Official Bound For Glory thread--10/23/05

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Fox Yeah, since ECW never meant anything to anybody.

Oh it did, to a very very very little minority. Were you surprised the buyrate for the One Night Stand got a pretty low number?

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Fox Oh yeah, I know I want a guy who fucking sniffs people to be my champion. Fuck that. He needs to drop some of the more animalistic traits to his gimmick if you ask me. Brown is not credible enough yet.

Didn't I tell you before to stop looking at wrestling through "YOUR EYES" Monty is an ex pro football player, is known by people outside wrestling, has charisma to cut a promo, is over with the crowd and not just the smarks and has looked rather strong in TNA; The Only place he's BEEN. He's one of the few guys that's over that's a homegrown talent.

[Fox]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Let's not compare Wrestlemania to a TNA PPV. Cause I'm sure nobody other then hardcore TNA fans would of realized this was BIG DEAL. I'm almost positive JJ would of retained here setting up JJ/Raven at the next PPV, you know, the storyline they've actually been pushing. But that's all fucked now. Meltzer is saying what I was saying about them not wanting to shit on the fans that ordered and came to the show because of Nash not being able to wrestle, so they did a surprise ending. I get that, but 'hot shotting" shit never works. And if they were putting the Title on somebody, why in the fuck didn't it go on Raven. It goes to Rhino, a guy who's remebered by most fans for.....well nothing really. He jobbed a lot on WWE TV I guess. They had Styles, They had Joe, They had Monty. But it goes on Rhino. Yea, he'll sure put people in seats. Like I said, stupid short term move for TNA and I swear if JJ wins it back real quick, I'm just gonna LMAO at this.

Anyone who has watched an episode of Impact, or even anyone who ordered the PPV and heard the words "this is the super bowl of TNA" could have figured out it was the "BIG DEAL" PPV. They've made it pretty clear that this is the show they want to push the most - you don't need to be a "Hardcore TNA fan," as you put it, to understand that. You merely need ears and a working brain.

Actually, the primary angle they've recently been pushing is the arrival of Team 3D against Jarrett and AMW. In fact, I don't believe Raven has even been on Impact since the inception on Spike TV. But why scrutinize?

I agree, a Raven/Jarrett rematch is definitely in the works down the road, which is why it would have killed everything they've got going for them to have Raven/Jarrett in such a rushed fashion. I suppose they could have had the match, had Raven lose, done the whole coffin bit and had the same ending with 3D, but it would have made Raven look weak, thus, hurting the idea of a Raven/Jarrett match in the near future.

You didn't answer my question. What would you have done differently?

[PullMyFinger]

I'm with LC on this...a lot of the net fans just see shit from their eyes. Like if you go to the TNAWrestling.com board...its all a bunch of smarks that propose shitty ideas that will make TNA collapse within a year.

Case: One fan stated that TNA should drop storyline and that it's stupid.
Case: One fan said it should only cater to internet fans and ROH fans.
Case: Some mark came in and said TNA should get Brock Lesnar...all the net fans laughed at him and said he has no talent...TNA has wrestlers ten times better than him in... (one of those x division wrestlers that just go by their names).

People need to view things in the eyes of a casual fan.

[Loose Cannon]

Yes, Raven HAS been on Impact. Doing an Angle where he is "chasing" the Title. He was screwed out of the Title when JJ win it.

I actually never heard once them saying it was their "Superbowl show" I don't really know how you can have "Big Deal" shows when you're not even that Big of a Deal to begin with

And I would of had JJ retain. Simple as that. Build to eathier Raven or one of your young guys getting the Title down the road.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by PullMyFinger I'm with LC on this...a lot of the net fans just see shit from their eyes. Like if you go to the TNAWrestling.com board...its all a bunch of smarks that propose shitty ideas that will make TNA collapse within a year. Case: One fan stated that TNA should drop storyline and that it's stupid. Case: One fan said it should only cater to internet fans and ROH fans. Case: Some mark came in and said TNA should get Brock Lesnar...all the net fans laughed at him and said he has no talent...TNA has wrestlers ten times better than him in... (one of those x division wrestlers that just go by their names). People need to view things in the eyes of a casual fan.

