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Old 01-31-2004, 04:43 PM   #161
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No i just watched it on sky,not got the money. Mind you we were back to being poor yesterday,unless we drastically improve in the league then i think Dean Richards has to go(maybe likewise to Micky Adams to mention football) but i guess it was a tough group but the kicking at goal was awful.

In football news a few signings which haven't been mentioned:

Stephen Crainey to Southampton from Celtic

Bolton have signed a Guatemalen,again forgot his name.

Leicester have signed Steffan Freund. Well i thought that signing was poor and have no thoughts to fight for survival when you compare it to some of the quality otehr sides have bought in,and look at his age but i guess todays performance showed that we dont care.
I went up to watch the Birmingham v Newcastle game today. Excellent game, except leaking a goal in the last minute And what a super strike from Mr. Speed! 5-0 at home to the Villa!? All I have to say is this:
BTW, even the dragons beat Stade for god sake!!
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I think the Reyes deal is for an initial £12m plus a heap of performance and appearance fees on top

Disturbed if you're talking aboot Scotty Parker...well the guy's quality but he ain't gonna force out Frank Lampard
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Yeah, MMM I'm talking about Parker. I seriously have never heard of him untill the transfer
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I do have to question .. with the money Chelsea have .. why sign a player like Scott Parker? I dunno .. I'll see how he gets on first before I lay down any further criticism.

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I do have to question .. with the money Chelsea have .. why sign a player like Scott Parker? I dunno .. I'll see how he gets on first before I lay down any further criticism.
Because he is English, and English players play with more heart, they try much harder, but yeah it was a waste of money.
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Yeah, MMM I'm talking about Parker. I seriously have never heard of him untill the transfer
Maybe you should just read the football threads instead of posting in them.

Parker is a cracking player, but Chelsea don't really need him. Maybe they did just buy him to try and weaken Charlton. It would have been a lack of ambition by Parker not to go, though.
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Because he is English, and English players play with more heart, they try much harder, but yeah it was a waste of money.
Eric Cantona, Gianfranco Zola, Peter Schmeichel, Juninho (to name but a few). I can't recall too many English players try harder and play with more heart than these guys. I don't think I've ever seen anyone play with more passion than Rino Gattuso either. He was a 21 year old Italian who barely spoke English when he first played for Rangers and he was owning Old Firm games.
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Eric Cantona, Gianfranco Zola, Peter Schmeichel, Juninho (to name but a few). I can't recall too many English players try harder and play with more heart than these guys. I don't think I've ever seen anyone play with more passion than Rino Gattuso either. He was a 21 year old Italian who barely spoke English when he first played for Rangers and he was owning Old Firm games.
's why he now plays for Milan
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Eric Cantona, Gianfranco Zola, Peter Schmeichel, Juninho (to name but a few). I can't recall too many English players try harder and play with more heart than these guys. I don't think I've ever seen anyone play with more passion than Rino Gattuso either. He was a 21 year old Italian who barely spoke English when he first played for Rangers and he was owning Old Firm games.
I didn't say no foreigners play with passion, Mutu works his socks off every game for us aswell, but normally its the foreigners who come out bitching about stuff, and the majority of foreigners aren't as bothered when they lose.

Also, only ONE of the players you mentioned still plays in the Premiership, you could give some more recent examples.
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Scott Parker is an excellent player, why wouldn't Chelsea sign him? He was brilliant today.
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He was a 21 year old Italian who barely spoke English when he first played for Rangers and he was owning Old Firm games.
He didn't "own" the Old Firms. He played one season, and in that season Celtic won the league for the first time in ages, then he buggered off to Perugia.
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Parker seemed to have a decent game but i think they should be signing wide midfielders,cause atm there's only really Duff and Gronkjaer and the latter isn't good enough for Chelsea imo.

If they were going to sign another primarily central player then i would have bought Rosicky after seeing his name mentioned,a good,creative midfielder who is still quite young i believe.
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Pompey have had a £1.5M for Lua Lua and Andy Griffin rejected. I don't see the point in signing Lua Lua personally but oh well
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Parker, Veron, Lampard, Makelelle. 4 fantastic central midfielders no need for them to be buying any midfielders.Not to mention Cole and Petit As far as back-up goes Gronkjaer is easily the best reserve winger in the premiership. Their midfield is completely stunning. Only thing I can see them needing is more cover in central defence allthough its not like that been a problem this far with their record.
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Maybe you should just read the football threads instead of posting in them.

