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Old 11-12-2015, 08:04 PM   #1
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I just have to respond to what people say. I make my assertions, people come back with "yeah but Batsista said...". So my point is valid.
well I mean since you're Vince McMahon's confidant you'd have to know what his plans were.
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Old 11-12-2015, 06:28 PM   #2
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Daniel Bryan even said it.

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Old 11-12-2015, 07:07 PM   #3
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I never denied that.

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Old 11-12-2015, 07:24 PM   #4
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Everything Vince does is the right move. Especially the Flash Funk, that was #1 maneuver by Vince.
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Old 11-12-2015, 08:00 PM   #6
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Everything Vince does is the right move. Especially the Flash Funk, that was #1 maneuver by Vince.
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Old 11-12-2015, 08:09 PM   #7
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Much like many threads though, this one jumped the shark once CyNick posted in it.
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Old 11-13-2015, 01:12 PM   #8
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Much like many threads though, this one jumped the shark once CyNick posted in it.
I make these threads important. I was lurking here for a while. Place was dead. Now is lively, well the threads Im involved in anyway.
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Old 11-13-2015, 02:38 PM   #9
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I make these threads important. I was lurking here for a while. Place was dead. Now is lively, well the threads Im involved in anyway.
Probably coz the product is pretty much dead right now. Another genius marvel from the great Vince McMahon.

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Old 11-13-2015, 03:12 PM   #10
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Probably coz the product is pretty much dead right now. Another genius marvel from the great Vince McMahon.

P.S. Cesaro for WWE Champion!
Should have 100k people in Dallas

Network subs are north of a million

Record interest in advertisers

Could be the biggest revenue generating year of all time

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Old 11-13-2015, 04:53 PM   #11
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Should have 100k people in Dallas

Network subs are north of a million

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Could be the biggest revenue generating year of all time

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You forgot to mention the impressively high ratings of their flagship show.
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Old 11-12-2015, 08:33 PM   #12
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So CyNick has run out of ways to actually defend the product and now he's basing it all on some kind of a religious blind faith that Vince always knows what he's doing even if it's demonstrably wrong.

Well this is gonna make explaining the faults in his logic less fun.
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Old 11-13-2015, 01:15 PM   #13
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So CyNick has run out of ways to actually defend the product and now he's basing it all on some kind of a religious blind faith that Vince always knows what he's doing even if it's demonstrably wrong.

Well this is gonna make explaining the faults in his logic less fun.
The funny thing about that comment is that I always have facts to back up my claims, but you guys follow the teachings of your IWC Gods and regurgitate whatever they say.
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Old 11-13-2015, 01:56 PM   #14
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The funny thing about that comment is that I always have facts to back up my claims, but you guys follow the teachings of your IWC Gods and regurgitate whatever they say.


Facts? The only facts I've seen you post are things like who won a number of matches in a particular feud from 15-20 years ago. Otherwise, it's all speculation on your part (i.e., Vince doesn't tell talent everything regarding plans, the product is good because you're enjoying and revenues are up, we're all uninformed and overly critical, etc.)

In fairness, almost everyone here is speculating on things. Except for the facts like the actual ratings and the statements from talent that are often referenced as evidence that WWE's product, writing and planning is horrible at the moment and has been for quite a while.

Of course, when you're presented with those types of facts, you speculate and then discount them as rumor or irrelevant. All because of your belief that WWE's product is good and everything is fine because Vince is in charge and can essentially do no wrong.
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Old 11-13-2015, 03:18 PM   #15
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Facts? The only facts I've seen you post are things like who won a number of matches in a particular feud from 15-20 years ago. Otherwise, it's all speculation on your part (i.e., Vince doesn't tell talent everything regarding plans, the product is good because you're enjoying and revenues are up, we're all uninformed and overly critical, etc.)

In fairness, almost everyone here is speculating on things. Except for the facts like the actual ratings and the statements from talent that are often referenced as evidence that WWE's product, writing and planning is horrible at the moment and has been for quite a while.

Of course, when you're presented with those types of facts, you speculate and then discount them as rumor or irrelevant. All because of your belief that WWE's product is good and everything is fine because Vince is in charge and can essentially do no wrong.
The biggest indicator of success of the product are business indicators. Those are up.

Whether or not you or I are enjoying is irrelevant, it's personal taste. No point of arguing the point. But my whole thing is the absurdity of people who dedicate so much time week in and week to watch and then discuss something they clearly hate.

I'm not going to get into why I know what I say about Vince is accurate, but since you like using wrestlers as sources of info, listen to what guys say in shoot interviews. Vince keeps a tight inner circle. You don't always know what is happening until the last minute. I think Roman Reigns was quoted as saying he didn't know the Mania booking until the weekend of. But people will ignore that quote when I say how is possible Dave Bautista didn't know the full details of Mania plans for his angle months in advance.

