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Old 10-24-2014, 06:31 PM   #1
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I don't see any question you can't gleam answers from past posts in this thread. If you're not satisfied with them I honestly can't help you. When you ask why not shut it down, and then posit that we'll never accomplish our goals - what am I supposed to say to that? You seem fairly decided and don't seem to be inquiring from an honest, neutral stance. I can't help that, dude. If you think GG is this stupid thing that will not get anything done, there's nothing I can tell you to change that. I'm not gonna go back and forth over that.

And I can't help but think some of you kinda want me to devolve into this frothing raged gamer you have pictured in your head when you mention GG. All I've ever done in this thread was explain the situation best I can, drop some links, explain the goals and actions, and overall be that GG representative. Your thoughts after all that are well and good, and I even suggested you find another GG peep if you feel my posts were unsatisfactory.

But here's what isn't on the table:
- Me agreeing that GG is 'stupid' and should end outright, at best I could agree that some kind of reboot could be order since the name is tainted possibly beyond repair.
- Being pushed into defending the harassment of Zoe Quinn (or anybody), after already posting we weren't about that.
- Agreeing that Quinn having sex started GG, when I already said it was the press reaction that started the movement in regard to games journalism.

I've made myself available for questions about all of this and I simply can't promise you'd be satisfied with the answers. That's all on you. I can only answer to the best of my ability. And questions that double back on stuff I already covered I just don't have the patience to reiterate. Drave is a good example of somebody asking perfectly fair and honest questions. Don't ask me to respond to loaded questions and statements that ignore past posts.
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Old 10-24-2014, 10:48 PM   #2
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Old 10-25-2014, 01:34 AM   #3
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Anita just tweeted saying IT'S MOSTLY MEN who are into violent gun shootings.. She just lost credibility for GamerGate overall. Fuck this.
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Old 10-25-2014, 01:40 AM   #4
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Old 10-25-2014, 01:43 AM   #5
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Why?! That's like saying, Women aren't violent they don't shoot people. Only men do that.. Then again, women who are in prisons don't exist to her at all. Go figure.

Generalizing harassment or threats of gun violence based on one gender doesn't help either. It's a fucking social issue not a gender based issue. Got it?

Example: I'm a man myself and I Don't own guns and she says that kind of shit in my face, well, she can fuck off. I'm not a gun owner violent shithead am I?

Quote of the day to sum this up: "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. [...] those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis
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Old 10-25-2014, 05:16 AM   #6
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This should destroy her reputation, but she's escaped scrutiny before. I would like to see how her and Jon's move into more mainstream 'critique' will fare for them.
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Old 10-28-2014, 10:19 PM   #7
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Old 10-25-2014, 05:51 AM   #8
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Any SJWs answer to this?
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Old 10-25-2014, 05:54 AM   #9
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Ironically, she forgets that the shooter also killed his MALE friends as well.. Guess she didn't give a shit about that one.
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:12 AM   #10
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Ironically, she forgets that the shooter also killed his MALE friends as well.. Guess she didn't give a shit about that one.
Why would that matter?
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Old 10-25-2014, 10:04 AM   #11
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Why would that matter?
There you see, you don't care if men get shot too. It's only women who are being killed in violence.. So yeah men don't matter. Women ONLY matter... Fucking equality MY ASS SHIT.
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Old 10-25-2014, 10:05 AM   #12
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Why would that matter?
So, I guess if you're saying men don't matter, YOU don't matter if you're a man too.. I guess you won't matter if you're a guy who get shot by other guys too. Fucking idiot.
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Old 10-25-2014, 05:58 AM   #13
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I'm sure she's aware.

Overall I'm happy she went this far. Until this she played it safe.
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Please triangulate some statistics that disprove what she said. Please activate your deep blue brain and explain what the stated motivation for his shooting spree were. Please tell us what you'd do to her if you got the chance.
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What is it about gamergaters running breathlessly into a room, slapping down a printout from twitter on your desk and going "HA!!!!!......." and then staring silently at you for 5 minutes before staring out the window and going "Ho ho ho it's all over now"
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Old 10-25-2014, 06:54 AM   #16
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Please triangulate some statistics that disprove what she said. Please activate your deep blue brain and explain what the stated motivation for his shooting spree were.
Burden of proof would be on her, sir. The default position to shootings usually isn't to put it on male culture.

