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Old 08-11-2006, 12:34 PM   #161
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I hated Cena before it was cool.
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Old 08-11-2006, 02:26 PM   #162
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Too bad your hatred is no different than the fanboys who love him.
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:22 PM   #163
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See just john, you actually made a point there. However, I wouldn't take Cena v. Big Show as a prime example. When you're wrestling somebody that big, you HAVE to pull out different moves. He can't just toss the Big Show around like nothing, and it wouldn't look right for Show to be floored by a clothesline. During Cena's championship tenure, I think he was mostly just repetitive on Raw, but his PPV matches were as good as they'd ever been from him.
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:28 PM   #164
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I kinda meant the end, considering Cena wasn't as over then as he is now, just an FU would ruin the match, no one would buy that, but the part with the brass knucks and the chain distraction was pretty damn innovative, at least when he isnt expected to win all the time you can see some pretty cool shit on his behalf, I just think Cena needs to step down and heel it up, he needs the equivilent of Hogans' nWo turn.
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:32 PM   #165
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He can't have that now, though. When Hogan did it, EVERYBODY was a Hogan fan. Now if he turned heel, he'd probably get the same mixed reaction, only the people that booed before might start to cheer and vice versa.
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:32 PM   #166
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If Cena would've turned heel as SOON as he won the title, I would've loved that.
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Yeah, he needs a fued with someone the marks and possibly 'smarks' detest, then just snap it up and get them to join forces in some kinda plot twist.
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:36 PM   #168
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I really don't think there's anybody who could do that for him at press time.
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The major problem I have with Cena's character is that they haven't booked him to lose clean in so long, I actually can't remember the last time that occured. Let's look at some of his opponents within the last year or so:

Chris Jericho
Kurt Angle
Edge
HHH
RVD

All of these are arguably Hall of Fame wrestlers/superstars. Cena's character is booked as "unorthodoxed", "not technically sound", "street fighter", etc. Would it really kill him to lose a fucking match and, oh...I don't know, admittedly learn something from these ring veterans? The fact that he's booked OVER and OVER again in superman fashion over these calibur opponents is bullshit. All the opponents I have mentioned have lost clean within the time frame Cena moved to Raw, why can't he? That would make him more human and give his matches a hint of realism that he's sorely missing IMO. "Same old shit" sums it up perfectly.
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:46 PM   #170
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Yeah, sometimes I hate smarks, they complain about wrestling but dont do anything, at least marks are buying shit, which keeps WWE alive.

I think WWE tried to appeal to the smarks when they thought "Hmm, smarks like technical wrestlers, lets give him a submission hold to use alot" when really, it just doesnt fit Cena.

If Cena was such a brawler that he's made out to be he should use it alot more, people would still cheer him, and it would make his character seem more real. Cena fighting dirty doesnt automatically make him a heel.
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I really don't think there's anybody who could do that for him at press time.
Big Vis? He could be the white sexual chocolate.
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:56 PM   #172
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I was actually quite impressed with the Cena/Viscera match on Monday.
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Actually, you know that Vis thing got me thinking, You know he wears that big PVC coat thing, is that even allowed? I mean, there is restrictions on attire, guys like the hardy boyz and the undertaker have bypassed it because it helps their image, but Vis doesnt really have an image, and if he does, is it important enough to be allowed to wear it?
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:59 PM   #174
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He wears pajamas, man.
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Woah shit, are bathrobes prohibited too?
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Old 08-11-2006, 04:04 PM   #176
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OK, what the fuck are you talking about? If you mean the dress code, that only applies to being in public. You can wear whatever you want in the ring.
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I was actually quite impressed with the Cena/Viscera match on Monday.
It wasn't nearly as bad I thought it was gonna be, I'll give you that.

The more I think about it, all Cena would have to do is kick the shit out of Lilian for the heel turn and team up with Vis/Haas. "Yo, quit dissin' my niggaz Mexitease!"

Then after Lita costs Edge his title, he could beat the botch out of her and join with Vis, Haas and Cena. They could be a wife beater faction.

See, this is practically writing itself!

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Old 08-11-2006, 04:09 PM   #178
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OK, what the fuck are you talking about? If you mean the dress code, that only applies to being in public. You can wear whatever you want in the ring.
No, you can't. It can only be leotards, trunks, shorts, tights. With rubber soled trainers/boots. Hence why you wont see wrestlers wrestling in Jeans, also there are restrictions for protruding things like horns, spikes, etc. of course all that is bypassed if the wrestler can make a valid case as to why it fits his character.
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I don't think Cena would be getting a mixed reaction had they turned him heel. He was already essentially a heel, and they went on to cheer him for it, because he was entertaining. Even as a face, it didn't bother people that much, until they decided to ram him down our throats.

It really is the "force fed" phenomenon that everyone hates. The fact that he's gone from being a brilliant heel to a boring face doesn't help matters much, but I don't think it matters much either way anyway.