LOL. Ignorance is Bliss

[Fox]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Oh it did, to a very very very little minority. Were you surprised the buyrate for the One Night Stand got a pretty low number?

Wrestling fans in general are quite a minority in the first place.

The influence ECW had on WWF and WCW back in the late 90's is enough, on it's own, to show the importance of ECW to professional wrestling. Not to mention the immense sales for THE RISE AND FALL OF ECW, nor the contributions of Steve Austin, Rob Van Dam, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Rey Mysterio, Dean Malenko, Raven, Chris Jericho, Jerry Lynn, Super Crazy, Tajiri, and the new NWA World Heavyweight Champion, Rhino - all of whom made their names and got their foot in the door through ECW.

Don't underestimate the importance of ECW on the landscape of wrestling today.

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by Fox Exactly what would you have done to make the situation any better? The main eventer facing the World Champion is injured two days before the show. Kevin Nash, as a former WCW and WWF World Champion, was apparently credible enough to win the belt, but without him, TNA had no choice but to make some kind of a decision. If not Rhino, who else? There is no one else with enough credibility to even be called the World Champion at this juncture in TNA's arrival to the main stream - Raven is being set up for a run down the road, AJ Styles is the X Division champion, Jeff Hardy couldn't carry the belt, and Monty Brown and Lance Hoyt just aren't over enough yet. The only other route they could have taken was to allow Jeff Jarrett to walk out of Bound For Glory with the World Title intact. That would be like Hulk Hogan and Mr.T jobbing for Roddy Piper and Paul Orndorff at WrestleMania - they're trying to start a reputation for BFG as their own biggest show of the year - and they needed a happy ending. Like I said, what would you have done differently?

Rhino stopped being treated as a credible main eventer the day after he arrived. He;s been firmly entrenched in the midcard. And, hasn't't he also been basically a heel, feuding with Sabu and Hardy?

There was no legit reason to take the strap off JJ. The best thing TNA has ever done was the Raven/JJ feud, and it looked as if they were headed in that direction again, and now they basically delivered a surprise ending which satisfied a tiny minority of TNA fans but also prorbably screwd up their stoylines for the next month or so, along with the main event for their next PPV.

[Fox]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Didn't I tell you before to stop looking at wrestling through "YOUR EYES" Monty is an ex pro football player, is known by people outside wrestling, has charisma to cut a promo, is over with the crowd and not just the smarks and has looked rather strong in TNA; The Only place he's BEEN. He's one of the few guys that's over that's a homegrown talent.

Simply put: Rhino is more over.

[Destor]

They called Bound for Glory their SuperBowl last night on Impact LC.

[Fox]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon And I would of had JJ retain. Simple as that. Build to eathier Raven or one of your young guys getting the Title down the road.

And pissing off every single person who ordered the PPV, sending them home unhappy with the main event, and possibly hurting the odds of those fans ordering next months PPV, or tuning into Impact this Saturday.

Horrible, horrible business decision.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Fox Wrestling fans in general are quite a minority in the first place.

What does this have to do with anything? We are discussing wrestling fans as a whole. And out of that whole, most people didn't watch nor pay attention to ECW. Especially in 1999, which is what I was arguing in the first place and then you took the arguement to argue the whole ECW

Originally Posted by Fox The influence ECW had on WWF and WCW back in the late 90's is enough, on it's own, to show the importance of ECW to professional wrestling. Not to mention the immense sales for THE RISE AND FALL OF ECW, nor the contributions of Steve Austin, Rob Van Dam, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Rey Mysterio, Dean Malenko, Raven, Chris Jericho, Jerry Lynn, Super Crazy, Tajiri, and the new NWA World Heavyweight Champion, Rhino - all of whom made their names and got their foot in the door through ECW. Don't underestimate the importance of ECW on the landscape of wrestling today.

I never said it wasn't "influential" All I was saying with my comment towards Rhino being an ECW Champion that it's not something to brag about, especially when nobody was even watchng in at the time. But again, you took the arguement to argue ECW as a whole again. When did I talk about ECW and it's contributions to wrestling? I never even went there. I said very few people watched and they did. And spoke about Rhino's title reign.