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I'll let this one slide. Pro-Tip: You can't actually say 'anything' you want about people on the internet. Do not misrepresent me as somebody who would threaten to hurt people again. It was a very random dig considering the rest of the post. Chill with that.
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Old 10-25-2014, 06:46 AM   #17
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http://www.realsexism.com/ These statistics help out? Look it up and tell me it's bullshit.
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:22 AM   #18
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Sexist would probably only target chicks.
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Sexist would probably only target chicks.
She didn't say sexist, she stated that most perpetrators of mass acts of shooting are male and suggests it is as a result of "toxic male culture". So why would it invalidate that argument if they murder other men while they're at it. The fact is she's entirely correct that it is males who commit these mass acts of violence and indeed most acts of violence, whether she's right specifically about a "toxic male culture" is debatable, obviously, but that's why you express ideas. I don't see why she's wrong for airing that opinion, it's a valid one from her perspective. There's a lot of male anger around aimed at women and society, particularly on the internet.
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Old 10-25-2014, 10:29 AM   #20
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Google Women Mass Murderers. There's lots of it. Fucker.
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yet only one mass shooting in america was commited by a woman
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Old 10-25-2014, 10:39 AM   #22
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My point is this: Regardless whether male or female of who's more violent even in statistics, BOTH sides are at fault here. Not just the guys..

I also blame the mothers of the killers who didn't get enough attention as a child either. Not because they were born male...

What about when a gamer guy gets bullied for coming out gay in the community and commits suicide? I guess feminists like Anita doesn't give 2 shits about it either.
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My point is this: Regardless whether male or female of who's more violent even in statistics BOTH sides are at fault here. Not just the guys..

I also blame the mothers of the killers who didn't get enough attention as a child either. Not because they were born male...

What about when a gamer guy gets bullied for coming out gay in the community and commits suicide? I guess feminists like Anita doesn't give 2 shits about it either.
What?
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I guess you're homophobic as well if a gay guy commits suicide because he gets bullied within any community even GamerGate.
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But this stupid person doesn't subscribe to "allegations of threats" that simply never happened at Gamergate considering it was a BAD PR publicity stunt.
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i'm still having a hard time believing this is a real thing.
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What I'm gathering from this last page or so is:

1 female mass shooter is the same as whatever number it is (that is GREATER THAN 1) number of male shooters?
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while i feel kalyx might be a 'good guy' on whatever side of the argument he is on, raven reaper defintely seems like the stereotypical over-reactor who just looks like a woman hater.
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while i feel kalyx might be a 'good guy' on whatever side of the argument he is on, raven reaper defintely seems like the stereotypical over-reactor who just looks like a woman hater.
Reason why is because I don't like Anita who represents everything wrong in the gaming community like labelling everything in games as sexist fantasies for men.. She's no different than a 90s Senator who also thinks DOOM game promotes gun violence.
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Reaper can be excitable but he's 100% about Anita/Thompson/Senator thing.

Hell, years ago I had a thread in this forum putting Thompson blast for the same shit Anita's pulling now and the reaction to her quotes and arguments are night and day.

Or, ironically, sexist.
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And for the record, I don't hate women, I just hate the bullshit coming from both gender sides' mouths...
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Obviously we have no problem with women and female characters in games. I think that narrative will naturally die out when people see it has no legs to stand on. In fact a great many talking points were killed off over the last few months, which is why they're doubling down on the harassment/doxxing. "Well they have women on their side and they're diverse - but trolls transcend race and gender! They're all trolls!"

What makes that tricky is the news media focuses on one side being fucked with, sustaining GG being the only people doing the harm in the public eye. Unlike the other talking points simply not being that kind of person isn't enough to convince people. Just a single dox on an outspoken anti-GG puts all of GG on the radar. We either did it or support it. And barring that; 'well you're in a group that does it/supports it'. All it has to do is happen and we're screwed, whereas the other stereotypes were beaten by taking action and getting reps out there.

Some game journalists and other people against GG have tweeted approval or support of people getting doxxed. Right there in the open. And people still believe GG are aggressors on that front. Because so long as somebody speaking out against GG gets doxxed, pointing the finger seems to be stronger than any form of evidence. We're still a hate group, because we can't prove a negative.

This is why I really jumped on the idea of dealing with the trolls before we can even continue the conversation of what games journalism should be.
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The reporter got owned on this shit.. He must be a feminist himself..
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I believe he did fine. There were no anti-GG there so he had to beg many questions.

Tone down the rage, dude. I'm with you but being this tempered won't get you far. I've been able to talk with as many feminists and SJWs as I had by not being so aggressive.
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Jemma was the loudest most outspoken girl of the 3 ever saying perfectly clear, "THIS IS NOT WOMEN UNDER ATTACK, THIS IS CORRUPTION IN JOURNALISM EHTICS." Nothing more.

Jemma is like my raging spirit animal, you know. lol.
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It was annoying how many times he went back to the misogyny angle. It was very good to have three women there (and one feminist!) to help squash that.
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Yeah but that feminist doesn't even subscribe to Anita's sexist version of it.. Thank goodness for NAFALT. lol.
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She cares about ethics in journalism, so joins up the people who bother toy makers and write reviews about toys.

You didn't really address the previous point about why point out a relationship between violent crimes and being male is meant to destroy her. I guess the burden of proof is on you to explain why it destroys her rather than posting another hotlink.
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