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Old 03-13-2008, 12:23 PM   #161
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Yes Orton did all of that, however he also got sent on anger management courses and was also suspended for his violations. Or did you conveniently forget those details. Orton has served his punishments, Hardy should do the same.

And Hardy hasn't, as he doesn't think he has a problem. Jeff has refused treatment at least once, where Orton has not. You see, Orton really has "served his time" and Jeff, so far, has not.
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:24 PM   #162
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Also, I am and have always been a fan of the Hardys. Sometimes I think Jeff is overpushed, but it's lesss because I hate him and more because I know shit like this going to happen again. And again.
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:43 PM   #163
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that's how I felt about RVD in 2006.... I knew he was going to fuck it up

although I never really liked rob van kick but Cena would've been eaten alive if he won at ONS.
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:45 PM   #164
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I was under the impression that they changed how "suspensions" worked!?

I thought they were taken off the house show circuit, were docked any pay due to them during the period that they are suspended BUT were allowed to work on TV so as not to disrupt any on going storylines.

Did they change this? Did they ever do this in the first place? Am I going mad?
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:50 PM   #165
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You would be forgiven for thinking Vince McMahon may be upset about Jeff Hardy's inability (once again) to follow the company's drug policy, but that apparently is not the case.

One source has claimed that McMahon has been waiting for an incident like this to happen and that suspension of one of the company's biggest stars puts WWE in a strong position if Congress or anyone else questions the company's drug testing policy.

Hardy is now destined to mid-card status for life, another source claims, with Vince McMahon not even willing to contemplate future creative plans for the former Intercontinental Champion at this time. The same source also claims that Hardy has cost himself a Spring run with the WWE Title.
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I was under the impression that they changed how "suspensions" worked!?

I thought they were taken off the house show circuit, were docked any pay due to them during the period that they are suspended BUT were allowed to work on TV so as not to disrupt any on going storylines.

Did they change this? Did they ever do this in the first place? Am I going mad?
That's only for the first suspension. I believe the second is mandatory.
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Either way, I really don't expect Jeff to be with the WWE much longer.

Two violations of the Wellness Policy within 6 Months of one another?
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Old 03-13-2008, 04:05 PM   #168
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I was under the impression that they changed how "suspensions" worked!?

I thought they were taken off the house show circuit, were docked any pay due to them during the period that they are suspended BUT were allowed to work on TV so as not to disrupt any on going storylines.

Did they change this? Did they ever do this in the first place? Am I going mad?
They changed the policy recently, but I can't remember what changes were made. However, as Xero pointed out, that was for first suspension. I think they changed it anyway, as they took flak over it.
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60 days, damn Jeff is happy right about now. Just imagine....

WWE Agent: Jeff, you have been caught violating the Wellness Policy. Therefore you will be suspended for 60 days.

Jeff: So I have 60 days of not having to take any more drug test?

WWE Agent: Ummmmmm I suppose you can look at it like that.
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Do we know what drugs he failed for? Not gonna read all these pages.
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Alright, I'm not going to be a complete dick about this anymore. I feel bad for Jeff Hardy. He did finally get an opportunity to be the man and he stepped up. He was not the worse possible candidate to win the WWE Title (MVP). I was almost looking forward to the obvious Hardy/Cena - Hardy/Triple H fued. The fact that Jeff will pretty much sit in mid-card hell for the rest of his career now is completely depressing. I hope if nothing else, he learns from this as just a life lession and gets his shit together.

Also, should he quit and go to Japan/Mexico/TNA - or should he just get his mega-pops and paychecks in WWE?
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I think if the WWE were smart they'd have him piss in a cup a week before his 60 day suspension is up.
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Old 03-14-2008, 08:06 AM   #173
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Alright, I'm not going to be a complete dick about this anymore. I feel bad for Jeff Hardy. He did finally get an opportunity to be the man and he stepped up. He was not the worse possible candidate to win the WWE Title (MVP). I was almost looking forward to the obvious Hardy/Cena - Hardy/Triple H fued. The fact that Jeff will pretty much sit in mid-card hell for the rest of his career now is completely depressing. I hope if nothing else, he learns from this as just a life lession and gets his shit together.

Also, should he quit and go to Japan/Mexico/TNA - or should he just get his mega-pops and paychecks in WWE?
What's with the sympathy for Jeff Hardy? He's an adult. Nobody forced him to take drugs, and nobody forced him to be a flake. He blew the shot all by himself. Why feel bad for a guy who doesn't care enough to avoid pissing his own push away?
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A special song, by RVD and Jeff Hardy:

Up in Smoke, that's where my career goes
in my lungs and sometimes up my nose
when injuries begin to bother me
I take a toke and all my cares go up in smoke.