[Fox]

Originally Posted by PureHatred Rhino stopped being treated as a credible main eventer the day after he arrived. He;s been firmly entrenched in the midcard. And, hasn't't he also been basically a heel, feuding with Sabu and Hardy? There was no legit reason to take the strap off JJ. The best thing TNA has ever done was the Raven/JJ feud, and it looked as if they were headed in that direction again, and now they basically delivered a surprise ending which satisfied a tiny minority of TNA fans but also prorbably screwd up their stoylines for the next month or so, along with the main event for their next PPV.

When the main eventer of a PPV is suddenly injured, drastic and, in some people's eyes, radical decisions must be made. In tonight's case, it was the decision to put the World Title on Rhino.

In some ways, this could be considered a good thing for TNA. Rhino is the new champion - something they obviously did not have in the books - but they do have a 2-hour primetime special coming up in the next month. The next step is obvious. Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett for the World Title in the main event. Jarrett wins the belt again, Rhino moves on to another feud, and the Raven/Jarrett feud continues.

Not only does this generate more interest with a main event title match on TV, but it will create a more entertaining title match main event by having a belt switch.

[loopydate]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Yea, he'll sure put people in seats.

Let's not forget what happened the last time those words were said regarding a title change.

Honestly, though, putting it on Rhino made some sense to me. We all know Jarrett won't be allowed to be without the gold for long, so he'll win it back at whatever-their-next-PPV-is. But a surprise title change will get people talking.

Any casual fan who didn't order tonight's PPV after thinking long and hard about it will be thinking "I didn't order the show because I didn't really care about Diesel and J-E-double-F J-A-double-R-E-double-T. Wait...who won the title? Huh. Kinda wish I'd seen that."

Rhino put on a good show tonight from what I've heard. The Monster's Ball match was put together well and got an awesome reaction from the crowd. The guy who wins that match is going to come off looking like a million bucks. Any one of those guys would have been a viable #1 contender in those fans' eyes, and he's the one who beat 'em all in the most brutal match TNA has. He beat Abyss twice tonight!

Yes, he jobbed in WWE. But, honestly, who hasn't (besides UT, Hogan, Austin, and HHH)? They could have brought in Chris Jericho, and we'd all be going nuts. But Jericho was jobbed just as bad as Rhino, and he did it in a much more high-profile manner.

Now Raven has even more to complain about. Not only was he screwed by AMW at the BCW show, now the Championship Committee doesn't even put him in the gauntlet? I don't think it has to be Raven vs. Jarrett for this storyline to continue. It's Raven vs. Zybysko. It's Raven vs. TNA. It's Raven vs. the world. What about Raven, right?

I, for one, can't wait until Impact to see how this all plays out.

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by Fox Wrestling fans in general are quite a minority in the first place. The influence ECW had on WWF and WCW back in the late 90's is enough, on it's own, to show the importance of ECW to professional wrestling. Not to mention the immense sales for THE RISE AND FALL OF ECW, nor the contributions of Steve Austin, Rob Van Dam, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Rey Mysterio, Dean Malenko, Raven, Chris Jericho, Jerry Lynn, Super Crazy, Tajiri, and the new NWA World Heavyweight Champion, Rhino - all of whom made their names and got their foot in the door through ECW. Don't underestimate the importance of ECW on the landscape of wrestling today.

Not to sound like a kiss ass, but are you seriously trying to kick knowledge to Loose Cannon?

This has nothing to do with ECW or its contribution to the evolution of professional wrestling. This has to do with the fact that Rhino (who got over in ECW while it was on its very last days and should never even be mentioned in the same sentence as guys like Shane Douglas, Taz, Sabu, RVD, etc) wasn;t that over in the WWE, came over and got "OMG! WE STOLE A GUY FROM VINCE" pops for a month or so, and is now getting very lukewarm responses from TNA crowds. Two weeks ago on Impact, when all four Monsters Ball competitors were in the ring, Rhino was getting the l;east response.

Taking the belt was a bad move, and to comound it they picked the least over 'main eventer' they have in the company. (this could of course have been another brilliant plott by JJ to somehow show the bookers how much they need to keep the belt on him at all times)

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Fox Simply put: Rhino is more over.

