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Old 04-24-2018, 07:38 PM   #1
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WWE isn't actually doing anything besides supplying the wrestlers for this show. WWE's just trying to take advantage of being one of the first entertainment events in the country that is going to be more open to women.

Everything else is all the Saudi government's work. If the prince or ruler decides in the future to allow women wrestlers on shows, it happened because of him and not because of any input by the WWE. Same for the inverse if the situation doesn't improve in the near future.

Based on some local reports, this show would have been a big bust for the WWE money-wise if they actually had to do the real work for it.
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WWE isn't actually doing anything besides supplying the wrestlers for this show. WWE's just trying to take advantage of being one of the first entertainment events in the country that is going to be more open to women.

Everything else is all the Saudi government's work. If the prince or ruler decides in the future to allow women wrestlers on shows, it happened because of him and not because of any input by the WWE. Same for the inverse if the situation doesn't improve in the near future.

Based on some local reports, this show would have been a big bust for the WWE money-wise if they actually had to do the real work for it.
We're talking about the WWE and the Saudi Arabian government. Who do you think has more power? WWE is a global brand. Just because Saudi Arabia has different views and rights for women doesn't mean there probably aren't a lot of WWE fans in that country. WWE wants to provide a show for these fans in this country, while also respecting the Saudi Arabian culture. Yes, a giant bundle of money certainly helps things, but if they weren't paid ridiculously for these shows would the way they were going about this be any different? I don't think so. This is still a great way to get their name/brand into the middle east/Saudi Arabia. How is this so hard to understand?
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:44 PM   #3
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I also think HHH makes sense.
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Specifically on what Triple H said: As I said earlier, the WWE is going to try and take credit for it when he gets women to wrestle with their midriffs showing (except for Becky Lynch). If that ever happens. That's the obvious PR spin on accepting money from a country whose dictators like putting on propaganda shows highlighting how "human" they are while they continue to oppress and abuse their people. But they want that money and they want that history with the country if it ever does change.

It's money and PR that I think anyone with a brain sees through, which is why they need to do this stuff all the time -- because they have such a bad reputation.
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Paul Heyman, or whatever it's worth, is self-professedly very much against racism, and can't stand being around anti-Semites. I'm sure that while he understands why the company is doing what they're doing, he's probably not super-keen to go over there even if he could.
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I have a feeling that this is going to be all babyface wins.
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I have a feeling that this is going to be all babyface wins.
I was fully expecting that too. Just looking at the card, it doesn't seem at all unfeasible. The exhibition matches all call for face wins. And with the title matches - everybody expects Reigns to beat Brock. Nakamura's low blowed AJ a million times and is now owed some comeuppance. Seth Rollins, Jeff Hardy, and Cedric Alexander only just won their titles. Matt Hardy and Bray Wyatt are obviously winning the Raw Tag titles since The Bar have left for SmackDown.

The only one giving me pause is the SmackDown Tag Title match. Not only have the Bludgeons only had the belts for a few weeks, but days before the show one of them finally ate a pin for the first time since their return. I feel like that would've been saved for the show if the Usos were getting the belts back. So I'm thinking the Bludgeons may get DQ'ed and the Usos will fight them off afterwards or something.
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I was fully expecting that too. Just looking at the card, it doesn't seem at all unfeasible. The exhibition matches all call for face wins. And with the title matches - everybody expects Reigns to beat Brock. Nakamura's low blowed AJ a million times and is now owed some comeuppance. Seth Rollins, Jeff Hardy, and Cedric Alexander only just won their titles. Matt Hardy and Bray Wyatt are obviously winning the Raw Tag titles since The Bar have left for SmackDown.

The only one giving me pause is the SmackDown Tag Title match. Not only have the Bludgeons only had the belts for a few weeks, but days before the show one of them finally ate a pin for the first time since their return. I feel like that would've been saved for the show if the Usos were getting the belts back. So I'm thinking the Bludgeons may get DQ'ed and the Usos will fight them off afterwards or something.
I see The Usos winning the belts and then dropping them back in Harper & Rowan's rematch.
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Old 04-25-2018, 09:38 AM   #9
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Heels win the mid card titles. Jinder wins back the US and either Joe or Miz win the IC.
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You guys are crazy. There's no way they're gonna have Brock lose the strap in Saudi Arabia instead of WrestleMania.
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You guys are crazy. There's no way they're gonna have Brock lose the strap in Saudi Arabia instead of WrestleMania.

