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Old 11-11-2015, 07:48 PM   #161
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My guess is how the story played out wasnt the original plan, but they just wanted to put them back as a team, so they almost said "no pretend that didnt happen". It bad writing, but it was caused by lack of skill of some of the talent involved.
No. Not gonna let you try to actually reason that. lol

It was horrific writing and the fact that the girls involved weren't good (Surprise, genius writers! The Bellas can't act!) doesn't excuse them from actually finding a way out of it instead of just "Okay, friends now." It's retarded writing. And it's quite normal for WWE to be that unorganized and "figure shit out as we go".
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Old 11-11-2015, 07:51 PM   #162
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Also, Curtis Axel is not nearly in his dad's league, Fan. You stop that.
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Old 11-11-2015, 07:53 PM   #163
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Mr Perfect oozed charisma. His son does not. Sure, he could be a decent talent in the mid card, but he's not nor has he ever had anything in his skill set to make him better than dad.
I'll have to disagree with all of you. The man is good in the ring and decent enough on the mic to get over. Just wish they'd give him something to do other than the comedy gimmicks.
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Old 11-11-2015, 08:11 PM   #164
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Good in the ring and "decent enough" on the mic but better than his dad? Even if I agreed with that assessment of his skills, that would still be blasphemy. Maybe even more so. Are you sure you're not confusing Mr. Perfect with Shawn Stasiak or something?
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Old 11-11-2015, 08:22 PM   #165
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Nope, just think that their is something in Axel. Him saying he was better than per feet was great because it draws heat towards him. I know he's not at his dads level was just using his catchphrase. But given the chance I don't see why he couldn't.
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Old 11-11-2015, 08:27 PM   #166
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Because you can't teach charisma, that's why. It's the one thing he clearly lacks and no catchphrase or awesome theme music would change that.

I agree he could be a viable commodity but he's nothing more than a mid card act, at best. Nothing wrong with it but it is all he could ever be.
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Old 11-11-2015, 08:31 PM   #167
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Was Perfect anymore than that? The way he debuted was so great if they would have ran with that longer we could be talking about a WWE champ here.
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Did I just read that Axle Hennig or whateverthe fuck his horriblename is could be as good as his Hof'er dad. Get real. I've never seen him sink every basket, bowl a perfect game or throw himself a hail mary.
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:17 PM   #169
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Lol what sons are actually better than their Fathers?

The Rock, Randy Orton, and ?

There has to be others.
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:21 PM   #170
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Eddie Guerrero as well.

Either way I was trying to make a point that usually the children of really good wrestlers aren't going to be as good their Father's. Curtis Axel would fall into that realm.
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:59 PM   #172
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Well I'll take the mantle as Curtis Axel's only fan.
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Old 11-11-2015, 11:16 PM   #173
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Old 11-12-2015, 06:36 AM   #174
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December To Dismember

Sandwiched between Survivor Series a week before, and Armageddon 2 weeks later, the first and last standalone ECW PPV (that wasn't a ONS event) was the moment that ECW as any remnant of the original company ended.

Most the card wasn't announced beforehand, and seriously, who wanted 3 PPV events in a month!?

The Main Event Hardcore Elimination Chamber made so many missteps with the "wrong" guy going over in Lashley.

Heyman was relieved of his duties as a direct result of this shit-storm, and we got WWECW as a result. The newly structured show which became a feeder show and eventually led to NXT was in itself great, but it wasn't ECW.
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I liked Curtis Axel, and I liked AxelMania.
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Old 11-12-2015, 12:35 PM   #176
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No. Not gonna let you try to actually reason that. lol

It was horrific writing and the fact that the girls involved weren't good (Surprise, genius writers! The Bellas can't act!) doesn't excuse them from actually finding a way out of it instead of just "Okay, friends now." It's retarded writing. And it's quite normal for WWE to be that unorganized and "figure shit out as we go".
I dunno, I dont disagree with you. At the same time, my brother and I would occasionally get into a scuffle, and then be laughing about it 10 minutes later.
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Old 11-12-2015, 12:37 PM   #177
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I'll have to disagree with all of you. The man is good in the ring and decent enough on the mic to get over. Just wish they'd give him something to do other than the comedy gimmicks.
He's not decent enough on the mic to get over. If he was, he would be over. He was death on the mic. His ring work is basically opening card level, it hasnt improved.
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Gotta love Seth Rollins starring in his role in "the champion who jobs constantly." And how about those segments every week where Triple H just appears to be a disappointed dad. That sure did put the champion of the company over.