Are you seeing a trend that nobody is agreeing with you? How is Rhino more over? Meltzer always says people who watch TNA love Monty Brown with a passion. Some casual guys know Monty Brown from being an ex-football player. HUGE in wrestling. Think Goldberg. Monty has been showcased in a lot of the past Impact's doing promos, doing quick sqash matches and the crowd eats it up. And Rhino, well he's just there.

[Destor]

Originally Posted by Fox And pissing off every single person who ordered the PPV, sending them home unhappy with the main event, and possibly hurting the odds of those fans ordering next months PPV, or tuning into Impact this Saturday. Horrible, horrible business decision.

So heels should never win, as it is a bad business decision?

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Fox In some ways, this could be considered a good thing for TNA. Rhino is the new champion - something they obviously did not have in the books - but they do have a 2-hour primetime special coming up in the next month. The next step is obvious. Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett for the World Title in the main event. Jarrett wins the belt again, Rhino moves on to another feud, and the Raven/Jarrett feud continues.

WTFFFFFFFFFF? Switch the Belt again? Do you want like Zero Cred for this Title or what. Do you know anything about making things "meaningful" in wrestling. This is like WCW 1999 booking right here. Just keep surprising people and keep switching Titles. Nobody will mind

[Fox]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon What does this have to do with anything? We are discussing wrestling fans as a whole. And out of that whole, most people didn't watch nor pay attention to ECW. Especially in 1999, which is what I was arguing in the first place and then you took the arguement to argue the whole ECW. I never said it wasn't "influential" All I was saying with my comment towards Rhino being an ECW Champion that it's not something to brag about, especially when nobody was even watchng in at the time. But again, you took the arguement to argue ECW as a whole again. When did I talk about ECW and it's contributions to wrestling? I never even went there. I said very few people watched and they did. And spoke about Rhino's title reign.

Your previous quote:

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon LOL, you're "He's a Former ECW Champion" line just lost you the argument right there.

Suggests that you are demeaning the importance of ECW as a whole. You suggest that to be a former ECW champion means nothing, and does not instill upon a wrestler a certain amount of credibility - to be precise, the amount of credibility neccesary to hold the NWA World Title at this point in time.

Nobody was watching at the time? I was watching at the time. Maybe to some ignorance is okay: not knowing who held what title at what time, nor why their qualifications are what they are. But to those of us who do know that Rhino is a former ECW World Champion, it does give him credibility, so do not demean the importance of ECW.

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by loopydate Let's not forget what happened the last time those words were said regarding a title change. Honestly, though, putting it on Rhino made some sense to me. We all know Jarrett won't be allowed to be without the gold for long, so he'll win it back at whatever-their-next-PPV-is. But a surprise title change will get people talking. Any casual fan who didn't order tonight's PPV after thinking long and hard about it will be thinking "I didn't order the show because I didn't really care about Diesel and J-E-double-F J-A-double-R-E-double-T. Wait...who won the title? Huh. Kinda wish I'd seen that." Rhino put on a good show tonight from what I've heard. The Monster's Ball match was put together well and got an awesome reaction from the crowd. The guy who wins that match is going to come off looking like a million bucks. Any one of those guys would have been a viable #1 contender in those fans' eyes, and he's the one who beat 'em all in the most brutal match TNA has. He beat Abyss twice tonight! Yes, he jobbed in WWE. But, honestly, who hasn't (besides UT, Hogan, Austin, and HHH)? They could have brought in Chris Jericho, and we'd all be going nuts. But Jericho was jobbed just as bad as Rhino, and he did it in a much more high-profile manner. Now Raven has even more to complain about. Not only was he screwed by AMW at the BCW show, now the Championship Committee doesn't even put him in the gauntlet? I don't think it has to be Raven vs. Jarrett for this storyline to continue. It's Raven vs. Zybysko. It's Raven vs. TNA. It's Raven vs. the world. What about Raven, right? I, for one, can't wait until Impact to see how this all plays out.

In that way, I can see the positives. And I don't really watch Impact for the World Title scene anyway, So I agree that I want to see how it plays out.

And Fox's point about the possibility of a title change on the 2 Hour Special is a valid one.

