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Old 08-29-2023, 05:59 PM   #1
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lol Punk got into it with Miro at All In too and was asking him if he wanted to take things outside to settle it.
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Old 08-29-2023, 06:10 PM   #2
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lol Punk got into it with Miro at All In too and was asking him if he wanted to take things outside to settle it.
There is ZERO chance that happened lol. Miro would kill him
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Old 08-29-2023, 07:23 PM   #3
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Obviously joking there.

I’m one of Punk’s biggest fans and I even I can look at the optics and see he’s not coming off well here. You can say he’s just passionate about the product or he’s being the only adult in the room (btw, resulting to violence every time somebody rubs you the wrong way is not very adult) but his actions are neither a good look for him or AEW as a whole.
He's not coming off well, no. It sounds like he's handling things like an alcoholic promoter 30 years ago. You're right in that IF thats what happened it isn't professional but again, we are hearing 3rd hand what might have happened so we have to take everything being said with a grain of salt. However, if TK is allowing him to do this and asking people nicely to not do stupid shit isn't working.....

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Saying Shawn wasn't the draw Bret was immediately discredits you. Bret was a better wrestler, sure. But Shawn was also pretty damn good and had things Bret didn't, like charisma and showmanship.

Blaming the elite here is also stupid. How many stories have you heard about them sending people home? Outside of Punk, how many stories are there about them having nonstop confrontations with people backstage? Speaking of the elite, and also in reference to us not talking about out and out crimes here, didn't they just put over Punks besties, and specifically, Cash "I'll pull a strap on a buster" Wheeler?
The Elite don't send people home because they just play with the people they want to play with and really don't care about anything outside of that.

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lol Punk got into it with Miro at All In too and was asking him if he wanted to take things outside to settle it.
Sounds like its much ado about nothing. That being said: He's making this really hard for me.....
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The Elite don't send people home because they just play with the people they want to play with and really don't care about anything outside of that.


This really made me laugh but it makes sense. I do often believe that the MONEY MATCH is the Elite versus CMFTR but the Bucks won't do it because Punk will use the UFC experience he has and work super stiff with fists and submissions and the Bucks only realistically have flips that require oversells (Punk won't sell that shit) and kicks (which also require sells and Punk won't do it)
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This really made me laugh but it makes sense. I do often believe that the MONEY MATCH is the Elite versus CMFTR but the Bucks won't do it because Punk will use the UFC experience he has and work super stiff with fists and submissions and the Bucks only realistically have flips that require oversells (Punk won't sell that shit) and kicks (which also require sells and Punk won't do it)
Despite Punk's subpar in-ring skills, he's been a "professional" once the bell rings. I doubt he'd ever take liberties and harm his opponents even if he despises them.
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Despite Punk's subpar in-ring skills, he's been a "professional" once the bell rings. I doubt he'd ever take liberties and harm his opponents even if he despises them.



He couldn't for real harm Tony Khan. He is an IRL bitch
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Id also like to point out that this Punk/Perry thing started because Perry wanted to do some spotbwith real glass and everyone told him no. Not just Punk. Then they do a spot at all out with the windshield. Did Hook not have lacerations all over his arm? Wasn't Perry told no because real glass is unsafe?

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CM Punk is the biggest dork loser ever. Fucking cry baby. Love him.
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Reports coming out that during the scuffle some monitors fell onto Tiny Khan. This is my favorite thing ever
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Reports coming out that during the scuffle some monitors fell onto Tiny Khan. This is my favorite thing ever
He probably started chanting "This is awesome!"
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Punk is only the common denominator because it’s the same group of insecure, entitled cunts causing the problems. You don’t go on global fucking television and air your dirty laundry. Taking the issue up backstage? That’s an entirely different thing. Jack Perry tried to hijack AEW’s biggest show (or at least the free part of it). Fuck that noise. I HATE that sort of unprofessionalism. Give me a dick who at least turns it on when it’s showtime, thanks. Joey Janela did the same shit, Adam Page did it too.

