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Old 07-20-2009, 07:41 PM   #161
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Oddly, I feel like the people on both sides of this argument are coming off looking like a bunch of douches taking way too much pride in something they have no part in outside of sitting back on their couch and watching.

Just sayin...
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Old 07-20-2009, 08:07 PM   #162
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Yep, I'm a fan of both and I want the WWE to get better
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Old 07-20-2009, 08:34 PM   #163
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Oddly, I feel like the people on both sides of this argument are coming off looking like a bunch of douches taking way too much pride in something they have no part in outside of sitting back on their couch and watching.

Just sayin...
See and just two days ago I'd taken you off my ignore list..
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:08 PM   #164
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lol. I don't even know what that's supposed to mean...
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:24 PM   #165
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It means you are complete and total moron.. We can't have opinions on stuff we don't actively do??

That's is possibly the most retarded thing I've ever heard..
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:26 PM   #166
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That being said, how do you feel about gay sex??
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:29 PM   #167
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There's a difference between having opinions and flaunting some unwarranted sense of superiority because you are a fan of the almighty UFC as opposed to WWE and vice versa.
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:36 PM   #168
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See and just two days ago I'd taken you off my ignore list..
Seriously. If you are so sensitive to seeing something written by someone online that you have to put them on an "ignore list" to prevent the chance that you might accidentally read something they wrote, fine. Kinda makes you a pussy BUT If that somehow makes you feel good, do it. Fuck it.

When you make it a point to say who's on your ignore list or bring it up and make it known to the world, then it just makes you a full blown retard. Seriously. You're actually a step BELOW "I'm moving you off my top 8 on my MySpace."
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:49 PM   #169
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lol

You are such a ridiculous person..

No one is flaunting anything.. I put you on ignore because 9 outta 10 of your posts are like these.. Nonsensical and retarded..
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lI put you on ignore because...
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Old 07-20-2009, 10:02 PM   #171
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Do you wanna find me on MySpace so you can block me and then write a nice blog about it?

Or maybe I can make a Twitter account so you can follow and then unfollow me and then you can tweet all day with stuff like "OMG NOT FOLLOWING #1-WWF-FAN ANYMORE JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS!!!"
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Old 07-20-2009, 10:02 PM   #172
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See?? You still haven't answered my question.. Are we not supposed to have opinions on things we aren't currently active in??

I haven't played football in like 9 years, so by your logic, I can't discuss it??

Nonsensical and retarded..
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Old 07-20-2009, 10:03 PM   #173
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There's a difference between having opinions and flaunting some unwarranted sense of superiority because you are a fan of the almighty UFC as opposed to WWE and vice versa.
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Old 07-20-2009, 10:04 PM   #174
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That was posted a half an hour ago, retard.
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Old 07-20-2009, 10:05 PM   #175
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Nice and underlined and bold for you now. Thought that might help.
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Old 07-20-2009, 10:10 PM   #176
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No one has been doing that though.. The fact is UFC is much more popular than the WWE these days.. This thread is discussing how the WWE could take some of the things that made the UFC great and apply them to their product.. The only person how has been the least bit uppity was St. Jimmy..

Still a ridiculous thing to say, no matter how you try to explain it..
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Old 07-20-2009, 10:19 PM   #177
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I'm not gonna go through and quote all the stuff about "typical wrestling fans" and moving the topic out of our beloved wrestling forum just because it mentions MMA, and just the overpowering sense of entitlement by half the people who have posted that I wouldn't even be able to drill into your brain since it requires more than one dimension of thought, etc.

Swear to God though, I am SO close to blocking you though if you don't stop!!!!
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Also maybe if you thought out your posts and atleast tried to construct multiple points in one post, instead of this spamming 8 posts in a row, none of which add anything to the conversation style, you seem to have, that post wouldn't have been missed..
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Old 07-20-2009, 10:25 PM   #179
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Maybe if you had actually blocked me instead of talking about it like a teenage girl looking for attention, you wouldn't have to worry about it
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Old 07-20-2009, 10:29 PM   #180
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You use to do the same thing in the NFL threads..
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Did I? And I'm doing it again? That's grounds for a trip to the ignore list...
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I don't know if all the moves from MMA would translate well to pro wrestling. Worth a try, but I think the bigger thing WWE should do is simplify their story line's.

Just make it wrestler A wants to beat wrestler B because he has the title or he wants to prove he's better. Don't bring all these other stupid things into feuds.

Just keep it simple.
It can get personal too.... but just with trash talking, not because someone hit someone's wife with a sledgehammer.
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Considering this is our only contact in the past year, and you still seem to add nothing constructive to the conversation, perhaps..
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I'm not gonna go through and quote all the stuff about "typical wrestling fans" and moving the topic out of our beloved wrestling forum just because it mentions MMA, and just the overpowering sense of entitlement by half the people who have posted that I wouldn't even be able to drill into your brain since it requires more than one dimension of thought, etc.

