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Old 01-25-2006, 09:30 PM   #201
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Artest is crazy, what is Sactown thinkin.
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Couldn't be much worse than Webber?
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I like this trade, but i fear it will only be this year for Peja. He'll probably be gone at the end of the year unless we somehow win the Championship and he wants to stay on.
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And O'Neal is pretty much out for the season with a torn groin.

If the Pacers make the playoffs and go to the second round. Give Rick Carlisle the COTY award for god sakes. He deserved it last year and this year is basically the same shit different year. God I hope Peja rekindles that fire in his fingers and lights a fire under Indy's ass, because its not looking good.
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I thought Artest hates Sacramento?

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And O'Neal is pretty much out for the season with a torn groin.

If the Pacers make the playoffs and go to the second round. Give Rick Carlisle the COTY award for god sakes. He deserved it last year and this year is basically the same shit different year. God I hope Peja rekindles that fire in his fingers and lights a fire under Indy's ass, because its not looking good.
As good a coaching job as Carlisle taking another banged-up Pacers team into the conference semis would be, if the Pistons continue to win at a .875 clip, the "race" in COTY will be for second place.

Good for the Pacers, though. Get rid of the Artest baggage and bring in a top-level scoring threat. It's a pity that O'Neal got hurt, because an O'Neal/Peja duo would be scary. as. hell. But, at least now they have someone who can pick up the scoring they lose with O'Neal, even though he doesn't give them the inside threat.
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someone gave me tix to tomorrows Celtics game, they hose Sacramento.

I'm thinking an Atrest jesey with a had that has a water bottle glued to it...
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I agree with you loop about Saunders, but man can Rick Carlisle get a break these days?
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Carlisle will get his COTY one day. He's too good not to. Like you said, he probably should have got it last year. And, if the Pistons coast into the playoffs based on early season success and only come away with 60-65 wins (yeah, only), and the Pacers manage to find a way to win without JO'Neal, then he should get it this year.
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WOW, Kevin McHale is probably the biggest idiot EVER.

Celtics get:
Wally Szczerbiak
Michael Olowokandi
Dwayne Jones (NBDL)
Future First Round Draft Choice

Timberwolves get
Ricky Davis
Mark Blount
Marcus Banks
Justin Reed
2 second round Draft Picks

Honestly, besides the big ticket, Wally was the only one on the Wolves worth keeping. He is the only one on the whole team who can score consistantly.

The other thing, if you are going to trade Wally, trade him for somebody else. Ron Artest anybody? Come on. Ricky Davis is a head case. Mark Blount is making $6 million per year until 2010. Banks and Reed are no-names who will be out of the league soon enough. And to cap it all off, the Timberwolves, who have had two first round draft picks in the past what, seven years? WE GIVE IT UP FOR RICKY DAVIS???

On the bright side, with the recent trades, the Wolves have acquired a whole three secound round draft picks in the past few days. I bet those pan out
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OK, in terms of Ricky Davis for Wally, it's not that bad of a trade. I would consider them pretty similarly skilled players, and Ricky has a better contract. It's the rest of the trade that gets me. The only reason I give a shit about Kandi is because he is on a contract year, but Dwayne Jones is never going to be much. What really pissed me off are the following things.

1. We gave up ANOTHER first round draft pick, when it shouldn't have been neccessary in such a trade

2. Blount is signed through 2010
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Also, I find it kind of funny how Kobe isn't a winning player because he played on a team with Shaquile O'Neal, Derek Fisher, Deavan George, Rick Fox, etc. Yet, at the same time you consider Shaq to be a true champion.

Do I need to point out that those guys didn't win any championships without Kobe?

I don't care if you don't like him, thats understandable, but to insinuate that he wasn't extremely important in the three-peat is rediculous. They wouldn't have done it without him, they wouldn't have done it without Shaq, and they wouldn't have done it without the clutch roleplayers they had throughout all of that.
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I think it's funny that both Minnesota fans and Boston fans hate this trade.

I really don't follow that much anymore, but from what I'm reading/hearing it's not a bad deal.

Davis hasn't been a head case since he go here, it's been a few years since he shot at his own hoop that time for the rebound to give himself a triple double.

