem

({)

Was a foul on the keeper, but I'm glad they scored, for 2 reasons

1) Extra time will be good to watch

2) Jason McAteer is, and always has been, a twat

**packt up** · 05-17-2004, 06:26 PM

And yeah Ronaldo and Tim Howard should probs be amongst the replacements but not in the starting line up.

**Cactus Sid** · 05-17-2004, 06:58 PM

Mackem

Mind you, McAteer deserved to miss, and Whitley.... LOL what a cock. In that circumstance, the fact Vaesen was a mile off his line is irrelevant.

Feel sorry for Mart Poom though.

**The Mackem** · 05-17-2004, 07:11 PM

Just a bit y'know at the moment.

**Cactus Sid** · 05-17-2004, 07:18 PM

The bad thing is next season's gonna be even tougher

**The Mackem** · 05-17-2004, 07:32 PM

It's never an easy league to get out of.

**Dazz** · 05-17-2004, 07:43 PM

yeah that BBC team is probably the best one, much better then the joke of a team which was on the Sports Personality thing.

**Nevermind** · 05-17-2004, 07:49 PM

I hope Kevin Kyle is pleased with himself, though. Letting defenders and kids go up to take the penalties when they shouldn't have been. It shows how much bottle he has. Whitley should've known better than that, though.

McCarthy's reactions says it all really...

**The Mackem** · 05-17-2004, 07:55 PM

Kyle was the youngest (Sunderland) player on the pitch at that point I think.

He's given 100% all season and it wouldn't have gotten down to penalties if it wasn't for his goals so I don't hold anything against him. Plus those defenders took suprisingly good penalties.

**Dazz** · 05-17-2004, 08:03 PM

looks like Wengerland, Hardkore, MMM and the Mackem will be setting up a 'Division one talk' thread next season.

also MMM, I always said that you would finish bottom,

.

**Wengerland** · 05-18-2004, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dazz

looks like Wengerland, Hardkore, MMM and the Mackem will be setting up a 'Division one talk' thread next season.

also MMM, I always said that you would finish bottom,

.

That's the plan.

Just have a nationwide league thread(unless every league is being sponsered by coca cola) because then that includes people who follow lower league teams aswell as premiership,and Ricky,though he could be in the division one talk thing anyway.

Mackem

I honestly didn't want to play you lot next season.

**Paranoid Rattlesnake** · 05-18-2004, 08:00 AM

Hull City Coca Cola Division 2 champions 2004/2005

**Rob Ban Fan** · 05-18-2004, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WWEngland

That's the plan.

Just have a nationwide league thread(unless every league is being sponsered by coca cola) because then that includes people who follow lower league teams aswell as premiership,and Ricky,though he could be in the division one talk thing anyway.

Mackem

I honestly didn't want to play you lot next season.

cant we just have a football talk thread, like this one? Ive never really been bothered about whether people talked about nationwide, FA Cup or the champions league in here, even though its the Premiership Talk thread.

**Dazz** · 05-18-2004, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Ban Fan

cant we just have a football talk thread, like this one? Ive never really been bothered about whether people talked about nationwide, FA Cup or the champions league in here, even though its the Premiership Talk thread.

Yeah I agree. I just wanted to take the piss out of the teams not in the premiership.

Also, when threads get too big do they get deleted off the server? because if so, surely someone should make a new thread.

**Mr. Monday Morning** · 05-19-2004, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dazz

looks like Wengerland, Hardkore, MMM and the Mackem will be setting up a 'Division one talk' thread next season.

also MMM, I always said that you would finish bottom,

.

One of the very few things you've been right about

RBF will also chip in :foc:

**Nevermind** · 05-17-2004, 08:06 PM

To be honest, I'm not too clued up on Sunderland, but I just feel that if you're a forward, you should put yourself forward to take a penalty before a defender. You're a forward, that's what you do. Your job is to score goals, and as a forward, you're meant to practice penalties. In front of that goal, a forward would have a much better mindset than a defender. I agree with you that those defenders took surprisingly good penalties, and I know you can't fault Kyle if he's been outstanding all season, but Whitley's inexperience infront of goal (I think he's a defender, right?) has played a big part in costing you a trip to Cardiff.