Swear to God though, I am SO close to blocking you though if you don't stop!!!!
I'll take the blame for the typical wrestling fan stuff, but that was because a lot of them were being douches and not listening or reading what I was saying. I'm not attacking wrestling and being like "OMG MMA IS LEGIT WRESTLING SUX", wrestling is fucking great, the craft can be a beautiful thing. It can just adapt to the times as opposed to being in a stalemate. That doesn't mean having twitters and myspace and talking about bromances. It means growing with your audience who was 13 about 10 years ago and now wants something that fits their niche a little better. UFC does that right now, and there's no reason that the WWE couldn't.
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Old 07-20-2009, 10:41 PM   #185
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Considering this is our only contact in the past year, and you still seem to add nothing constructive to the conversation, perhaps..
Don't "perhaps" shit. Grow some fucking balls back. You already talked about it like a little fucking pussy, trying to "threaten" people with ignore lists. It would have been respectable to just do it. Like I said, if you do it and no one else knows about it, it's for whatever personal reasons you have, and it's somewhat respectable. At this point, you're just digging a hole but at least salvage something and stop being a little bitch trying to use "ignore lists" as a threat.
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Krispy my man, for the sake of this thread which was already on somewhat shakey ground I'll ask you to back off, pm him if there's enough hate to warrant it

You too wwffan,
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I'll take the blame for the typical wrestling fan stuff, but that was because a lot of them were being douches and not listening or reading what I was saying. I'm not attacking wrestling and being like "OMG MMA IS LEGIT WRESTLING SUX", wrestling is fucking great, the craft can be a beautiful thing. It can just adapt to the times as opposed to being in a stalemate. That doesn't mean having twitters and myspace and talking about bromances. It means growing with your audience who was 13 about 10 years ago and now wants something that fits their niche a little better. UFC does that right now, and there's no reason that the WWE couldn't.
It's not all one dimensional though. WWE could decide to go a hundred diffent directions. They could completely copy UFC's style, go old school wrestling or they could just run the dramatic weekly show that worked 10 years ago. If the writing is good, any of those methods has the chance to be huge and make money and draw a crowd of some type. If the writing sucks, the "perfect" formula bombs. There really is no right or wrong "style".
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It's not all one dimensional though. WWE could decide to go a hundred diffent directions. They could completely copy UFC's style, go old school wrestling or they could just run the dramatic weekly show that worked 10 years ago. If the writing is good, any of those methods has the chance to be huge and make money and draw a crowd of some type. If the writing sucks, the "perfect" formula bombs. There really is no right or wrong "style".
See at the end of the day though the formula is one dimensional. The idea is simple, people are paying to see guy a face guy b, and they want it to be good. You can throw all the sledgehammers, the necrophilia, the crucifictions, the man on women violence, the arseny, the attempted manslaughter.... it's all a way to get the fans to buy into guy a vs. guy b. The problem is, the zanier and straight up more fucking stupid it gets, people stop caring. Take that for what it's worth.

The benefits of the realism are simple too.... if someone hit someone with a chair in the ufc there would be an uproar... obviously the wwe could never equal that uproar because it's scripted and everyone knows it. However, if people stopped getting hit by chairs EVERY week, and you know once or twice a year, someone really got laced, there would be way more of a reaction.

It's like fucking someone. If you're getting tang all the time, it gets boring no matter how bomb the sex is... however if little lady moves to school and ur onnly seeing her a few times a month, if even, the tang tastes that much sweeter.
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How do UFC arrive at their matches? Is it simply the highest ranked UFC Heavyweight fighter gets a shot at the UFC Heavyweight champion? How are the rankings decided and how did Brock Lesnar come in and shoot straight to the top, or was that just a special exception due to his popularity coming in to the UFC?
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The other guys might be better off answering, but from what I gather, it's a mix of rankings and $$$$ (matches that draw). With Brock, it was certainly about $$$, but he's proven to actually be a good fighter thus far. I argued Brock's shot at first because it came so fast, but he has made me eat my words thus far
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Much like the wwe, they find the person that is best for business. Sometimes best for business is the top contender, sometimes it's just a big name.

For example when Randy Couture got the title shot against Sylvia, he was retired and hadn't fought at heavyweight in years, and was in fact a light heavy because the big boys were just too big. However, the heavyweight roster was lacking in drawing power because they were boring and not the best division, and that's what made them bring in Couture. It was genius because the fight made him even more of a legend and even more of a draw.


Almost seems like wrestling angle to me
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Almost seems like wrestling angle to me

Oh come on now
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It's not even a UFC booking strength per se that WWE fails miserably at.

I've been saying WWE's #1 problem is the inability to make realistic characters as far as the scripted "wrestling abilities". I've never really known how to put it into words. I had the problem with the Rock. He was built as one of the greatest "wrestlers" of all time but his win-loss record was pretty abysmal. It didn't make sense. Outside of the man's amazing charisma and promo skills, I hated him as a character. Skills as far as putting on entertaining matches aside, the outcomes were meaningless.

Part of this is what is already being said it this topic but really, I don't think it's a "Take a lesson from UFC" thing seeing as how UFC doesn't pre-determine their winners at all. It's more of a "Take a lesson from common sense" thing and make each and every wrestler have their own little "imaginary wrestling ability". If someone can go through a stellar 20 minute match on PPV, don't have them get beaten in 5 minutes by a lesser opponent on free TV. If a 20 minute PPV match match against whoever matches their "imaginary skills", then keep that up. Let that be what they are all about.

In many ways though, this is being done superbly on Smackdown! The whole thing with CM Punk being able to pull through some great matches against main event opponents and then having problems with a not quite main event John Morrison two weeks in a row (A man who he has consistently had trouble beating for some reason) and getting beaten with a fluke pin after a long hard fought bout is AMAZING booking and everything wrestling should be.

He's losing non-title matches, which pissed everyone off when he was on Raw but now suddenly, it's actually being done in a smart manner and people aren't pissed.
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