Yeah that Rock/Cena feud was legendary. I loved watching one of the people in the feud cut promos live "via satellite" constantly. Nevermind building an entire WrestleMania on the premise of "ONCE IN A LIFETIME!" when they already knew they were going to do a rematch at WM29.

I'll grant you Lesnar to a degree, I don't think they'd have had him break the Streak if they weren't planning on putting the strap on him at SummerSlam, which they then did. Too bad they really didn't make his first one-on-one defeat after breaking the streak mean anything and he instead just gave a win back to Taker.

And there you go again pretending that Daniel Bryan main eventing WrestleMania 30 was planned for months and months dating back to SummerSlam and not at all a result of the fans completely rejecting the Batista/Orton main event they were going to be force-fed. That's cute.
Not quite as you believing that the YES Movement was something WWE tried to stop. You know, by constantly talking about it, and focusing the camera on the entire crowd doing it to teach future crowds to do it. In fact you're being so cute right now, I want to pinch your cheeks.

Rock-Cena I believe was the biggest PPV draw in wrestling history. But okay, you didnt dig it.

Rollins may not have been booked how you liked it, but if you look at his story arc, it was clear they planned his ascension for well over a year.
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I dunno, I dont disagree with you. At the same time, my brother and I would occasionally get into a scuffle, and then be laughing about it 10 minutes later.
So your brother would help someone beat you up, say he wish you died, pour food and drink on you, beat you up himself, and humiliate you on national television and ten minutes later you would laugh about it.
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Not quite as you believing that the YES Movement was something WWE tried to stop. You know, by constantly talking about it, and focusing the camera on the entire crowd doing it to teach future crowds to do it. In fact you're being so cute right now, I want to pinch your cheeks.

Rock-Cena I believe was the biggest PPV draw in wrestling history. But okay, you didnt dig it.

Rollins may not have been booked how you liked it, but if you look at his story arc, it was clear they planned his ascension for well over a year.
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He's not decent enough on the mic to get over. If he was, he would be over. He was death on the mic. His ring work is basically opening card level, it hasnt improved.
If his ring work was so bad why have him be the one to get Brock and The Rock back in ring shape when they return? Those guys are not going to train with someone who doesn't know what they're doing. As far as his mic work its, how's it death? His Better than Perfect gimmick drew heat and he was a heel. That's what heels do right? The Hogan stuff was dumb but he nailed it. A lot of people think the talent today is not as good as in the past but I disagree. The guys to day are way more talented in the ring just don't have the freedom that past generations had.
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I think Axel is perfect being the guy who sucks that doesn't know that he sucks, sure that means he'll always be low card but it's good to be on that card than not at all, they should put him on TV again.

Wish they gave him a mini push for the ATG Battle Royal, there was a "preview" battle royal that Mark Henry won like 2 weeks before Mania, Axel should have gotten that win.
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Not quite as you believing that the YES Movement was something WWE tried to stop. You know, by constantly talking about it, and focusing the camera on the entire crowd doing it to teach future crowds to do it. In fact you're being so cute right now, I want to pinch your cheeks.

Rock-Cena I believe was the biggest PPV draw in wrestling history. But okay, you didnt dig it.

Rollins may not have been booked how you liked it, but if you look at his story arc, it was clear they planned his ascension for well over a year.


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That doesn't apply to that situation in the slightest, nice try.
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If his ring work was so bad why have him be the one to get Brock and The Rock back in ring shape when they return? Those guys are not going to train with someone who doesn't know what they're doing. As far as his mic work its, how's it death? His Better than Perfect gimmick drew heat and he was a heel. That's what heels do right? The Hogan stuff was dumb but he nailed it. A lot of people think the talent today is not as good as in the past but I disagree. The guys to day are way more talented in the ring just don't have the freedom that past generations had.
Being a bump machine is different than working a style to headline.

You can give a guy a great gimmick, but if he doesn't connect with the audience, it's death. I don't watch every minute of every show, but I never recall Axel standing out.