And I love the idea that loopy put out about Raven vs The World and I hope TNA picks up on it.

I think I mainly totally reject the idea that JJ retaining would've sent the viewers and ticket buyers home unhappy. I still believe the best decision would've been to leave the belt on JJ and to go from there.

[Fox]

Originally Posted by Destor So heels should never win, as it is a bad business decision?

How assinine.

For a heel to walk out of the "biggest show of the year," after defeating a man who was NOT billed to face him, and won the chance in some half-assed gauntlet match only minutes before, would be a horrible, horrible business decision.

There was no momentum building up toward a Jeff Jarrett victory. Rhino was bleeding before his encounter with JJ even began - there would be absolutely NO drama in a JJ victory. A Team 3D run-in afterwards would have made it more tolerable, but not enough to send the fans home happy.

[Jaton]

Not to mention, LC, you say to look at things from the casuals eyes. Would it not aggrivate casuals AND smarks alike for Jarrett to have won? I mean, Nash was supposed to be in the main event. So, the fans were expecting Jarrett to lose to him with Tito being the ref, more than likely. TNA wasn't able to deliver Nash, so they had Jarrett job to someone else. Casuals are happy, the TNA fans are happy.

For long term storylines, something in that match caught my eye. Jarrett had Rhino pinned after that first guitar shot and Tito's hand hit for 3, yet Rhino had kicked out slightly before. I could see them building on that to get Jarrett the title back, and then move on to Jarrett/Raven.


But, I don't claim to be an authority on it. I know you're much more wise about these things than I am.

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by Destor So heels should never win, as it is a bad business decision?

Exactly. That's why Ric Flair's 23,456,169 wins in NWA/WCW main events were such bad ideas.

[Jaton]

Does suck that it was so rushed, and so obvious.

[loopydate]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon WTFFFFFFFFFF? Switch the Belt again? Do you want like Zero Cred for this Title or what. Do you know anything about making things "meaningful" in wrestling. This is like WCW 1999 booking right here. Just keep surprising people and keep switching Titles. Nobody will mind

I'm seriously not trying to be contrary here, but...

In 1999, still in the middle of the perfect nothing-was-wrong-with-it-and-we-should-all-go-back-to-it (not a dig at LC, just at a lot of people on this board) Attitude Era, there were eleven WWF Title changes (Mankind lost to Rock who lost to Mankind, then Rock, Austin, UT, Austin, Mankind, HHH, Vince, HHH, and Big Show).

Frequent title changes aren't necessarily a bad thing. Yes, they usually are, but there are always exceptions to every rule. Odds are, TNA will fuck this up, because they usually do. But just because they're hotshotting the title doesn't mean that the title has zero credibility. It doesn't have any to the casual fan anyway, so what's the harm in seeing what sticks in its "mainstream" infancy?

[Fox]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon WTFFFFFFFFFF? Switch the Belt again? Do you want like Zero Cred for this Title or what. Do you know anything about making things "meaningful" in wrestling. This is like WCW 1999 booking right here. Just keep surprising people and keep switching Titles. Nobody will mind

Then what exactly would you suggest? Keep the belt on Rhino for an elongated amount of time? You're the one who said he doesn't have the credibility to be the champion - and to a certain extent, I agree - he shouldn't be champion, Jeff Jarrett should.

But under the circumstances coursing from the events that took place over the weekend (namely, Nash's injury and the quick decision for the BFG main event), Rhino IS the champion for the purpose of making tonight's main event mean something.

This DOES NOT MEAN that he should KEEP the title for a long period of time, and the best thing to do would be to have him the lose the title on a stage where there is a good chance that a lot of people will be watching (the primetime special in November).

Seriously, the NWA Title doesn't mean that much anyways. TNA is just getting off the ground floor. This series of title switches won't hurt the title's credibility. It makes Jarrett look like even more of a cheater heel (by winning the title twice, both times by unfair means), it makes Rhino look stronger by being a former NWA Champion and losing the title by crook, and it builds more momentum toward a Raven/Jarrett feud, IF they do it correctly.

[Destor]

Originally Posted by PureHatred Exactly. That's why Ric Flair's 23,456,169 wins in NWA/WCW main events were such bad ideas.