You're right not to hold anything against him, as it's all very unfortunate, but you have to question Kyle in not taking a penalty. Even if he'd missed, I doubt he would've wasted it like Whitley did. I think that's why McCarthy was so angry, due to the way the penalty was missed.

Penalties are an awful thing, though. You're always going to have your heroes and villians, but at the end of the day, it's all very unfortunate. I'm sure you don't need me adding to the disappointment of tonight, though, so I'll shush.

**The Mackem** · 05-17-2004, 08:08 PM

Well, it could be worse.

**Nevermind** · 05-17-2004, 08:11 PM

True, you could be Leeds, millions of pounds in debt, all of your best players leaving, etc., etc. Sunderland are a very good side, and they'll be back next year, no doubt about that. You've still had a good year, though, in terms of the FA Cup especially.

**The Mackem** · 05-17-2004, 08:14 PM

Maybe the FA Cup run took it out of usbut I could list 100 ifs and buts right about now. It will feel better in the morning.

**Dazz** · 05-17-2004, 08:23 PM

IF they didn't score in extra time is the main one I suppose. and If Norwich and WBA weren't in the league this season...

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**The Mackem** · 05-17-2004, 08:28 PM

I guess they would be 65 and 79

**Dazz** · 05-17-2004, 08:29 PM

Whats number one?

**The Mackem** · 05-17-2004, 08:42 PM

1) What if we never got relegated in the first place

**Dazz** · 05-17-2004, 08:44 PM

Oh yeah. Is number two if you realised sooner that relying on Phillips is not the way to go?

**The Mackem** · 05-17-2004, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dazz

Oh yeah. Is number two if you realised sooner that relying on Phillips is not the way to go?

It was more a reliance on Quinn

**The Mackem** · 05-17-2004, 08:52 PM

There's other basic stuff as well.

Despite not being world beaters, people put 11 players behind the ball. Of course not being the greatest we couldn't deal with this and couldn't break teams down. The most extreme example of this was WBA at home.

Then there's the usual stuff like injuries to key players like Healy, Arca, Wright, Breen, Piper to an already depleted squad.

I could probably list about 100 things that went against us over the play off games but in the end we just didn't do enough. No mistake about it we would have probably came back down but I'm more bothered about fiannacial security than humiliation at this point. It's possible we could be losing the best of an already not too good team

**Dazz** · 05-17-2004, 08:53 PM

Yeah the finance is a bummer for any team.

Well, except Chelsea at the moment,

**The Mackem** · 05-17-2004, 08:58 PM

Give it time, Sunderland looked financially secure (I know not on the same scale as the big teams in Europe or anything) for a good time. Things change though. One moment you're on top of the world next you're almost f*cked. Leeds being the best example at the moment.

**The Mackem** · 05-17-2004, 09:04 PM

Oh yeah and if I was being picky about tonight, I would have went along the lines of...

If only we held on for a few more minutes

If only the ref had blown for a foul on Poom for their goal

If only the ref had seen some infraction by the opposition goalie

If only Oster's penalty went in off the post

If only the referee had shown some consistency and booked the main person who celebrated in the crowd (Powell)

If only we could make our man advantage pay off

If only Whitley had scored when he was almost clean through on goal

If only the away goal rule was still used in the play offs

Those were the first few that came to mind anyway

That's football though.

**Dazz** · 05-17-2004, 09:08 PM

Yeah they are some pretty good reasons. I think it was a foul, but the keeper did go over easy and I don't think he had it. Regardless to this, I still think it was a foul.

**The Mackem** · 05-17-2004, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dazz

Yeah they are some pretty good reasons. I think it was a foul, but the keeper did go over easy and I don't think he had it. Regardless to this, I still think it was a foul.

At the time I was definite, then I saw it again and thought there was contact but maybe not too much, then the next time I saw what Shipperly done with his feet. I remember Sol Campbell playing for England getting a goal disallowed when Shearer fouled the keeper.

I dunno maybe the ref didn't dare disallow it or something. It was his last game btw umm cheers.

**Ogen** · 05-17-2004, 09:16 PM

F�ck sake Mackem I just made you a thread to cry in then I come in here and find you've been galavanting about the Premiership thread.