Physically guys today are infinitely more talented than even guys 10 years ago. But you can be able to do a backflip with your eyes closed but not understand how to bring a crowd up and down through the course of a match.
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Old 11-12-2015, 02:40 PM   #188
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That doesn't apply to that situation in the slightest, nice try.
I know. Look everything on TV is exaggerated. Plenty of TV shows or movies will have something happen between characters and then they work it out. I agree it could have and realistically should have been explained better on TV. But I really think they saw the angle as a failure and just wanted to hit the rest button. It's not ideal, but at least Nikki became a stud out of it.
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Old 11-12-2015, 02:48 PM   #189
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Not quite as you believing that the YES Movement was something WWE tried to stop. You know, by constantly talking about it, and focusing the camera on the entire crowd doing it to teach future crowds to do it. In fact you're being so cute right now, I want to pinch your cheeks.
Again, I can't tell if you're trolling by continually changing your argument or maybe you just need to learn reading comprehension. No one has said WWE tried to stop or didn't embrace or acknowledge the YES movement once it took off. Especially after fans shit on Batista and the Rumble finish that year.

That doesn't mean that WWE planned or expected for the YES movement and Daniel Bryan to become as big as they did beforehand. It's definitely not proof that they planned all along to put Bryan in the main event at WM.
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Again, I can't tell if you're trolling by continually changing your argument or maybe you just need to learn reading comprehension. No one has said WWE tried to stop or didn't embrace or acknowledge the YES movement once it took off. Especially after fans shit on Batista and the Rumble finish that year.

That doesn't mean that WWE planned or expected for the YES movement and Daniel Bryan to become as big as they did beforehand. It's definitely not proof that they planned all along to put Bryan in the main event at WM.
The proof is how he was booked after that Summerslam. Read my other posts on the subject I've covered it in great detail.

I'll sum up my position this way - I've seen WWE book a guy they didn't want to reach the stars. I've seen them book a guy they wanted to reach the stars. Bryan was closer to the latter than the former.
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Old 11-12-2015, 03:22 PM   #191
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The proof is how he was booked after that Summerslam. Read my other posts on the subject I've covered it in great detail.

I'll sum up my position this way - I've seen WWE book a guy they didn't want to reach the stars. I've seen them book a guy they wanted to reach the stars. Bryan was closer to the latter than the former.
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Look everything on TV is exaggerated. Plenty of TV shows or movies will have something happen between characters and then they work it out.
I've honestly never seen another situation in any form of scripted entertainment where two people in the middle of a heated feud seemingly became best friends again off-camera between episodes with no explanation...

Because that would be some all-time horrible writing and outside of WWE currently, even the trashiest, shittiest TV shows and movies have higher writing standards than that.
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But fan, you just don't have the deep understanding of wrestling's creative that cynick does. He is the pulse of Vince Mcmahons brain.
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Old 11-12-2015, 04:44 PM   #195
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I've honestly never seen another situation in any form of scripted entertainment where two people in the middle of a heated feud seemingly became best friends again off-camera between episodes with no explanation...

Because that would be some all-time horrible writing and outside of WWE currently, even the trashiest, shittiest TV shows and movies have higher writing standards than that.
If the current writers were writing in 1999, Austin and The Rock would have been hugging it out and high fiving each other a week after Backlash 1999.

Even long after they were done feuding, they ALWAYS seemed to tease tension between each other even when they had to team up. When they were both faces, you could sense they had respect for one another despite their bravado but they were still far from friends.

In fact you could say the same thing about basically any face Austin aligned with the the Attitude Era. He was "cool" with other faces but never to the degree that faces unite together nowadays. You'd never see that nowadays.
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But fan, you just don't have the deep understanding of wrestling's creative that cynick does. He is the pulse of Vince Mcmahons brain.
Pulse is an exaggeration. A deep understanding and faith that he knows what he's doing
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I've honestly never seen another situation in any form of scripted entertainment where two people in the middle of a heated feud seemingly became best friends again off-camera between episodes with no explanation...

Because that would be some all-time horrible writing and outside of WWE currently, even the trashiest, shittiest TV shows and movies have higher writing standards than that.
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If the current writers were writing in 1999, Austin and The Rock would have been hugging it out and high fiving each other a week after Backlash 1999.

Even long after they were done feuding, they ALWAYS seemed to tease tension between each other even when they had to team up. When they were both faces, you could sense they had respect for one another despite their bravado but they were still far from friends.

In fact you could say the same thing about basically any face Austin aligned with the the Attitude Era. He was "cool" with other faces but never to the degree that faces unite together nowadays. You'd never see that nowadays.
Cena is a different type of face. More like Hogan in that if you were a face he was cool with you.
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