I wasn't saying I think its a bad idea to have heels win, Fox had yet to give a reason why Jarret shouldn't retained the title, other than the heel shouldn't win the big show. Which is retarded.

[PureHatred]

You can get away with hot-shotting a belt in the middle of a feud with both ugys having an equal reputation. Like Triple H and Rocky with the IC belt.

But if Rhino were to lose the title at the next big free TV event, as suggested, it would definitely allow JJ.Raven to conitnue, but it would as though the company were just correcting a mistake: like when Ronnie Garvin lost the NWA title back to Ric Flair in his first defense.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by loopydate Let's not forget what happened the last time those words were said regarding a title change.

JJ's segments have been getting high numbers on Impact, so from what I've been seeing, people want to watch him. And the babyface champion has a bigger responsibility of putting people in the seats and making people care because he's suppossed to be everyone's hero and the guy people look up to. But this is TNA, where there are no heels or babyfaces.

Originally Posted by looydtae Honestly, though, putting it on Rhino made some sense to me. We all know Jarrett won't be allowed to be without the gold for long, so he'll win it back at whatever-their-next-PPV-is. But a surprise title change will get people talking. Any casual fan who didn't order tonight's PPV after thinking long and hard about it will be thinking "I didn't order the show because I didn't really care about Diesel and J-E-double-F J-A-double-R-E-double-T. Wait...who won the title? Huh. Kinda wish I'd seen that. Rhino put on a good show tonight from what I've heard. The Monster's Ball match was put together well and got an awesome reaction from the crowd. The guy who wins that match is going to come off looking like a million bucks. Any one of those guys would have been a viable #1 contender in those fans' eyes, and he's the one who beat 'em all in the most brutal match TNA has. He beat Abyss twice tonight! Yes, he jobbed in WWE. But, honestly, who hasn't (besides UT, Hogan, Austin, and HHH)? They could have brought in Chris Jericho, and we'd all be going nuts. But Jericho was jobbed just as bad as Rhino, and he did it in a much more high-profile manner.

Rhino was jobbing on low profile matches to guys like Bradshaw. He doesn't have promo skills, he lacks charisma, and really sin't anything special. He was never a big deal at all in WWE, the place where it usually matters. Yea, guys like Jericho jobbed, but Jericho actually DREW money, was a HUGE deal, is high profile, can cut a great promo, has charisma, is known outside wrestling and has won a shit load of Titles for WWE and WCW. Theres' the Difference

Originally Posted by loopydate Now Raven has even more to complain about. Not only was he screwed by AMW at the BCW show, now the Championship Committee doesn't even put him in the gauntlet? I don't think it has to be Raven vs. Jarrett for this storyline to continue. It's Raven vs. Zybysko. It's Raven vs. TNA. It's Raven vs. the world. What about Raven, right? I, for one, can't wait until Impact to see how this all plays out.

Raven isn't the guy TNA needs to be going against the world for them. There's a reason they put the Title on him while they didn't have a show on the air. Just irritates me that they could of given JJ a credible win over someone tonight, could of made him look like a strong champ, but now they wasted that with a quick victory over him by Rhino.

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by Destor I wasn't saying I think its a bad idea to have heels win, Fox had yet to give a reason why Jarret shouldn't retained the title, other than the heel shouldn't win the big show. Which is retarded.

I was actually being overly facetious in order to further illustrate your point.

[loopydate]

Does it matter who has the title as long as they're booked strongly? We all know Jarrett's going to get the belt back anyway. If Rhino can run with what they've given him, what's the big deal? So Jarrett didn't look like a strong champion. I hate to break it to you, he's never looked like a strong champion, and he'll never look like a strong champion. Rhino has a shot. A remote one, but he has it. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt until I'm given a good reason to think otherwise.

[Destor]

Dont to that with morons. We don't get it. (PH)

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Fox Your previous quote: Suggests that you are demeaning the importance of ECW as a whole. You suggest that to be a former ECW champion means nothing, and does not instill upon a wrestler a certain amount of credibility - to be precise, the amount of credibility neccesary to hold the NWA World Title at this point in time. Nobody was watching at the time? I was watching at the time. Maybe to some ignorance is okay: not knowing who held what title at what time, nor why their qualifications are what they are. But to those of us who do know that Rhino is a former ECW World Champion, it does give him credibility, so do not demean the importance of ECW.