05-17-2004, 07:55 PM	#17
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	Kyle was the youngest (Sunderland) player on the pitch at that point I think. He's given 100% all season and it wouldn't have gotten down to penalties if it wasn't for his goals so I don't hold anything against him. Plus those defenders took suprisingly good penalties. Last edited by The Mackem; 05-17-2004 at 08:05 PM.

05-17-2004, 01:17 PM	#1
Wengerland Theo Zagorakis Posts: 7,148	Ok,just heard we're releasing 13 players(if you include Izzet,though he will go on a bosman).That includes Freund,Callum Davidson,Impey,Rogers(gone to Forest now),McKinlay,Guppy,Tom Williamson(youngster),Nicolas Priet(another youngster),Paul Murphy(reserve keeper)Sinclair,Junior Lewis and Craig Hignett. Can't say i'm surprisde about most and if i'm honest i'm not too bothered about losing any of them.Hopefully Gillespie will be added to that list. Dabizas has been asked to stay but has hinted he'll leave if he gets an offer from a premiership club.

05-17-2004, 01:56 PM	#2
Mr. Monday Morning All Part Of The Plan Posts: 12,125	Gillespie is available on a free

05-17-2004, 02:25 PM	#3
Wengerland Theo Zagorakis Posts: 7,148	I can't see any premiership side buying him.Unless we release him i think he could be here for another year.

05-17-2004, 03:14 PM	#4
packt up Posts: 3,460	Premiership Team of the Year? Just an interesting take on the BBC for its Premiership team of the Year. I agree with every single player there unless someone can mention someone not in the BBC alternatives. Shearer

05-17-2004, 04:17 PM	#6
Wengerland Theo Zagorakis Posts: 7,148	I don't think Johnson should be an alternative.Probably have Given or someone ahead of Kiely as an alternative also. The team itself is about right,i would maybe disagree about Lauren but he's had a steady season and i can't think of a right back who's been great this season. Interesting also that Tim Howard was in the PFA team but didn't make any of the BBC alternatives,let alone the starting position.

05-17-2004, 04:28 PM	#8
Wengerland Theo Zagorakis Posts: 7,148	Ronaldo should probably be in the alternatives at least,maybe not the starting side.

05-17-2004, 06:00 PM	#9
Cactus Sid Smashing Blouse Posts: 7,800	Mackem ({) Was a foul on the keeper, but I'm glad they scored, for 2 reasons 1) Extra time will be good to watch 2) Jason McAteer is, and always has been, a twat

05-17-2004, 06:26 PM	#10
packt up Posts: 3,460	And yeah Ronaldo and Tim Howard should probs be amongst the replacements but not in the starting line up.

05-17-2004, 06:58 PM	#11
Cactus Sid Smashing Blouse Posts: 7,800	Mackem Mind you, McAteer deserved to miss, and Whitley.... LOL what a cock. In that circumstance, the fact Vaesen was a mile off his line is irrelevant. Feel sorry for Mart Poom though.

05-17-2004, 07:11 PM	#12
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	Just a bit y'know at the moment.

05-17-2004, 07:18 PM	#13
Cactus Sid Smashing Blouse Posts: 7,800	The bad thing is next season's gonna be even tougher

05-17-2004, 07:32 PM	#14
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	It's never an easy league to get out of.

05-17-2004, 07:43 PM	#15
Dazz IRREPLACEABLE Posts: 11,608	yeah that BBC team is probably the best one, much better then the joke of a team which was on the Sports Personality thing.

05-17-2004, 07:49 PM	#16
Nevermind happily has the one face Posts: 53	I hope Kevin Kyle is pleased with himself, though. Letting defenders and kids go up to take the penalties when they shouldn't have been. It shows how much bottle he has. Whitley should've known better than that, though. McCarthy's reactions says it all really...

05-17-2004, 08:03 PM	#18
Dazz IRREPLACEABLE Posts: 11,608	looks like Wengerland, Hardkore, MMM and the Mackem will be setting up a 'Division one talk' thread next season. also MMM, I always said that you would finish bottom, .