People like treating Vince like he's this out of touch tyrant. When in reality if he was a baseball player he would be hitting .700 while all his competitors are hitting a buck and a quarter.
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The biggest indicator of success of the product are business indicators. Those are up.

Whether or not you or I are enjoying is irrelevant, it's personal taste. No point of arguing the point. But my whole thing is the absurdity of people who dedicate so much time week in and week to watch and then discuss something they clearly hate.

I'm not going to get into why I know what I say about Vince is accurate, but since you like using wrestlers as sources of info, listen to what guys say in shoot interviews. Vince keeps a tight inner circle. You don't always know what is happening until the last minute. I think Roman Reigns was quoted as saying he didn't know the Mania booking until the weekend of. But people will ignore that quote when I say how is possible Dave Bautista didn't know the full details of Mania plans for his angle months in advance.

People like treating Vince like he's this out of touch tyrant. When in reality if he was a baseball player he would be hitting .700 while all his competitors are hitting a buck and a quarter.

No one is saying that WWE is not successful. They have built a brand and that's what sells the product. If WWE is coming to town people are going to go see it and take their families out to it. On name alone they are successful, take the network for example its main draw besides Specials are old PPVs that built the WW(W)E(F) brand. All we are saying is that at times a storyline or two just suck and giving our opinion of what should have happened. None of us are claiming WWE is going out of business or anything just that Vince is a little out of touch.

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The funny thing about that comment is that I always have facts to back up my claims, but you guys follow the teachings of your IWC Gods and regurgitate whatever they say.
Is that why you had to resort to "faith" on the last page when you couldn't even think of any other bullshit logic to back up your claim. GREAT fact there.
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Is that why you had to resort to "faith" on the last page when you couldn't even think of any other bullshit logic to back up your claim. GREAT fact there.
I can always back up my claims with facts. Sometimes i get tired repeating the stuff you lot choose to ignore. Maybe send a snail mail to your heroes and they will tell you what to say.
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"Having the champion lose the title on a PPV and then having him come out the next night on Raw with the title as if he never lost it because they changed their minds and hit the 'reset' button is really bad writing."

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"Having the champion lose the title on a PPV and then having him come out the next night on Raw with the title as if he never lost it because they changed their minds and hit the 'reset' button is really bad writing."

"Yeah, but I have faith in Vince McMahon. So it's fine."

"Oh... Okay..."
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Well you see.... Vince started Wrestlemania so therefore everything he does is the right move.
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Well you see.... Vince started Wrestlemania so therefore everything he does is the right move.
Nope, but he's the most successful (by a long shot) in hisi ndustry, so when there's a tie, I give him the benefit of the doubt. You give the benefit of the doubt to ten guys on a message board and a guy who can't get his point across in less than 25,000 words.
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Nope, but he's the most successful (by a long shot) in hisi ndustry, so when there's a tie, I give him the benefit of the doubt. You give the benefit of the doubt to ten guys on a message board and a guy who can't get his point across in less than 25,000 words.
The thing is you don't know my actual opinion fully. I just have my opinion on your hilarious nuthuggery
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I'm not going to get into why I know what I say about Vince is accurate, but since you like using wrestlers as sources of info, listen to what guys say in shoot interviews. Vince keeps a tight inner circle. You don't always know what is happening until the last minute. I think Roman Reigns was quoted as saying he didn't know the Mania booking until the weekend of. But people will ignore that quote when I say how is possible Dave Bautista didn't know the full details of Mania plans for his angle months in advance.
You're right, Reigns probably didn't know the Mania booking until the weekend of because the outcome of the match hadn't been decided upon yet. Same thing with Batista.

Batista likely didn't know the FULL details of Mania plans for his angle months in advance because they hadn't decided on them, especially the outcome of Batista's WM match and what the final card would look like after the Rumble got shit on. Batista was probably told before signing his deal that the plan was for him to main event WM as the face for the title against Orton but that things could change, especially if Randy or Batista got hurt or they had to call an audible for some reason.

Just because things can change and did isn't proof that the original WM plan wasn't Bryan v. Sheamus in the under card and Batista v Orton in the main event. Just because people aren't told what the plans (or the full details) are until the last minute or that those plans later change doesn't mean the original plans didn't exist and weren't changed at the last minute or at least changed after the originals were made.

So someone who says, "I wasn't told I was going to win a match until the night before," or "I didn't know the full details of my WM angle," that's proof that the disputed original shitty plan didn't exist at all? However, when a talent says "I wasn't even in the original main event plans for WM," that's not proof that there was a different original plan?