Parker is a cracking player, but Chelsea don't really need him. Maybe they did just buy him to try and weaken Charlton. It would have been a lack of ambition by Parker not to go, though.
Well I went through a stage of not being into football as I was, so I must have missed his rise to stardom.
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I've been doubting Johnson and Bridge defensively for a week or so,but i guess Johnson has time on his side(brilliant goal today too ) but Bridge was poor for Blackburn's second today.
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Think Johnsons done brilliantly after really being thrown in at the deep end hes adapted nicely to Chelsea and as you say has time on his side. Bridge is also someone I rate and even when hes off form they can throw Babayaro in there.
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I still dont get why Chelsea bought Alexei Smertin, he's a decent player but not good enough to push Lampard and Makalele out of the team. Hopefully they'll let us keep him perminantly at the end of the season
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I still dont get why Chelsea bought Alexei Smertin, he's a decent player but not good enough to push Lampard and Makalele out of the team. Hopefully they'll let us keep him perminantly at the end of the season
I think the original plan was for Chelsea to buy him and loan him to a Russian club that were being bought by one of Abrahamovich's friends but since that move didn't work out it seems odd that they still signed him,only reasons i can think of being that it was too late to pull out or they wanted him to gain premiership experience but yeah,even so it is doubtful he could force out Lampard or Makelele.
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Well I went through a stage of not being into football as I was, so I must have missed his rise to stardom.
He was a regular at Charlton for 3 or 4 years.
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He was a regular at Charlton for 3 or 4 years.
Yeah, but I dont pay attention to the mid-table teams, just those who completly suck or do really well

See, I have almost completly lost my love for the game
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Yeah, but its only the last 2 seasons he's really emerged
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I've been doubting Johnson and Bridge defensively for a week or so,but i guess Johnson has time on his side(brilliant goal today too ) but Bridge was poor for Blackburn's second today.
The first goal Bridge shouldhave got the header in, and then Johnson left Gallas to mark two, so it was both their faults, and yes the second one was Bridge's fault, irritates the piss outta me that ITV text claim it was an error from Cudicini

And Veron has been AWEFUL for us, Petit is always injured or tired, Joe Cole was a waste of money, he is a great player but we do not need him. Makelele and Lampard are the best central midfielders we have, with Cole and Petit as backup, therefore, Parker is not needed, nor is Geremi, and he is stronger in the centre of the park, but sucks in both postions.

W have enough centre backs, although Desailly should retire ASAP, he is past it and ruining his reputation. We have Robert Huth coming through, and beleive me, he is the man, and he has one hell of a cracking shot. But it would be niuce to have a fourth centre back.

We need two new full backs, as Johnson can't defend, and Wayne Bridge doesn't mark anyone, he waits for the person he is supposed to mar to get the ball, and then goes to them, by which time it is too late.
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I think the original plan was for Chelsea to buy him and loan him to a Russian club that were being bought by one of Abrahamovich's friends but since that move didn't work out it seems odd that they still signed him,only reasons i can think of being that it was too late to pull out or they wanted him to gain premiership experience but yeah,even so it is doubtful he could force out Lampard or Makelele.
I think Ranieri signed him because he is Russian, he thought it would shut up Abramovich.
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I thought Veron started off excellent for Chelsea. The Liverpool and Newcastle games spring to mind as two brilliant performances. He will probably be out for the rest of the season though.
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Plus, Johnson and Bridge are both bordering on the crap. Johnson should revert to a striking role.
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Well here we go again with the "arsenal are dirty/cheats etc" crap.

what's the fecking point denying it, it's all crap.

Check any disciplinary table, there are at least 10 teams worse than arsenal in the EPL

I saw two "controversial goals" today, but failed to see any controversy. Have Man City ever heard of playing the whistle?

