TNA Impact

[Shadow]

Originally Posted by vampiro03 I did like it better than raw. but if those matches were on raw they would be midcards. jeff Hardy isn't anything anymore. I loved the show accept nobody was put through a table at the end.

Fuck you.

[vampiro03]

Originally Posted by Shadow Fuck you.

let me rephrase it,i think you took it wrong. wwe only has 5 guys atop the mountain and never let anyone else up there. in tna they had almost no backstage talking bla bla bla. I said I liked the show but I don't like jeff hardy. I love the fact they emphasize the WRESTLING part of the show. most of the matches wouldve been on raw mid card because of their "king of the mountain" attitude. I wasn't knocking the show at all

[loopydate]

So if they're emphazing the WRESTLING part of the show, why did someone need to go through a table, exactly?

[James Steele]

I will say this:


When Jeff Hardy actually gives a damn, he is a decent guy in the ring.

[JH]

james ever since he came to tna jeff really has gave a damn and has stepped his game up tremendously

[James Steele]

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorsLOD james ever since he came to tna jeff really has gave a damn and has stepped his game up tremendously

That's why I said...

Originally Posted by JamesSteele I will say this: When Jeff Hardy actually gives a damn, he is a decent guy in the ring.

[JH]

yea i knew what you meant
i was just agreeing

[James Steele]

[Fox]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon The only thing TNA needs to be extremely careful about now they at being presented to a national audience is there pacing in matches. Last night, you got two matches very close to one another that were extremelly fast paced, with a lot of spot moves. TNA has to watch these matches because most audiences do not like seeing too many quick paced matches. People, who aren't hardcore wrestling fans, need time to process the moves and the action. If you go to fast, you'll lose them within the presentation. Stopping and stalling are key. I noticed right away how AJ and Strong didn't even stare down each other or walk around the ring for a minute or so before the match. They just sort of exploded form the bell. They need to watch that.

Gotta disagree here.

TNA stands for Total Non-stop Action. And as gay as that name may be, the product needs to reflect the title. WWE is World Wrestling Entertainment - they wrestle, but they also put on their soap opera bullshit to "entertain." TNA is about the action.

I think that putting out more fast paced, untampered with, "holy fucking shit did you see that?" matches is a great idea. It's such a breath of fresh air from WWE's stagnant, repetitive, scripted matches that they do now. Every month or so we'll be treated to a great match on WWE TV (from HBK or Shelton Benjamin more often than not), but with TNA we're going to be seeing great matches every week.

Besides, they've still got guys like Jeff Jarrett, Kevin Nash, Monty Brown, Raven, and others who can do the slower style, and more often than not, that will be the main event.


Great show last night. Can't wait til next week.

[The Naitch]

oops, I missed this shit

[Shadow]

Originally Posted by Fox Gotta disagree here. TNA stands for Total Non-stop Action. And as gay as that name may be, the product needs to reflect the title. WWE is World Wrestling Entertainment - they wrestle, but they also put on their soap opera bullshit to "entertain." TNA is about the action. I think that putting out more fast paced, untampered with, "holy fucking shit did you see that?" matches is a great idea. It's such a breath of fresh air from WWE's stagnant, repetitive, scripted matches that they do now. Every month or so we'll be treated to a great match on WWE TV (from HBK or Shelton Benjamin more often than not), but with TNA we're going to be seeing great matches every week. Besides, they've still got guys like Jeff Jarrett, Kevin Nash, Monty Brown, Raven, and others who can do the slower style, and more often than not, that will be the main event. Great show last night. Can't wait til next week.

Don't think LC ment that they need to slow the matches down. They need to watch how many fast paced matches they do in a row. Give the audience too much of that and they start to get jaded. That's all.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Fox Gotta disagree here. TNA stands for Total Non-stop Action. And as gay as that name may be, the product needs to reflect the title. WWE is World Wrestling Entertainment - they wrestle, but they also put on their soap opera bullshit to "entertain." TNA is about the action. I think that putting out more fast paced, untampered with, "holy fucking shit did you see that?" matches is a great idea. It's such a breath of fresh air from WWE's stagnant, repetitive, scripted matches that they do now. Every month or so we'll be treated to a great match on WWE TV (from HBK or Shelton Benjamin more often than not), but with TNA we're going to be seeing great matches every week. Besides, they've still got guys like Jeff Jarrett, Kevin Nash, Monty Brown, Raven, and others who can do the slower style, and more often than not, that will be the main event. Great show last night. Can't wait til next week.

You have no understanding of the wrestling market at all if you think this. Stop looking atb the business through the eyes of yourself and look at it through the eyes of the consumers as a whole. Name a company that suceeded on a national level where a lot of there matches were spot fest fast paced action for half the night? You can't because none have succeded like that.

Listen to people within the industry talk about the pacing, the pyschology and the timing of matches. You can't do these crazy faced paced matches a lot cause you'll lose the audiecne. You ever wonder why companies like ROH aren't as big as the WWE or WCW or the AWA was? It's because they have a style that DOES NOT reflect the the likes of the mass audience.

THAT BULLSHIT soap opera is what got WWF to the top in 98 and WCW to the top in 96 and WWF to the top in 87. The audience eats up those storylines and characters. You have to understand, you can do those spot fest faced paced matches if you want, but you CANNOT be greedy with them and present a lot of that. WCW did it right by doing maybe one or two cruiser-weight bouts during thier 3 hour block and the fans craved for more every week because they didn't see them all the time.

[Loose Cannon]

err, kind of missed another point I was going to make. I was talking about the pacing of matches.

You saw two matches Sat night that were READY SET GO...BOOM...BOOM....BOOM....BOM....BOOM....BOOM...AND FINISHED kind of matches.

TNA has to teach these guys to pace themselves. These guys are tremendous wrestlers, but they can't just go out there and hit move after move without stopping. One of the KEY elements to having great matches is getting the audience to care about you. Why should they cheer for you? Why should they boo you? What are you doing to involve them? Why should the audience care if you "hurt" your leg? Sell those hard impact moves, sell the fact that you're having trouble climbing the top rope because you came down hard on your leg before, sell the fact that you just landed on a railing from 5 feet up and you're slower because of it.

Play off the emotion from the crowd. Go back and watch Rock/Hogan from Mania 18 to see what I'm talking about. Watch HBK/Jerichio from Mania 19. That's what seperates the good from the great. It's not that you can hit crazy moves one after the other and get pops from the crowd, it's the ability to make the crowd connect with the characters in the ring.

AJ Styles, Petey Williams, Chris Sabin are all tremendous wrestlers, but I don't think they mastered the art of psychology yet and that's something they're gonna have to learn. AJ has progressed a lot though as time went on.

[Boondock Saint]

Well said.