There's literally no other face wrestlers for Brock to feud after Roman besides Lashley. A Lesnar/Lashley feud could be a down the road feud after Lashley is more over.

Rollins & Balor aren't headed to the Universal Title scene r/n and Bobby Roode isn't and likely won't ever be over enough to face Brock.
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There's literally no other face wrestlers for Brock to feud after Roman besides Lashley. A Lesnar/Lashley feud could be a down the road feud after Lashley is more over.

Rollins & Balor aren't headed to the Universal Title scene r/n and Bobby Roode isn't and likely won't ever be over enough to face Brock.
There have been plenty of PPV's where Lesnar has not been there to defend the Universal title. I believe we will see quite a few of these in the next few months while they build up a credible challenger for him to face at SummerSlam or Money In The Bank.

That and I think Lesnar vs. Lashley is a match they could do at anytime. As is Lesnar vs. Mahal whether people actually wanna see it or not; it was advertised for Survivor Series for a few weeks before Mahal was replaced with Styles. Big Show apparently just signed another contract, he's always a credible challenger because of his size, there's a match WWE loves to give us, whether we wanna see it or not. Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn are on the cusp of being main event players; after this program with Kurt Angle they might be actual main event players. Speaking of Kurt Angle, there's a match right there, maybe Kurt is sick of Brock taking advantage of him and wants to take the belt back so it can be defended regularly. And you mentioned Balor and Rollins... why can't they go to the Universal title scene? They're two of the biggest starts on Raw, and having the IC title didn't stop Roman Reigns from challenging Lesnar. Speaking of Roman, maybe they drag this out and they continue to have a series of matches. There are plenty of possibilities for Lesnar going forward. And I didn't even mention Strowman, Wyatt, Ziggler (longshot,) McIntyre (longshot,) Ambrose when he comes back, Jason Jordan when he comes back, Kane, Triple H, John Cena, The Undertaker, the possiblities are endless.
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There have been plenty of PPV's where Lesnar has not been there to defend the Universal title. I believe we will see quite a few of these in the next few months while they build up a credible challenger for him to face at SummerSlam or Money In The Bank.

That and I think Lesnar vs. Lashley is a match they could do at anytime. As is Lesnar vs. Mahal whether people actually wanna see it or not; it was advertised for Survivor Series for a few weeks before Mahal was replaced with Styles. Big Show apparently just signed another contract, he's always a credible challenger because of his size, there's a match WWE loves to give us, whether we wanna see it or not. Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn are on the cusp of being main event players; after this program with Kurt Angle they might be actual main event players. Speaking of Kurt Angle, there's a match right there, maybe Kurt is sick of Brock taking advantage of him and wants to take the belt back so it can be defended regularly. And you mentioned Balor and Rollins... why can't they go to the Universal title scene? They're two of the biggest starts on Raw, and having the IC title didn't stop Roman Reigns from challenging Lesnar. Speaking of Roman, maybe they drag this out and they continue to have a series of matches. There are plenty of possibilities for Lesnar going forward. And I didn't even mention Strowman, Wyatt, Ziggler (longshot,) McIntyre (longshot,) Ambrose when he comes back, Jason Jordan when he comes back, Kane, Triple H, John Cena, The Undertaker, the possiblities are endless.

I think Brock is definitely taking a break until SummerSlam post GRR. Lashley vs Lesnar could be a program for that show and maybe the ppv after as well.


As for the others mentioned:


* Kurt - Shouldn't be wrestling Brock in 2018, 2019 or beyond. Or probably wrestling period. Needs to retire.

* Strowman - We've seen it recently.

* Balor and Rollins - Both are super-over but I don't think the 'E is interested in either in the Universal Title scene right now -- and even if they were, Rollins vs Lesnar isn't fresh.

* Bray Wyatt - NO to the eater of jobs

* Dolph Ziggler - NO to the mid-card heat killer

* Drew McIntyre - If that is ever a possibility it is a long ways off from now, just like Roode.

* Kevin Owens & Sami Zayn - Brock doesn't have feuds with other top heels, wouldn't benefit Brock or Sami/KO.

* Dean Ambrose - We don't need to see that again.

* Jason Jordan - See Bob Roode and Drew Mac.

* Kane - Needs to Retire

* Triple H - It's happened already. Needs to Retire.

*John Cena - It's happened already.