I admit I've only seen the incident once, but I've got the tape. Can someone explain to me when exactly Cole "lashed out"? What I saw was Cole, closest player to the ball, pick it up then get shoved to the ground by Anelka. Surely he could have realised that the few seconds they would have lost by letting Cole take the ball was preferable to the several minutes it took to sort out the melee, thus giving City no time to find an equaliser. But it must be Cole's fault, because he "lashed out". Right

Surely, surely Nelka's shove on Ashley Cole must be worse than the little tap Keown/Lauren gave RvN earlier in the season.

So by the FA's (admittedly inconsistent) standards, Anelka must be given more than a four game suspension....

But that's not gonna happen, cos if you heard the news, Anelka doesn't play for Arsenal anymore...
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I thought Veron started off excellent for Chelsea. The Liverpool and Newcastle games spring to mind as two brilliant performances. He will probably be out for the rest of the season though.
Yeah he did, but then he just kept passing to the opposition and taking atrocious shots the whole time. He really hasn't done anything good since the start of the season.

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Plus, Johnson and Bridge are both bordering on the crap. Johnson should revert to a striking role.
I agree with you there, Johnson cannot defend for shit. The only thing that I can say in Johnson's defence is that he is only 19, and working alongside Desailly and Terry might teach him a thing or two. John Terry has improved his game shitloads since being alongside Desailly at the back.

Even from the Liverpool game it blatently obvious that Bridge cannot mark a player, and he still hasn't learnt to.
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I admit I've only seen the incident once, but I've got the tape. Can someone explain to me when exactly Cole "lashed out"? What I saw was Cole, closest player to the ball, pick it up then get shoved to the ground by Anelka. Surely he could have realised that the few seconds they would have lost by letting Cole take the ball was preferable to the several minutes it took to sort out the melee, thus giving City no time to find an equaliser. But it must be Cole's fault, because he "lashed out". Right

Surely, surely Nelka's shove on Ashley Cole must be worse than the little tap Keown/Lauren gave RvN earlier in the season.

So by the FA's (admittedly inconsistent) standards, Anelka must be given more than a four game suspension....

But that's not gonna happen, cos if you heard the news, Anelka doesn't play for Arsenal anymore...
Wee gooner, you are a very biased Arsenal fan.

It was no where near as bad (or funny) as the Old Trafford incident, especialy if you have seen the picture of Lauren trying to strangle Neville.

And Cole deliberatly took the ball and wouldn't give it back, Anelka wanted the ball, and in the heat of the moment reacted by pushing Cole, yet Edu was just as bad as Anelka, but you yet again have overlooked that fact.

and I'm sure that Anelka didn't think to himself that it would have been quicker to let Cole take ages about getting the ball back to centre circle, and it wouln't have been as quick as if Anelka had, so therefore he did the right thing by trying to get the ball back, I just wished he punched Ashley Cole, as the little shit deserves to have his legs broken.





it's a funny picture, but that is much worse then the push.

And here's one from the charity shield:




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http://www.football365.com/All_News/...ry_98938.shtml

Cole, who was sent off earlier this season for a late tackle on Ben Thatcher, admitted that Anelka did not deserve the red card, which has earned him a three-game suspension.

``I feel sorry for him as I only did the same as him,'' he insisted.

``He shouldn't have done what he did but I don't think he should have been sent off. It should have either been a yellow or red card for both of us, not one and the other.''
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Paul Robinson's supposedly signed for Tottenham

Deal will go through at the end of the season, but Spurs are paying up front
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Yeah 2 million down payment, but he stays with leeds this year.

Big shame that is, I seriously hope leeds stay up but its not going to happen
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Wee gooner, you are a very biased Arsenal fan.
Why thank you

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And Cole deliberatly took the ball and wouldn't give it back
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He took the ball when it was in the net and we have seen that before without creating a national scandal.
I saw Cole hold the ball for all of 2 seconds before Anelka confronted him. Still haven't seen Cole "lash out", though. And unlike my man Arsene, my eyes see things that happen on the field.

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Anelka wanted the ball, and in the heat of the moment reacted by pushing Cole
So reacting in the heat of the moment IS after all justified and deserves to go unpunished. Pity no-one told Steve Bennett about THAT at Old Trafford, hey.