I think in the case of Wally, it's a time for a "change" him and Davis seem very similar, and the T-wolves get a better contract in Davis. The trade off is they take Blount, who with some playing time will put up some points, he'll also screw up big time and blame everyone else, I'm glad to see him gone.

I hope Olowokandi gets motivated here and Reed has some potential, we all thought Banks did... but so far hasn't, but who knows.

The first round pick makes me happy because one thing, Danny has been good drafting.

So, I have tickets tonight... guess what player is on the ticket?

yep, Rickey Davis.
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I just updated the rosters on my Live '06 game, and it's really weird to see Ricky Davis with that green headband in his profile pic as a Timberwolf.

...yeah, suppose that didn't really warrant a post.
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VEL, in terms of the players directly involved: Wally, Kandi, Jones and Ricky, Blount, Banks, Reed, the trade doesn't look too bad. Ricky is more athletic than Wally, and Blount is better offensively than Kandi.

The problem is that Ricky Davis is likely not going to be the one to elevate the Wolves back into contention, so after all of this the Wolves end up with Blount for five more years and without yet another first round draft pick.

Kevin McHale is so stupid, he traded both Cassell and a first round DP for Marco Jaric and now he throws another first rounder in here. He doesn't value those things at all.
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Just a few notes.

1. Ricky Davis has a good night tonight, 24, 5, and 3. He also show 10-18. Mark Blount didn't do much, 4 points and 4 rebounds.

2. All season they have been saying that Rashad could be one of the top rookies in the league if he got more playing time. Tonight, in 15 minutes, he shot 8-10 and scored 18 points. You have to wonder if his potential had an impact on trading Wally.
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WOW, Kevin McHale is probably the biggest idiot EVER.

The other thing, if you are going to trade Wally, trade him for somebody else. Ron Artest anybody? Come on. Ricky Davis is a head case.
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Also, I find it kind of funny how Kobe isn't a winning player because he played on a team with Shaquile O'Neal, Derek Fisher, Deavan George, Rick Fox, etc. Yet, at the same time you consider Shaq to be a true champion.

Do I need to point out that those guys didn't win any championships without Kobe?

I don't care if you don't like him, thats understandable, but to insinuate that he wasn't extremely important in the three-peat is rediculous. They wouldn't have done it without him, they wouldn't have done it without Shaq, and they wouldn't have done it without the clutch roleplayers they had throughout all of that.
Robert Horry seems to have won a few without Kobe. Don't put words in my mouth, it makes you look foolish.
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I didn't say Robert Horry for a reason, and it's kind of funny because he is the only example. So Robert Horry has won an NBA Championship without Shaq and Kobe, that means that Kobe is a professional loser. Very simply, Horry fits into the role of "clutch roleplayer".
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I didn't say Robert Horry for a reason, and it's kind of funny because he is the only example. So Robert Horry has won an NBA Championship without Shaq and Kobe, that means that Kobe is a professional loser. Very simply, Horry fits into the role of "clutch roleplayer".
What the hell are you even trying to argue?
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What the hell are you even trying to argue?
I have no clue. I want to retort, but i dont know what he's trying to say.
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Why isnt this a huge story? Oh that right. Its because Chris Anderson sucks. He doesnt even deserve a nickname. Someone else should be Birdman. Like Marcus Camby or something. Not Christ Fucking Anderson. Isnt this the guy that couldnt make a dont at the Dunk Contest? How do you not make a dunk at the dunk contest? This guy will be forgoten about 2 hours ago.
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Outlaw, Artest and Davis aren't even close.

Davis wouldn't even have the rep if it wasn't the that triple/double thing.

Anyway, was at the game last night and Wally looked good, he's a shooter like Davis, but takes better shots and doesn't do the through the legs crap... He seemed really pumped last night, got in the game, crowd gave him a welcome standing O, chanted "Wally" a few times, he had a good moter, hit the floor, and was getting other players going and even calmed pierce down when pierce was crying at one point...

Also, did you hear the the terms of the 1st round pick?

It's a 2008 pick, Danny Ainge said they feel based on the college talent, 2008 will be better then 2007, but there's a protection it can't be a lotto pick, if they wait till 2009, it can't be a top 10, if they wait till 2010, it can't be a top 3. If things go well for the Celts, I wouldn't be shocked to see them hold off until 2010 hoping to get a #4 pick...
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Davis wouldn't even have the rep if it wasn't the that triple/double thing.
Yeah, that's why I said what I said...
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What the hell are you even trying to argue?