Up in Smoke, that's where my career goes
because Funaki takes a leak for RKO
when wellness time begins to bother me
I take a toke and spend 60 days up in smoke!
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Old 03-15-2008, 03:25 AM   #175
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I'm curious to see what happens if Jeff Hardy fails again. The WWE would have to release him, and that would mean he'd be up for grabs. We'd probably see Jeff Hardy in TNA again, which would mean a lot more than it did then.
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Jeff probably couldn't even walk without roids and painkillers. I just feel sorry he was in that position.
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Old 03-15-2008, 08:50 AM   #177
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I'm curious to see what happens if Jeff Hardy fails again. The WWE would have to release him, and that would mean he'd be up for grabs. We'd probably see Jeff Hardy in TNA again, which would mean a lot more than it did then.
Of course, if Congress is still looking into wrestling at that point, Jeff might find himself unable to get arrested.
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Old 03-15-2008, 09:27 AM   #178
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TNA Wrestling is also now testing for drugs as well, and turning over the findings to Congress, reportedly.

So, Jeff Hardy could be shit out of luck when comes to working there as well.

Then again TNA did hire Angle & Booker, regardless of how many times they've admitted to doing drugs and/or failing drug tests.
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Well, that was a nice, long series of lies there. If you're going to make dishonest comparisons, you need to be much smoother than that.



What idiotic reasoning.

And if you're not too busy with self-serving reasoning, this is Jeff's second violation.



Yeah, why would anyone want to join a company that would continue to re-hire and re-push idiots like Jeff Hardy who always blow it, pay them good money (Especially compared to the indies), and push guys to the moon if they didn't fuck up?

Vince didn't screw Jeff, Jeff screwed Jeff.


Irrelevant.
Ok KK I trust you will now show me proof that he has no-showed since being fired last time. And in terms of wellness policy violation, do you HONESTLY think that Batista, HHH, Vince, Crena don't use steroids?

Also in my "long string of lies", prey tell, where was I lying.

Seriously KK get off that fucking high horse would you. 100,000+ posts doesn't make you the god of wrestling info. I already stated that I agree jeff is to blame, I was merely stating that a few of their top stars are blatently being protected from the wellness policy.

How about you leave the computer for a while and go out in to the real world.
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Just because he hasn't no-showed since he came back doesn't mean that shouldn't be taken into consideration. The fact that he failed this test shows that he's still just as irresponsible as before.

In fact, he should have been on zero tolerance in the first place. First fuck up and he's gone. He's fucked up twice and is still employed. He's had chance after chance after chance (at least one of those chances being the no-shows) and he keeps blowing it.
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Ok KK I trust you will now show me proof that he has no-showed since being fired last time.

Didn't say that.

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And in terms of wellness policy violation, do you HONESTLY think that Batista, HHH, Vince, Crena don't use steroids?
Or that.

If you want something to argue against, can you like argue against things I actually say? I'm sure Bats and Trips and Vince and Cena all do some sort of enhancement drugs. I'm also sure they have the marginal intelligence to get a legit script. Hell, even the word "legit" is in the loosest sense.

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Seriously KK get off that fucking high horse would you. 100,000+ posts doesn't make you the god of wrestling info.
Good thing I've never made that claim, then. It seems something brought up as a strawman when dumb fucks don't have any sort of legitimate argument and are severely butthurt over being called on it.

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I already stated that I agree jeff is to blame, I was merely stating that a few of their top stars are blatently being protected from the wellness policy.
Doesn't make your excuses any more ridiculous or your reasoning any more flawed.

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How about you leave the computer for a while and go out in to the real world.
Howabout you stop taking the internet so seriously that you need to get ridiculously worked up over it. 100K posts, and I'm still not the one getting butthurt and making personal attacks to justify my own poor reasoning.
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Just because he hasn't no-showed since he came back doesn't mean that shouldn't be taken into consideration. The fact that he failed this test shows that he's still just as irresponsible as before.

In fact, he should have been on zero tolerance in the first place. First fuck up and he's gone. He's fucked up twice and is still employed. He's had chance after chance after chance (at least one of those chances being the no-shows) and he keeps blowing it.

Xero's on the mark. You also don't get to pick and choose crimes and punishments.
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I will say that it's a shame that Triple H, John Cena and all the rest of the roiders get away with it, but Jeff Hardy should not be let go just because of that.
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I will say that it's a shame that Triple H, John Cena and all the rest of the roiders get away with it, but Jeff Hardy should not be let go just because of that.
If Jeff Hardy's non-enhancement drug issues persist then there could be an argument made that he is going to end up the same fucked up way he was before in late 2002 and early 2003, before he was fired.

So, may as well either deal with the issue now or fire him before he becomes dependant/completely burnt out.
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Oh, it's the best thing for Hardy. You know, assuming that he seeks help.

Another Jeff Hardy return idea: Hardy comes back with Ron Simmons and/or Jake Roberts at his side. Basically they play guys that found each other in rehab, bonded over their experiences, and how drugs stopped them from being as successful as they could have been in the WWE.

They could be a heel stable, or even a face one. It also gives Jeff someone who can talk better than him. Wait, can Jake Roberts talk?
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Old 03-15-2008, 04:41 PM   #186
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I will say that it's a shame that Triple H, John Cena and all the rest of the roiders get away with it, but Jeff Hardy should not be let go just because of that.
The cliché, "two wrongs do not make a right" comes to mind.

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Oh, it's the best thing for Hardy. You know, assuming that he seeks help.

Which, of course, he won't. Unless, of course, he's actually forced to. Which I'd like to see done, but won't happen.
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