05-18-2004, 08:00 AM	#20
Paranoid Rattlesnake TPWW's OFFICIAL SNAKE Posts: 6,968	Hull City Coca Cola Division 2 champions 2004/2005

05-17-2004, 08:06 PM	#24
Nevermind happily has the one face Posts: 53	To be honest, I'm not too clued up on Sunderland, but I just feel that if you're a forward, you should put yourself forward to take a penalty before a defender. You're a forward, that's what you do. Your job is to score goals, and as a forward, you're meant to practice penalties. In front of that goal, a forward would have a much better mindset than a defender. I agree with you that those defenders took surprisingly good penalties, and I know you can't fault Kyle if he's been outstanding all season, but Whitley's inexperience infront of goal (I think he's a defender, right?) has played a big part in costing you a trip to Cardiff. You're right not to hold anything against him, as it's all very unfortunate, but you have to question Kyle in not taking a penalty. Even if he'd missed, I doubt he would've wasted it like Whitley did. I think that's why McCarthy was so angry, due to the way the penalty was missed. Penalties are an awful thing, though. You're always going to have your heroes and villians, but at the end of the day, it's all very unfortunate. I'm sure you don't need me adding to the disappointment of tonight, though, so I'll shush.

05-17-2004, 08:08 PM	#25
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	Well, it could be worse.

05-17-2004, 08:11 PM	#26
Nevermind happily has the one face Posts: 53	True, you could be Leeds, millions of pounds in debt, all of your best players leaving, etc., etc. Sunderland are a very good side, and they'll be back next year, no doubt about that. You've still had a good year, though, in terms of the FA Cup especially.

05-17-2004, 08:14 PM	#27
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	Maybe the FA Cup run took it out of usbut I could list 100 ifs and buts right about now. It will feel better in the morning.

05-17-2004, 08:23 PM	#28
Dazz IRREPLACEABLE Posts: 11,608	IF they didn't score in extra time is the main one I suppose. and If Norwich and WBA weren't in the league this season... .

05-17-2004, 08:28 PM	#29
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	I guess they would be 65 and 79

05-17-2004, 08:29 PM	#30
Dazz IRREPLACEABLE Posts: 11,608	Whats number one?

05-17-2004, 08:42 PM	#31
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	1) What if we never got relegated in the first place

05-17-2004, 08:44 PM	#32
Dazz IRREPLACEABLE Posts: 11,608	Oh yeah. Is number two if you realised sooner that relying on Phillips is not the way to go?

05-17-2004, 08:52 PM	#34
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	There's other basic stuff as well. Despite not being world beaters, people put 11 players behind the ball. Of course not being the greatest we couldn't deal with this and couldn't break teams down. The most extreme example of this was WBA at home. Then there's the usual stuff like injuries to key players like Healy, Arca, Wright, Breen, Piper to an already depleted squad. I could probably list about 100 things that went against us over the play off games but in the end we just didn't do enough. No mistake about it we would have probably came back down but I'm more bothered about fiannacial security than humiliation at this point. It's possible we could be losing the best of an already not too good team

05-17-2004, 08:53 PM	#35
Dazz IRREPLACEABLE Posts: 11,608	Yeah the finance is a bummer for any team. Well, except Chelsea at the moment,

05-17-2004, 08:58 PM	#36
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	Give it time, Sunderland looked financially secure (I know not on the same scale as the big teams in Europe or anything) for a good time. Things change though. One moment you're on top of the world next you're almost f*cked. Leeds being the best example at the moment.

05-17-2004, 09:04 PM	#37
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	Oh yeah and if I was being picky about tonight, I would have went along the lines of... If only we held on for a few more minutes If only the ref had blown for a foul on Poom for their goal If only the ref had seen some infraction by the opposition goalie If only Oster's penalty went in off the post If only the referee had shown some consistency and booked the main person who celebrated in the crowd (Powell) If only we could make our man advantage pay off If only Whitley had scored when he was almost clean through on goal If only the away goal rule was still used in the play offs Those were the first few that came to mind anyway That's football though.

05-17-2004, 09:08 PM	#38
Dazz IRREPLACEABLE Posts: 11,608	Yeah they are some pretty good reasons. I think it was a foul, but the keeper did go over easy and I don't think he had it. Regardless to this, I still think it was a foul.