* Jinder Mahal - NO

* The Undertaker - NO. Needs to Retire.
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Just because you don't want to see them doesn't mean there aren't options for Lesnar after he beats Reigns. Every one of those challengers would work, whether it'd be entertaining to watch or not. You seem to be forgetting that the only two wrestlers on the roster to go more than 10 minutes with Lesnar in the last year or so has been AJ Styles and Roman Reigns. I doubt any match he has until SummerSlam (or including SummerSlam) is going to be anything more than a squash (or anything more than Lesnar vs. Samoa Joe from Great Balls of Fire.) And if he's headed back to the UFC Lesnar isn't going to show much vulnerability to anyone but Reigns at GRR, but he won't lose to him.
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No way Reigns loses again. Unless Vince has someone else in mind for the face of the company Reigns isn't losing again.
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Reigns losing will take his credibility in kayfabe and flush it down the drain as a top talent.
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Reigns, the biggest face of the company. Cant beat Braun or Lesnar. Typically gets squashed. I dont even like Reigns but fuck that logic.
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Reigns, the biggest face of the company, can't beat Lesnar at Wrestlemania, the biggest show of the year, but he can at our first big show in Saudi Arabia!
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I think the optics will be something to behold.
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Is pyro legal in Saudi Arabia? I hope so.
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Probably.

Considering WWE is getting like $20 million for this show, no excuse to not toss a few bucks into the pyro budget even if its just for Gillberg-style hand sprinklers.
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I think there will be pyro, and a lots of it.

If I'm not mistaken, The Saudi's absolutely love their fireworks.

So I'm expecting a lot of pyro in the arena and a lot of fireworks above it.
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Old 04-25-2018, 12:57 PM   #23
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I think there will be 1 or 2 legit surprises. They will promote most of the wrestlers though for more views and attendance if they haven't sold out already
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Also, if anyone boos Reigns, does that mean they get thrown in prison and/or executed for protesting?
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I would love for Brock to retain, but I think they're just going to go with the Reigns win. It didn't make sense to me either, but I've just resigned myself to it.
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Sounds like there will be a one hour intermission during the show for prayer services.
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Damn, yeah, I forgot all about Friday Prayers.

I could be wrong but thinking about it, it looks like the first stoppage will be just after an hour into the event so 8:15 Local Time.

That translates to 6:15 (UK), 1:15 (EST) and 10:15 (PST).

The second stoppage will be 10:43 Local Time, which translates to 8:43 (UK), 3:43 (EST) and 12:43 (PST).
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They'll probably show vignettes during the stoppages or go back to Renee and Co. back in America so they can talk about the show so far.
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that's where the should have had womens matches have 2 of them at next center
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Old 04-26-2018, 04:55 PM   #31
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Apparently this event is going to have an intermission for religious prayer reasons.

Was originally rumored to be around 1 hour long but now its been reported to just be a 15 minute break. WWE wanting both a long show and noon start made it impossible to avoid hitting one of the daily prayer time spots.
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They should put the words to the prayers on the big screen, but replace all mentions of "Allah" with "Vincent Kennedy McMahon"
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The amount of heat that would generate would make Vickie Guerrero's boos seem tame by comparison. Probably even dwarf the worst ever wrestling riot up until that point.
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Hahaha, they're bringing Khali back?
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For the Rumble. I also imagine he'll be heading up an Indian development territory soon. Because if you want to learn to wrestle, you should definitely do so from The Great Khali.
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I know it's for the rumble. Still awful, though.

Oh by the way, didn't he accidentaly kill someone while wrestling/training?
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I know it's for the rumble. Still awful, though.

Oh by the way, didn't he accidentaly kill someone while wrestling/training?
Yes. Happened in 2001 and because the guy he was training with was injured beforehand.

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On 28 May 2001, Brian Ong died after receiving a flapjack from Singh. Ong had suffered a previous concussion during the session, but the trainers gave him a lower evaluation for not avoiding injuries and told him to continue training. In addition, it was proven that Ong did not receive protective gear or supervision by All Pro Wrestling (APW) staff. This second concussion ultimately proved fatal for him. As Singh inadvertently caused his death, Ong's family brought a lawsuit against APW. APW was found liable for recklessness after less than a day of deliberations, awarding the Ong family for damages of over $1.3 million.
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Hopefully they piss off the Saudis and when they do the call to prayer , they hit Muhammad Hassans music and he cuts a promo with Daviari translating into Farsi about how the Saudis screwed Iran over.
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Sad story. I'd be devastated if I accidentally killed someone in the ring.
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Cheers. Fucked up story. To make a guy wrestle even though he obviously has suffered a concussion.
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