The WWE fans said, "we like strawberry ice cream." WWE said "We're giving you vanilla." WWE fans said, "Oh well, ice cream's ice cream." So they ate, and then WWE proceded to take it and shove it down the fans' throats. Now the fans are sick, fat, and in jeopardy of losing a foot to diabetes.
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No, you can't. It can only be leotards, trunks, shorts, tights. With rubber soled trainers/boots. Hence why you wont see wrestlers wrestling in Jeans, also there are restrictions for protruding things like horns, spikes, etc. of course all that is bypassed if the wrestler can make a valid case as to why it fits his character.
The British Bulldog wrestled in jeans during his 'hardcore' years in the WWE. The Smoking Gunns wrestled in jeans. Cena wrestles in jean shorts and gym shoes. I could go on, but I don't feel I have to.
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Because it is Cenas image to wear that stuff, same with others, there is more in the acceptable range than in the unacceptable range
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And the WWE is FULL of characters. Are you trying to say that you must dress the code unless it fits your character? That's silly. Anybody can have a character and make a case for wearing whatever in the ring. In that sense, there are no restrictions. It sounds like you're saying there's a dress code for people who have no personality whatsoever.

On a side note, remember Goldust back when he was in his REALLY weird phase with Luna? He wear the most cracked out shit of all time.
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And the WWE is FULL of characters. Are you trying to say that you must dress the code unless it fits your character? That's silly. Anybody can have a character and make a case for wearing whatever in the ring. In that sense, there are no restrictions. It sounds like you're saying there's a dress code for people who have no personality whatsoever.

On a side note, remember Goldust back when he was in his REALLY weird phase with Luna? He wear the most cracked out shit of all time.
Mistake on my behalf, I phrased it wrong, not really a dresscode, but there are restrictions on ring attire, like metal and things.
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Sure, but he doesn't even wear metal anymore. He wears pajamas. It is a part of his character, though.. The World's Largest Love Machine.
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Because it is Cenas image to wear that stuff, same with others, there is more in the acceptable range than in the unacceptable range
What about wrestlers forced to wrestle in their street clothes?

There's no real dress code. You wear a costume, but a costume can be anything from jeans to S&M.

I'd imagine some things are banned, but don't tell us that jeans are banned or that there's a strict code of dress, when it's clear there is not.
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John Cena picked up his 100th victory in 2006 by defeating Viscera on Monday Night Raw. For those who really want to get detailed with this, Cena's record is 100-14-1 in 115 matches.

^---That's what I dislike. I hate supermen. Wether it's John Cena, Triple H, Hugo Fabuki or the Man in the Moon, I can't stand indestructible people.
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Mistake on my behalf, I phrased it wrong, not really a dresscode, but there are restrictions on ring attire, like metal and things.
They restrict things which are overtly dangerous. The LOD couldn't wrestle in their spikes. What on the Hardyz is restricted? Or would be, if it didn't fit their character?
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You can't tape butcher knives to your attire unless your gimmick is a chef.
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John Cena picked up his 100th victory in 2006 by defeating Viscera on Monday Night Raw. For those who really want to get detailed with this, Cena's record is 100-14-1 in 115 matches.

^---That's what I dislike. I hate supermen. Wether it's John Cena, Triple H, Hugo Fabuki or the Man in the Moon, I can't stand indestructible people.
I think their intention was not to make him a Superman, but to make him an underdog. Apparently, they failed, but still.
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Old 08-11-2006, 04:33 PM   #191
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John Cena picked up his 100th victory in 2006 by defeating Viscera on Monday Night Raw. For those who really want to get detailed with this, Cena's record is 100-14-1 in 115 matches.

^---That's what I dislike. I hate supermen. Wether it's John Cena, Triple H, Hugo Fabuki or the Man in the Moon, I can't stand indestructible people.
And what do you want to bet that more than half of those losses weren't clean?
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Old 08-11-2006, 04:35 PM   #193
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I think their intention was not to make him a Superman, but to make him an underdog. Apparently, they failed, but still.
Yeah, the problem is the underdog thing only works if it legitimately feels like they're overcoming the odds. When someone always wins against insurmountable odds, it's expected. Much like Superman.
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And what do you want to bet that all those losses weren't clean?
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I think their intention was not to make him a Superman, but to make him an underdog. Apparently, they failed, but still.
HOw is winning 100 out of 115 matches giving the vibe of "underdog"?
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That loss to Edge at NYR was clean....techincally. I mean sure it was following an Elimination Chamber, but the decision in the match that started immediately afterwards was untainted.
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They restrict things which are overtly dangerous. The LOD couldn't wrestle in their spikes. What on the Hardyz is restricted? Or would be, if it didn't fit their character?
I think they were gonna have barbed wire or something of the sort through their pants, to make them seem extreme but it was too dangerous apparently.
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And what do you want to bet that more than half of those losses weren't clean?
Clean or not, man...that's a ridiculous ratio.
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HOw is winning 100 out of 115 matches giving the vibe of "underdog"?
I said they failed.

But they kept pushing it like Cena was supposed to lose. How Angle was more talented as a wrestler. How Triple H was the same way. They were TRYING to make him an underdog, but they just did a shit job of it.
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I bet Hogan had a better record in 1992.
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