Punk is the most important asset AEW has. They’re so lucky he doesn’t swing his dick around more. The fact Tony Khan can’t keep his lower ranks in line in some serious all-time horrendous management. Punk is the one trying to grow the business and help younger talent, and he’s out there fighting for himself because this shit is run so poorly.
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Old 08-30-2023, 03:09 AM   #12
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And Daniels being pro-Elite in the brawl is why Punk doesn’t want him at Collision, Seph. That’s exactly the point. There are too many people inept at their jobs in a position because of nepotism. The whole system there needs a gutting.
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And the Punk/Miro thing was a joke. Even Alvarez is walking back from it and swearing he didn’t make up stories…honest. Punk helped Miro in WWE, got him off the bench in AEW. Miro apparently checked on Punk and Punk said “Yeah, unless you want to fight me too. Let’s take it outside.” Then Miro said “Let’s take it to the ring.”
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And the Punk/Miro thing was a joke. Even Alvarez is walking back from it and swearing he didn’t make up stories…honest. Punk helped Miro in WWE, got him off the bench in AEW. Miro apparently checked on Punk and Punk said “Yeah, unless you want to fight me too. Let’s take it outside.” Then Miro said “Let’s take it to the ring.”
Nice! Wonder who leaked the original story to the wrestling media.
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NO FUCKING WAY

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Money says that Skye has no idea what this about. Because she is an idiot.

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Money says that Skye has no idea what this about. Because she is an idiot.

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I dont get it, what am I missing?
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What's wrong with Skye Blue?
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Money says that Skye has no idea what this about. Because she is an idiot.

Or, LOOK! 3 big asses!
I am wondering if Punk has some fued with Skye Blue that has not yet been made public considering who else is on the meet and greet
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Are they allowed to use “Together” like that in marketing?
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Alvarez said he heard it from “5” guys (not the Japanese faction). None of them apparently expressed it was a joke. Now people are saying either it didn’t happen or it was a joke, and Alvarez is calling them liars either now or at the time.
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hilarious! Some might say that Alvarez is a cancer within the wrestling industry.
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My take away from all this continues to be that Hangmans the man. He should go over Punk for the "Real World Title" in a Diesel/Backlund style squash on a Chicago PPV.
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Sir, they’re being facetious.
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Lol they went to his locker room because he told them to. Punk marks are the most in denial people lol.
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"Because he told them to" This is such a ridiculous statement to absolve the Elite.

So let me get this straight, EVP's of a company storm a contracted workers lockerroom knowing there is likely to be an altercation. Can you say "unsafe work environment"?

The end result is that Punk could have sued the company based on this. No wonder he can dictate who can be backstage and who can't.

Thank you for essentially proving the point that the Elite are a bunch of self-serving shitheads who are not thinking of the company but rather their own pals and interests.

Dont get me wrong - I used to like CM punk much more than I currently do. The problem is that you either play on the Elite's terms or you're on the outs. Punk is not a guy who will be bitched out, and the Elite knows this. They are peeved that he drew more people to AEW since its inception than any of them.

Punk is on a guaranteed contract. He has legal cause due tot he EVPs getting physical with him.
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GD, I do not disagree with you. But if that was really the case, then why do the Bucks and Omega refuse the match then.
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Arguing over who was a bigger draw, Shawn/Bret doesnt really apply when you are using it to describe a company that the owner just recently admitted has not made a profit in going on 5 years.
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Arguing over who was a bigger draw, Shawn/Bret doesnt really apply when you are using it to describe a company that the owner just recently admitted has not made a profit in going on 5 years.
Over simplification. AEW is gaining traction, and they will stabilize. If your basis of comparison is WWe then it will do you well to remember how long they have been in existence. Factor in the pandemic as well.
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I am saying there is no reason to argue who is a bigger draw, Punk or Elite, since they haven't made any profit. That is not their faults, it is Tiny's. If that dude is giving the Young Bucks of all people $3 million a year, then the company clearly doesnt care about making money.

Who draws more in AEW doesn't matter in the slightest because there is no need to draw, Tony will fund it regardless. He is not putting up with all this shit because these guys are cash cows for him, he is putting up with it because he is afraid of people not liking him.

And what traction are they gaining BTW? All In is over, they are going right back to selling 4000 tickets and getting 850,000 tv viewers this week.
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I am saying there is no reason to argue who is a bigger draw, Punk or Elite, since they haven't made any profit. That is not their faults, it is Tiny's. If that dude is giving the Young Bucks of all people $3 million a year, then the company clearly doesnt care about making money.

Who draws more in AEW doesn't matter in the slightest because there is no need to draw, Tony will fund it regardless. He is not putting up with all this shit because these guys are cash cows for him, he is putting up with it because he is afraid of people not liking him.