It does mean nothing today. Face it, most fans could give two shits if so and so was an ECW Champion today. Go ask some WWE fan, who's never watched TNA or ECW and see if he knows that Rhino was an ECW Champion. You'll find that those are the majority of wrestling fans today

[Destor]

Its just like asking a WWE fan if they knew Jerry Lawler held the AWA title. Probably not. ^^^

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Jaton Not to mention, LC, you say to look at things from the casuals eyes. Would it not aggrivate casuals AND smarks alike for Jarrett to have won? I mean, Nash was supposed to be in the main event. So, the fans were expecting Jarrett to lose to him with Tito being the ref, more than likely. TNA wasn't able to deliver Nash, so they had Jarrett job to someone else. Casuals are happy, the TNA fans are happy. For long term storylines, something in that match caught my eye. Jarrett had Rhino pinned after that first guitar shot and Tito's hand hit for 3, yet Rhino had kicked out slightly before. I could see them building on that to get Jarrett the title back, and then move on to Jarrett/Raven. But, I don't claim to be an authority on it. I know you're much more wise about these things than I am.

Yes, but we don't know for sure whether Nash was suppossed to win. Meltzer or somebody will know soon though.

But look: Nash is a guy that most casual fans love. They loved him in WCW and he has held WCW and a WWF World Title before. He's an alright champ to have. I still think he was going to lose, but to give it to Rhino? Seriously guys, RHINO? Does this guy scream "Big Player" to the wrestling world? He's a lifetime mid-carder is most people's eyes and I can just see people laughing at home at the thought of him carrying the NWA World Title. He's never been proven and to hold a Title like that is a big wtf?

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by The guy with the milk dud as his avater Its just like asking a WWE fan if they knew Jerry Lawler held the AWA title. Probably not. ^^^

I'm going to be honest. I hated everything I've read about Memphis wrestling that didn't involve either the Midnight Express or the Rock n Roll Express, and from the matches I've seen from his prime, Jerry lawler is one of the single most overrated performers ever.

Continue the TNA debate. I'm hoping for another reasonable, optimistic comment by loopy, followed by scads of unabated smarkish negativity from everyone else. .

[Mr. JL]

I think TNA needs to handle this new situation very delicately. This is how I would set it up.

I suggest 'claiming' that Rhino has reinjured his broken neck and will be unable to defend his title. They should build up his THREE big wins, and start setting up that he is the MAN and how he won the title with a broken neck or whatever. Then have Rhino should cut an classy emotional promo, and tell everyone in the back that he is setting up a tournament to crown the new champion.

Set up a big tournament for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship with obviously Jeff Jarrett V. Raven being in the finals match with Raven winning cleanly. This way, it makes the title the focus and also brings together the big Jarrett-Raven II match.

The downside is having to keep Rhino off the show, but still, it creates a ready made storyline when he "recovers" from his injuries.
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It won't happen but I believe it is the best, and most intriging way to do it from this point.

[loopydate]

LC, you keep forgetting that the alternative is Jeff Jarrett, who was last seen by most fans as:

In WWE - Losing to Chyna
In WCW - Holding the title in the last throes of a dying promotion.

[Fox]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon It does mean nothing today. Face it, most fans could give two shits if so and so was an ECW Champion today. Go ask some WWE fan, who's never watched TNA or ECW and see if he knows that Rhino was an ECW Champion. You'll find that those are the majority of wrestling fans today

And I repeat:

Originally Posted by FOX Maybe to some ignorance is okay: not knowing who held what title at what time, nor why their qualifications are what they are. But to those of us who do know that Rhino is a former ECW World Champion, it does give him credibility, so do not demean the importance of ECW.

I have found, in my experience, that fans who only watch WWE and have never seen ECW (or TNA, I guess; it's relatively new) are idiot marks.

Besides, what you just said is completely illogical. If someone has never seen TNA, then why do they care if Rhino is the champion in the first place?

[McLegend]

Damnit Somebody talk about the 30 min Ironman match.

Was it better then the first?