I know you don't like Kobe, but I can't remember if you are one of the people who said Kobe is a losing player and is a "professional loser." If you dislike Kobe, thats fine, a lot of people do. But for the people to insinuate that he had nothing to do with the three-peat and that he is a losing player are just stupid.

I pointed out how Shaquile O'Neal is considered a "winning player", despite the fact that the only time he ever won big was when his teammate was Kobe Bryant. Somebody up there mentioned Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Deavon George, all those other guys, implying that they were all winning players, yet Kobe still somehow wasn't.

Then you tried to make some big point by saying that Robert Horry has won without Kobe or Shaq on his team. You can make an argument that Horry is a "winning player," and a lot of people would agree with you, but if this roleplayer is a winning player then there is no argument that Kobe is a losing player.

And I hate people who still try to say that Kobe makes his team worse. If you watch a game, you will see that he does pass the ball, there's just one problem, his teammates suck. Think about it, the starting lineup includes Smush Parker, Chris Mihm, and Kwame Brown. The only other player of quality on his team is Odom. For his team to be in playoff contention right now has everything to do with Kobe.
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Wally has been on fire this year. I think Ainge pretty much raped his former teammate.
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Like I said, in terms of Ricky Davis vs. Wally in the No. 2 slot for the Wolves, I think Davis might be a little better because of his athleticism. At the same time, I don't think Davis makes us a contender, and by no means was a first round draft pick neccessary in this trade.
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I know you don't like Kobe, but I can't remember if you are one of the people who said Kobe is a losing player and is a "professional loser." If you dislike Kobe, thats fine, a lot of people do. But for the people to insinuate that he had nothing to do with the three-peat and that he is a losing player are just stupid.

I pointed out how Shaquile O'Neal is considered a "winning player", despite the fact that the only time he ever won big was when his teammate was Kobe Bryant. Somebody up there mentioned Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Deavon George, all those other guys, implying that they were all winning players, yet Kobe still somehow wasn't.

Then you tried to make some big point by saying that Robert Horry has won without Kobe or Shaq on his team. You can make an argument that Horry is a "winning player," and a lot of people would agree with you, but if this roleplayer is a winning player then there is no argument that Kobe is a losing player.

And I hate people who still try to say that Kobe makes his team worse. If you watch a game, you will see that he does pass the ball, there's just one problem, his teammates suck. Think about it, the starting lineup includes Smush Parker, Chris Mihm, and Kwame Brown. The only other player of quality on his team is Odom. For his team to be in playoff contention right now has everything to do with Kobe.
LOL wtf

1. I argued that a player isn't defined by the amount of rings he has. I believe it was a TEAM effort. I don't think nor do I like when people say Shaq or Kobe were the sole factors that they won.

2. I argued, and have argued in the past, that the reason I consider Shaq a winner is because he's won everywhere he's played. Even when he was surrounded by average players (Nick Anderson, Scott Skiles, etc.) he won.

3. I've always said the Lakers wouldn't have won if Shaq and/or Kobe wouldn't have been there. I think Shaq was obviously the bigger factor, but that is another subject.

4. I'm the one that mentioned those players, but I wasn't implying that they were winning players and Kobe wasn't. You have some kind of gay love for Kobe or something because you take everything anyone says about Kobe and misconstrue it into something negative about him so you can defend him. DO I think he's a winner? When surrounded by another superstar, yes. Do I think he's selfish? Yes I do. Do I think he's one of the better players in the league? No doubt about it.

5. What does Robert Horry being a winning player have to do with people (which, I see noone in here call Kobe a professional loser besides yourself so I'm not real sure where you got it? Maybe I missed it?) saying that Kobe was a professional loser? How long had he been in the NBA before he had a championship? Three years? Most of the time guys are in the league 10 or so years before being labeled for not having rings by those people who like to say that. I am not one of them. You have to have a good supporting cast to win games. Just because Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Dan MArino, etc. don't have much help (with all the props in the word to John Stockton) doesn't mean they are professional losers.
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Jackson just got carried off the court.. I cant believe how unlucky this team has been in 2 years. Its incredible.
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