That's a logical fallacy and one of the dumbest fucking arguments I've ever heard, and I'm an attorney who's heard a lot of dumb fucking arguments.
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The biggest indicator of success of the product are business indicators. Those are up.
Again, you change the subject and standards. We're not talking about success, we're talking about quality.

If I produce more and more types of products year after year, if 50% of the primary product that I produce are of poor quality, even if I'm having financial success year after year, that doesn't make my primary product good quality.
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Again, you change the subject and standards. We're not talking about success, we're talking about quality.

If I produce more and more types of products year after year, if 50% of the primary product that I produce are of poor quality, even if I'm having financial success year after year, that doesn't make my primary product good quality.
You would think someone who is intelligent enough to become an attorney would understand that quality is in the eye of the individual. It's not something you can really quantify. Again, i feel silly pointing that out because am attorney such as yourself who has been in so many cases would understand that difference.

WWE generates most of their revenue on things that people buy over and over (tickets, merch, network subs). If the perceived quality of the product was so low those metrics would be in massive decline. Yet if you look at WWEs revenue, the paying fan is telling them the product is good. If it wasn't WWE would have empty buildings. Instead they will sell close to 100k tickets for one show! Those people are not buying tickets based on what the product was like 15 years ago, that would be silly. Clearly they like the ptoduct today.
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Whether or not you or I are enjoying is irrelevant, it's personal taste. No point of arguing the point. But my whole thing is the absurdity of people who dedicate so much time week in and week to watch and then discuss something they clearly hate.
So only people who love the product can come on the forums and discuss the product? What about people who love the product but don't actually watch it? Can they come on the forums and discuss? What about people who watch but aren't sure if they like the product currently? Man, that sounds like an awesome forum to visit.

Where exactly do you draw the line?

What about people who think the product is poor but don't watch? For the record, that's the camp I'm in currently. I'll probably start watching again around Rumble time though and continue up through Mania. Football season will be over and I'll be looking for something to watch until the NHL playoffs. There's generally something somewhat entertaining going on during WM and maybe they'll be able to keep my interest this year post WM through the rest of the year.

Point being, if folks who aren't currently enjoying the product shouldn't watch and/or then come to discuss their opinions on the forums, what's the point of the forums?

In fact, you know what, you're right. Let's shut this down. Guys, it's official. We're going to be shutting down the forums. CyNick says if we don't enjoy the product, we shouldn't be watching and/or posting here, so let's shut it down.
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So only people who love the product can come on the forums and discuss the product? What about people who love the product but don't actually watch it? Can they come on the forums and discuss? What about people who watch but aren't sure if they like the product currently? Man, that sounds like an awesome forum to visit.

Where exactly do you draw the line?

What about people who think the product is poor but don't watch? For the record, that's the camp I'm in currently. I'll probably start watching again around Rumble time though and continue up through Mania. Football season will be over and I'll be looking for something to watch until the NHL playoffs. There's generally something somewhat entertaining going on during WM and maybe they'll be able to keep my interest this year post WM through the rest of the year.

Point being, if folks who aren't currently enjoying the product shouldn't watch and/or then come to discuss their opinions on the forums, what's the point of the forums?

In fact, you know what, you're right. Let's shut this down. Guys, it's official. We're going to be shutting down the forums. CyNick says if we don't enjoy the product, we shouldn't be watching and/or posting here, so let's shut it down.
People can bang their head against the wall for 6 hours a day if they enjoy it. I will just look at that person and think hmmm you would think that would be annoying and they would just stop. But hey if being disappointed time in and time out is what turns your crank, cool, no skin off my back.
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Regardless of your argument, the product is still shite, ratings are still low, and you're still a cunt.
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Seriously? You're sticking with the "if I assert that I responded with a fact, then it means I did even though all this shit is right there on the last page to read" strategy? My God...

You forgot to add a "swing and a miss" or something though. That's definitely a great way to at least make yourself feel like you're right without actually having to try to make a cogent point despite the fact that everyone else can just read the thread and see the blatant dodging going on.
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We'll set up a point counterpoint one day. Maybe we can do it on a podcast, and you can have all the Negative Nelly's from the IWC tweet in say you were right and CyNick is a dope. That will make you feel good, right?
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We'll set up a point counterpoint one day. Maybe we can do it on a podcast, and you can have all the Negative Nelly's from the IWC tweet in say you were right and CyNick is a dope. That will make you feel good, right?
Lol well let's get serious here. That's your wet dream
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Lol well let's get serious here. That's your wet dream
What is exactly?
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