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Old 12-25-2010, 09:37 PM   #201
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Old 12-25-2010, 11:53 PM   #203
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Another thing to consider is the fact that Dolph was out of position. The move he does is normally done to the guy in the corner, and Dolph was several inches from the corner. Basically, since he wasn't where he should have been, he may have taken the impact a lot harder. I don't know what it is, but he seems to have some problems with positioning. Like in his match with Daniel Bryan where he was way to close to the ring when DB went for the suicide dive.
That's actually something I've noticed with Ziggler, too. I love the guy, and I hope it's not something that keeps him back, but around the time he was feuding with Rey Mysterio, and there were reports Rey didn't want to put Ziggler over (which may or may not be true), I noticed that when Ziggler worked with Rey sometime after that, he was busting his ass, but a little too hard. The guy will take some vicious bumps and such, but he often moves out of position with them, and guys have to move him, or in Rey's case, almost crash and burn because Ziggler's a little out.
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Old 12-26-2010, 12:32 AM   #206
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Dolph Zigler and all of u should remember that this is a contact sport and bug deal so you get hurt sometimes, Dolph Ziggler shouldnt be a whiny little girl and should MAN UP. What WWE needs is more guys who can work a style like Kaval that looks REAL instead of guys who do stuff that looks so fake that even a 3 year old will say its fake. I mean we know wrestlings isnt real but at least try to make it look real. With this rate soon wrestlers will wrestle each other by pretending to touch each other and shouting moves in the air and acting like they got hit like there in an efed or something if ya catch my drift :d but seriously if Kaval works a better style they shouldve improvised on it and not run around crying this is a full contact sport not chess!
Dolph Ziggler was joking about the incident on Twitter. Something like "I'm fine after my match with Kaval. Sorry, losers, but your indy darling didn't hurt me, as much as you would like him to."

Not verbatim, but Ziggler was basically working people while hurt. Manning up on Ziggler's part has nothing to do with it.

I'd also just like to address the points Kaval was treated like garbage. Could not disagree more. The guy never really had a program going, but he was featured quite consistently on SmackDown! and/or Superstars, having competitive matches with former World Champions. He would team up with top faces and get pretty big victories. Yeah, they started him out on a losing streak, but it seemed as if the WWE were forgetting about that.

Yes, the WWE should have had more for him. Yes, his relationship with LayCool was not exploited to the best of its abilities post-NXT. Yes, the guy had all the talent in the world to make it, and yes, he even showed on NXT that he can cut a promo and be entertaining when not kicking people's heads in. But Kaval ultimately should have had more patience, because he would have made it eventually. I'd say post-WrestleMania season next year would have seen him do a little more. Kaval is just seemingly frustrated with doing all the travel and basically killing time with the company. That's his prerogative, and more power to him. But let's stop whining about it.

To be honest, after Bragging Rights, I think they missed the boat with a Kaval vs. Tyler Reks feud. It wouldn't have been huge or anything, but Kaval never even took issue with Reks beating him for his spot, and we never got a proper one-on-one match between the two, to my knowledge. I guess they wanted to push both guys to some degrees, but there is no reason a string of matches between the two could not have done both. Kaval would have bumped like a king for Reks, who is not at all a bad worker, and has enough size to add an interesting dynamic to their bouts.

Instead, they put Reks into a string of matches against Chris Masters, who I do like, but ultimately led nowhere.
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Old 12-26-2010, 12:42 AM   #207
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Lol this is not my sock.

Kaval is your typical indy guy: bland on the mic, good wrestler, but who cares if you can't sell yourself. I knew this thread would have some douchey indy smark getting his panties in a bunch and I was right. Apparently Vince isn't doing a bad job because he's making money like crazy while ROH which as we all know is the God of wrestling and every single match there becomes the MOTY, can't even afford to do regular ppv's anymore. Kaval couldn't cut it. Back to the minor leagues where he belongs.
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Old 12-26-2010, 12:46 AM   #208
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ROH never did regular PPVs, did they?

Also, Gerty, you're just a backwards version of this other idiot. Kaval wasn't fired, the WWE wanted him -- he asked for his release and the WWE granted it. Also, Kaval's abilities are subjective. I personally thought he was surprisingly stellar on the mic and got quite over for a guy that can't "sell himself."
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Old 12-26-2010, 11:56 AM   #209
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If they really wanted him they would have a) gave him at least 1 angle or 2) made an effort to keep him. His mic skills are not good which is why he was paired with Laycool. I used to watch ROH ppv's all the time when they were on.
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Old 12-26-2010, 12:02 PM   #210
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Sometime I wonder how WWE is still in business after making the worst decisions one after the other. It seems WWE always tries to screw up yet they are still #1 becayse others screw up way more. Kaval is one of the most talented people in the world and YES before u come in hear crying, I know that Kaval wanted to be released but lets ask why and the reason why he wanted to be released was because is WWE couldnt come up with anything for him and were treating him like garbage and Kaval knows he is one of the greatest so why stick around a place that treats you like garbage imo the only reason WWE is pushing CM Punk right now is because he doesnt do drugs and because Jeff Hardy screwed up that really made WWE push CM Punk because other wise they would have probably had no ideas for him too and he wouldve left so now WWE has just let go off one of the best talents they ever had and the funny thing is from NXT, they kept garbage like Alex Riley who lets face it is nothing in terms of wrestling OR character and they fired Kaval who is good on the mic and amazing in the ring.