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yet Edu was just as bad as Anelka, but you yet again have overlooked that fact.
Edu only stepped in *after* Anelka attacked Cole

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and I'm sure that Anelka didn't think to himself that it would have been quicker to let Cole take ages about getting the ball back to centre circle
That, my man, is why God created a little thing called stoppage time, to be played at the end of normal time to make up for any "delays" (goals, injuries etc.) during the game which wind the clock down.

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I just wished he punched Ashley Cole, as the little shit deserves to have his legs broken.
Not really, he's a good defender. His real problem is that he plays angry.

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but he probably deserved it after that awful tackle he put on Jeffers in the Com Shield.

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And here's one from the charity shield:
Jeffers = Everton old boy. Explains a fair bit

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--EDIT--

http://www.football365.com/All_News/...ry_98938.shtml

Cole, who was sent off earlier this season for a late tackle on Ben Thatcher, admitted that Anelka did not deserve the red card, which has earned him a three-game suspension.

``I feel sorry for him as I only did the same as him,'' he insisted.

``He shouldn't have done what he did but I don't think he should have been sent off. It should have either been a yellow or red card for both of us, not one and the other.''
Not questioning whether or not the referee gave the right punishment.

I'm just so sick of all media types, Man U "glory fans" (who run my school BTW) and whatnot giving Arsenal such an undeserved bad rap all the time. I can already hear them warming up. What do they really have to complain about?

Our disciplinary record? , hardly

Pires being a diver? If you've noticed, since his knee injury he has gone to ground a bit more, but I don't think it's so much to get a free kick as it is to reduce the stress on the knee. He *never* goes down from upper body contact (like RvN, Cristiano Ronaldo etc.). Prove me wrong, but if you notice the times he has gone down under light contact (ie against Pompey), they have all been from leg contact/tripping etc. I'd say he's just protecting his knee.

Bad sportsmanship? Never. Watch Blackburn play, then we'll talk.

Come on Arsenal
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@ quote by Wenger saying "originally posted by Arsene Wenger" implying that Arsene Wenger posts on this site.

Or maybe he does.
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Pires being a diver? If you've noticed, since his knee injury he has gone to ground a bit more, but I don't think it's so much to get a free kick as it is to reduce the stress on the knee. He *never* goes down from upper body contact (like RvN, Cristiano Ronaldo etc.). Prove me wrong, but if you notice the times he has gone down under light contact (ie against Pompey), they have all been from leg contact/tripping etc. I'd say he's just protecting his knee.
if he's just going down to protect his knee, he's still diving, he still got a penalty and Stefanovic still got a yellow card for the challenge but Pires didnt stand up and say "i was only protecting my knee" nor did he mention anything afterwards. The only thing he said afterwards was "i felt contact and went down" despite the fact he felt contact because he kicked Dejan Stefanovic and then hit the deck.

Don't get me wrong, i dont hate Arsenal or Pires, he's a tremendous talent but there is no way you can defend what was a blatent dive. Even Arsene "I didn't see it" Wenger admitted it looked dubious after the match.
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I saw Cole hold the ball for all of 2 seconds before Anelka confronted him. Still haven't seen Cole "lash out", though. And unlike my man Arsene, my eyes see things that happen on the field.
Cole might have only held the ball for a few seconds, but he was NEVER going to hurry up about putting it on the centre spot, he was always going to hold it up and waste time.


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So reacting in the heat of the moment IS after all justified and deserves to go unpunished. Pity no-one told Steve Bennett about THAT at Old Trafford, hey.
And I never ever said that doing something in the heat of the moment means he can go unpunished, you moron, what I said was that because he did it in the heat of the moment, he didn't have time to think to himself 'well if I push Cole, then it will take longer for the ball to get back to the centre spot'. But then you would miss that point, as you haven't actually replied to what I said, you have started talking about something else each time.

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Edu only stepped in *after* Anelka attacked Cole
And if you think that Edu stepping in ******AFTER******* Anelka pushing him makes it OK, then you are a bigger twat then I first thought.


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Not really, he's a good defender. His real problem is that he plays angry.
Actually his problem is that he cheats.



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but he probably deserved it after that awful tackle he put on Jeffers in the Com Shield.
Yes, what a way to justify it

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Jeffers = Everton old boy. Explains a fair bit
I could be wrong in this, but I don't recall Jeffers being dirty when at Everton.