And what traction are they gaining BTW? All In is over, they are going right back to selling 4000 tickets and getting 850,000 tv viewers this week.
I'd bet this for sure.

If Punk is deemed to be off suspension and eligible to be at Collision, I would run advertisements stating "CM Punk to open Collision to discuss the events of All In". Ratings would be very high because a lot of people would tune in which would uspet the Bucks. But if the rating was just the same as the past, the Bucks could just argue "See no one cares about him".

Which would be ironic because it would mean AEW would be admitting that no one cares about Collision but whatever.
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Walk into someone’s private locker room as an employee of a venue or company uninvited and see what that opens for you, legality-wise. Barging into a star’s personal locker room is very likely to be read as a breach of contract. And if the Bucks wanted a fight, they got one.

By the way, Punk said he’d walk up and down the halls to go with anyone who had a problem. He didn’t invite people to kick in his door, smack his dog and threaten his friend’s injured wife.

Punk takes things seriously. Probably too seriously in the inconsequential clown show that is modern wrestling. But if you can’t the systemic attempts to bully and gaslight because there’s a guy who shows this can still be an art form? You’re not thinking with your head.
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If I were Punk, this thing would go one of two ways:

1) I use a parachute clause in my contract or demand a buyout and go on my merry way because this shit isn’t worth the stress or risks to my health. If Tony Khan can’t educate his roster to not bite the hand that feeds them, fuck them. Let’s see what happens when Tony has to justify Collision to get the TV rights fees he needs without the only needle-mover they have.

2) I go above Tony, get WBD to start laying down the law and start being tougher on these assholes. No more Jungle Boy. You act like that on the air and try to fuck a property trying to expand via WBD media platforms, you get fucking cut down. Pull your fucking heads in and start being professional. There’s an effective and an ineffective way to do things, which is why CM Punk is money and basically no one else in the company is. They don’t know what they’re doing and won’t be listened to any more.
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I’ve been in situations where you can’t trust management to handle things or do right by people. It fucking sucks. I honestly don’t know what I’d do if I had the view of Tony Khan I imagine I would if I was in Punk’s shoes. I really wouldn’t blame him for leaving, whether he gets the full amount owing on his contract or not.

It might also depend on whether or not he can edge other guys out of their deals too. There’s no doubt a bit of a hero complex in Punk. Does he want to leave FTR, Joe, Starks, Hobbs, Andrade, etc. to rot in that company? I guess it depends on what they want, but I doubt other talent have the escape clauses Punk does. Anyone looking to sign with AEW should look into that though.
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The boys and the office don't mix, and the boys SHOULDN'T be the office.

All EVPs should be stripped of any executive powers while they are currently active as talent. Tony Khan really needs to lay down the law on Punk and the Elite. He needs to bring in someone in talent relations than is not biased. He will learn - these things take time.
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I swear I read something on here about the network brass stripping The Elite of their EVP titles after the brawl. Did that happen or am I conflating it with something else?
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To be fair, I’m not sure The Elite actually have any power anymore. I think it was all stripped away when it became evident they weren’t the bookers they claimed to be.
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Punk being a bigger draw is relevant because it shows what could hypothetically be possible under good management, versus what is just not possible at all. That’s the source of all this Punk/Elite heat. Punk has proven that you can get 1 million viewers late Friday night. The narrative was supposed to be that the fuckabout gang was doing the best it’s possible for anyone in their slot to do. False.

It doesn’t matter if AEW has CM Punk, gets Goldberg, gets Steve Austin — that’s where it becomes irrelevant, because the product is largely a joke outside the star power. That’s on Tony.
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Punk being a bigger draw is relevant because it shows what could hypothetically be possible under good management, versus what is just not possible at all. That’s the source of all this Punk/Elite heat. Punk has proven that you can get 1 million viewers late Friday night. The narrative was supposed to be that the fuckabout gang was doing the best it’s possible for anyone in their slot to do. False.

It doesn’t matter if AEW has CM Punk, gets Goldberg, gets Steve Austin — that’s where it becomes irrelevant, because the product is largely a joke outside the star power. That’s on Tony.
LOL that happened once, because after 7 years people wanted to know what he would do. Any comeback he makes now does not have 7 years of waiting behind it. Collision had him come back after like 9 months, and they came nowhere close to a million viewers.
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