The only way WWE can fix this in my eyes is to do a Daniel Bryan and swerve us by hiring Kaval back but I doubt it this time because WWE arent smart enough to do it. I still wonder how WWE keeps up as number one in the business by making bad decisions every time.

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Brandon Silvestry (a/k/a Kaval) requested his release from World Wrestling Entertainment after being frustrated with his position in the organization. The company's creative department was told to bury him after winning the second season of NXT, until a decision was made that he built up for a few weeks for an Intercontinental Championship Match against Dolph Ziggler at the Survivor Series. After losing at the pay-per-view event, creative was told to resume burying him.

Following his quick loss to Drew McIntyre on the Dec. 21 episode of SmackDown, he reportedly asked organization officials if he had any heat with them, to which he was told no. He then queried if they had any future plans for him and was told they didn't. He subsequently asked to be released from his contract, which was officially granted two days later.

Silvestry joined WWE in late 2008 while reigning as IWGP Junior Heavyweight Champion in Japan. Original creative plans called for him to adopt a masked character and feud with Rey Mysterio. As he was awaiting his call-up to the main roster, he suffered a severe leg injury in January 2009, which sidelined him for nine months. Creative lost interest in utilizing the program by the time he healed and he remained in developmental until June, when it was announced he would be a participant in the second season of NXT.

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Old 12-30-2010, 03:42 AM   #214
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I do agree with Gabrolt that The Miz is a bit too careful with his opponents in the ring. He doesn't work stiff enough, so to speak. As Eric Bischoff would say about his match with Stone Cold Steve Austin at No Way Out 2003: "I'd rather have you give me a black eye than have the match look phony". Another example is when he took the RKO from Orton this past week, you can clearly see Miz (as he's applying a submission move on Lawler) looking around waiting for Orton to hit his spot with the RKO.

WWE should've tried abit harder giving Kaval something to work with. Just a little bit. Give him something that the fans will care about. They should've taken advantage of Kaval's "I'm too headstrong" attitude

But at the same time, Kaval should've been less paranoid and more patient. Just work with what you got for now kinda deal. Try to turn shit into gold

His mic work isn't a problem, nor is his look, IMO. He had potential to be "the next Rey Mysterio" for the next generation. He reminds me of a better overall package than what Rey would be if he unmasked today and how he was in WCW unmasked. You can buy into Kaval being a legitimate tough guy, where as with Rey, some people can't take him seriously as a rough neck bad ass if he turned heel and unmasked today.
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Old 12-30-2010, 07:02 PM   #215
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I dont get why they would immediately bury him afte winning NXT....doesnt that bury the show, and all the others from the show as well?
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Did anyone notice that Kaval wasn't getting much booking but was still getting decent reactions, while Daniel Bryan has been booked quite well and isn't quite getting the reactions he should be? Oh, and by the way, what was the point in jobbing Kaval out to Chavo?
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I always assumed that it was to show Kaval's growth from being a top indy guy to (eventually) a top WWE guy. Oh well.
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Did anyone notice that Kaval wasn't getting much booking but was still getting decent reactions, while Daniel Bryan has been booked quite well and isn't quite getting the reactions he should be? Oh, and by the way, what was the point in jobbing Kaval out to Chavo?
chavo needs to beat someone he can't beat hornswagal or santino. time for chavo to leave too.
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He had a job on a main roster with the biggest wrestling company going, and asked to be released because they didn't have immediate plans for him. Most up and coming wrestlers would probably kill for his spot on SD.
It does bother me that he jobbed to Chavo, of all people, however Kaval was still getting a lot more exposure than his Season 2 cohorts (and thousands of other wrestlers) are getting and I think he was foolish to leave so quickly.
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I dont get why they would immediately bury him afte winning NXT....doesnt that bury the show, and all the others from the show as well?
i don't know what they are doing with nxt the whole season 3 all cole did was goof on it.
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He had a job on a main roster with the biggest wrestling company going, and asked to be released because they didn't have immediate plans for him. Most up and coming wrestlers would probably kill for his spot on SD.
This.

Although I've always heard the Kaval/Low Ki has an attitude... Not really a bad attitude per se, but basically that he thinks he's amazing. While the argument can be made that he is, he still has to go along with what the company wants. His life.
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Old 12-31-2010, 11:50 AM   #225
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Fucking moron tbh. Regardless of whether they had plans, he was still on a main show every week.
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Unless Kaval pissed someone off REALLY badly (maybe with his attitude, as WWKD alluded to), I can't believe creative would be told to all-out bury him, especially since he got a PPV match.

WWE creative is ass-backwards, but I can't believe they'd do something like that where it involved what was disguised as a push. And yes, while he didn't really win, just being on SmackDown! and the PPV showed faith in him.
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Old 12-31-2010, 02:01 PM   #227
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Probably was testing the waters with an arrogant young man who's ego was out of control. Something to humble him or some shit like that.
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