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Not questioning whether or not the referee gave the right punishment.
You might not have questioned whether the ref gave the right punishment, but Cole said he should have got the same punishment as Anelka, and I think that Cole would have more of an idea then you.

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I'm just so sick of all media types, Man U "glory fans" (who run my school BTW) and whatnot giving Arsenal such an undeserved bad rap all the time. I can already hear them warming up. What do they really have to complain about?
You ask that question thinking that anyone on here is goign to care/respond?

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Our disciplinary record? , hardly
Yeah because only 50 sendings off since Wenger took over is a fucking brilliant record.

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Pires being a diver? If you've noticed, since his knee injury he has gone to ground a bit more, but I don't think it's so much to get a free kick as it is to reduce the stress on the knee. He *never* goes down from upper body contact (like RvN, Cristiano Ronaldo etc.). Prove me wrong, but if you notice the times he has gone down under light contact (ie against Pompey), they have all been from leg contact/tripping etc. I'd say he's just protecting his knee.
That dive against Portsmouth is the reason he has been labelled a diver, as that was clearly a dive, he kicked his leg against Stefanovic, and then went down, everyone knows that that isn't a penalty.

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Bad sportsmanship? Never. Watch Blackburn play, then we'll talk.
I watched the match yesterday, and when they played Chelsea at Stamford Bridge, name me some players with so called bad sportsmanship of theirs.


As for the injury time, the ref was not going to add on time for Cole holding the ball and taking ages about getting it to the centre circle. Which is why Anelka tried to get the ball off him, you really are a moron.


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You seemed to have forgotten to explain how Anelka's challenge was worse then Cole's.
what challenge and Cole's when



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That, my man, is why God created a little thing called stoppage time, to be played at the end of normal time to make up for any "delays" (goals, injuries etc.) during the game which wind the clock down.
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Surely he could have realised that the few seconds they would have lost by letting Cole take the ball was preferable to the several minutes it took to sort out the melee, thus giving City no time to find an equaliser.
so wait, you just contradicted yourself, right?

And God did not create stoppage time, you moron.
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Paul Robinson has rejected a move to Spurs although Defoe might be joining them, possibly with Zamora going the other way.

Pompey have taken Lomana Tresor Lua Lua on loan until the end of the season with a view to a perminant deal. They've also captured Leicester's John Curtis on a free transfer.

Middlesbrough have signed Brazilian world cup winner Ricardinho on loan until the end of the season.

Leicester have signed Lee Moris from Derby subject to a medical.
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Newcastle have signed Michael Bridges on a loan from Leeds

I know Bobby Robson likes him and wants to sign him, so I guess this is the best way to get a gauge of the player. Still

I haven't seen anything about Robinson rejecting Spurs RBF Although yeah apparently Defoe is going for £6m plus Zamora - seems a little steep Mind you if Zamora can play like he did for Brighton, West Ham have got themselves a great deal there.

Birmingham have signed Martin Taylor from Blackburn for £1.5m
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Robinson snubs Spurs



Paul Robinson has decided to stay at Leeds after holding talks with Tottenham over a £2m move.

A fee was agreed for the 24-year-old England international on Monday ahead of the January transfer window closing.

Robinson met Spurs representatives but Leeds later announced that the player was staying put.

Chief executive Trevor Birch said: "I can confirm that discussions did take place between the clubs and the player but no agreement was reached."



Birch added: "Paul is looking forward to staying at the club and playing his part in the fight for Premiership survival."

Leeds would have agreed to sell the goalkeeper to aid their ailing finances - with the club up to £100m in debt and trying to stave off administration.

Nigel Martyn's former understudy, who made his England debut against Australia in February 2003, was one of the club's most valuable assets.

Tottenham could try again to sign the goalkeeper - who they wanted to compete with 34-year-old Kasey Keller - in the summer.

USA international Keller's only competition at Spurs presently comes from the inexperienced Canadian keeper Lars Hirschfeld.

Leeds had already launched a bid to sign an understudy to Robinson on a month's loan regardless of any move. Boss Eddie Gray is keen to bring in a more experienced goalkeeper. Scott Carson has just one senior game under his belt, having made his debut as Robinson's replacement at the weekend.

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