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Old 05-21-2015, 09:06 PM   #201
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Old 05-21-2015, 09:06 PM   #202
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So do you think the crowd were hot on Samoa Joe? How would it translate if it were RAW or a PPV?
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Old 05-21-2015, 09:09 PM   #203
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Raw after Wrestlemania or PPV in a place like Chicago, it would translate well. Otherwise, probably not.
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Old 05-21-2015, 09:27 PM   #204
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Would definitely need to be a "smart" crowd otherwise people would be like "who is this fat guy and why is he staring down this other fat guy?"
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Old 05-21-2015, 10:02 PM   #205
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Going back to the other page and NXT/WWE booking: Could part of it be that we don't have time to get tired of the NXT guys since the logical path after winning the title is to move onto the main roster? No going back to the NTX mid-card after a title run and having to come up with new rivalries or character tweaks. I mean, what would Neville be doing right now if they didn't pull the trigger on him? Losing #1 contender matches with Tyler Breeze? Tag matches on the undercard like Charlotte?

NXT has the luxury of moving talent along to another promotion while constantly getting infused with new ones. (That, and what Lock Jaw said about tv time they need to fill)

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Old 05-21-2015, 10:12 PM   #206
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Like I said, the TV time excuse doesn't make sense since the ration of workers to time means you can still do the same thing.

As for the other part, that's part of it I guess. Though I'd say that NXT is good at building feuds with drama outside of "I want the title" so a guy like Neville could still flourish just by being involved in good feuds between title reigns. Even the squash matches have a purpose in NXT. It's the character booking that makes it better. You mentioned Tyler Breeze and Charlotte as comparisons. People aren't bored of them though. It seems to work out.
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Old 05-21-2015, 10:14 PM   #207
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I agree. NXT is always fresh and never over crowded. Can you imagine what Bo Dallas, Adam Rose, Neville, Rusev, and Big E would be doing if they were still at NXT.
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Would definitely need to be a "smart" crowd otherwise people would be like "who is this fat guy and why is he staring down this other fat guy?"
Do you suspect they're going to build him up in this way then?


I mean even though he was a big star in TNA, TNA is shit. It's really shit probably on par with WCW in its final year or so but at least then WCW still had the likes of Booker T, Flair, Hogan, Nash, Goldberg, DDP, Sting, Benoit, Mysterio etc on their roster.

So I think throwing him straight into the deep end i.e. Raw, confront Cena or Orton etc. would have generated the "oh look it's the guy who was a big deal in a shit promotion...woo...effing...hoo" as opposed OMG OMG OMG HOLY SHIT OMFG IT'S SAMOA JOE WTF IS HE DOING HERE?

Only one TNA wrestler from recent times could have generated that kind of reaction had he jumped ship in his prime and that was AJ Styles....Austin Aries maybe but his stock has dwindled.


Apart from Sting last November, I think the days of the "raise the roof" kind of reaction to a debut are long gone and you can thank McMahon for that when bought out the competition.


It's sad actually, I enjoyed those days tuning in every week and back when spoilers were hard to come by or you had to wait for the monthly magazines, to see a superstar in one promotion the previous week and then over at the competition the next, it was akin to your team scoring a goal to take the lead in the Champions League final. Something like that.
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Old 05-21-2015, 10:42 PM   #209
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I'm starting to get bored with Tyler Breeze.... if he had even more TV time and even more matches against the same dudes I would probably be completely bored....
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Old 05-21-2015, 10:45 PM   #210
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Samoa Joe is not just a TNA guy though. He had one of the best runs with the ROH title andhas wrestled around the world. He and John Cena actually worked together before John joined WWE.
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Rewatched the Becky Lynch / Sasha Banks match again during lunch today, since I was kind trying to take care of some work stuff while it was on last night and didn't feel like I gave it the attention it deserved.

It was just as awesome--if not more so-on the second watch. The crowd was definitely more pro-Banks and somewhat anti-Lynch than I remembered, but it was really neat watching the crowd reaction shift to be a little more even between the two as the match went on. That shift made the end with the crowd giving her a standing ovation even more meaningful, since it felt really like it was hard earned.

I'm about to check out spoilers for the next four weeks to see how they handle Joe.
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Old 05-21-2015, 11:43 PM   #212
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Samoa Joe is not just a TNA guy though. He had one of the best runs with the ROH title andhas wrestled around the world. He and John Cena actually worked together before John joined WWE.
He was in TNA twice as long as he was in ROH and had WAY more people watching him in TNA. He's a TNA guy in the sense that if you're trying to explain to casual fans who he is, you're far less likely to get a blank stare if you say "TNA guy" rather than "ROH guy".
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Old 05-22-2015, 12:17 AM   #213
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Yea I can see your reasoning, I would never call him a ROH guy, maybe a ROH original but yeah most of his career was with TNA.
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Just watched this show. Holy fuck, good stuff. I've been worried about Becky Lynch's character hitting with people, but she fucking blew it out of the water tonight. I love Bayley, but she's now my dream girl to win the NXT Women's Championship from Sasha Banks. She'll need to earn her next shot, but once she does, she could win the title in a Ladder Match or something.

Evil Emma is fantastic. Emma should be a star already, but the main roster had no clue what to do with her. She's nailing being a bitch though. Time to start giving her some wins. Have her beat Charlotte on NXT by having Dana Brooke ram Bayley into a ring post during a singles match between the two. Build respective programs between those girls, as well as the pre-existing singles matches bound to happen.

Tyler Breeze is bulletproof. He'll come out in a few weeks and be as awesome as ever. After taking out Adam Rose, a singles match between the two makes sense. Put Breeze over there and then have him move onto a program with someone else. A face Bull Dempsey or even Rhyno would make perfect sense.

I'd like to see Rhyno and Corbin continue their work together. I wish Rhyno had won so that Corbin had something to prove though. Eventually Corbin could beat Rhyno in a Hardcore Match.
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Old 05-22-2015, 12:12 PM   #215
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I think that Kurt Angle is the only person that could come back on Raw and get a huge reaction anywhere.

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I'm about to check out spoilers for the next four weeks to see how they handle Joe.
...why? Wouldn't you rather just watch it unfold in episodic form? What's the benefit of this? I'll never understand you spoiler people.

Slightly related, Joe's theme song is really wack.
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Bored of Joe now. When is Bobby Roode arriving?
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Does anybody think the Real Deal stars are like the NXT of TWA?


I think it would be cool if NXT was developed as a real separate promotion and then had main events against WWE stars. Its kind of what TWA is doing having Real Deal stars form a stable called THE ROUNDTABLE
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No, quit comparing those backyarders to professionals. Its a slap in the face to people that actually do it for a living.
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...why? Wouldn't you rather just watch it unfold in episodic form? What's the benefit of this? I'll never understand you spoiler people.

Slightly related, Joe's theme song is really wack.
Because I'm weak and impatient. I generally just glance through them, get a good feel, and forget about mot of it by the time the shows air two, three, four weeks later.
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