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Old 05-28-2006, 02:11 AM   #201
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You guys are nitpicking things. You're doing the whole "it's not exactly like the comic book" type stuff that really is bothersome.

It was a good movie, better than the other two or at the very least on par with #2.
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Old 05-28-2006, 02:41 AM   #202
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Just saw this movie last night. Highlight for my thoughts:

Juggernaut was awesome. I don't care that his relationship with Charles wasn't brought up, or that he wasn't a tank or that he was classified as a mutant, he was just so awesome. "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!" made this movie for me. If there is a sequel, Vinnie Jones needs to be back.

I really believe there should be a sequel. Bring back Juggernaut and Pyro as Brotherhood members. It isn't faithful to the comics, but I think they should bring in Mr Sinister as a mutant. Maybe have him able to counteract Leech's powers? Sinister gets Mystique to join their side, Multiple Man makes a return, as does Magento. Havok can make his X-Men debut, effectively replacing Cyclops and can have the honour of killing off Mr Sinister. At the end, have Angel fly off and run into Apocalypse. There's your fifth movie.

I just want to see some more Juggernaut and Pyro, damn it! Oh, and the way Juggernaut got bested makes perfect sense. He had no clue about Leech's powers, and is probably used to just running through anything and everything. It makes sense he wouldn't hold anything back.

I can't figure out who was Spike. Was he the one that fought Wolverine in the forest (who I originally though it was), or was he the porcupine-esque guy? I still think he was the forest guy. Who was Psylocke? I thought the chick that was in the Brotherhood was Jubilee?

Mystique turning on Magneto made perfect sense to me. When she was left by Magneto she felt betrayed. She was left as a naked human, which must be the ultimate slap in the face to Mystique, being completely human and left for the world to see as she is, in her entirety. I doubt it was her joining the forces of good as it was her simply getting payback.

But yes, the Juggernaut and Pyro must be back if there is another. Even if they are the sole villains, and Juggernaut stumbles across the gem of Cytorrak which enhances his powers to that of what we expect of the Juggernaut (bitch!).

Great movie.
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Just saw it. Better than 1 yes but it does not match the sweetness of X2

Beast, Pyro, and Wolvie were fucking awesome. I am a little pissed about the Sentinel scene. Huge mark out moment and it wasn't even real. It should have been put at the end for god's sake.

Other than that i thought the movie was fine
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Old 05-28-2006, 06:21 AM   #204
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Loopy, I doubt the hand spike guy was Random. Random's hand becomes a gun and he generates random counterpowers to superpowers. Also he's huge and snow white.

Still not feeling Juggernaut's defeat. He's actualy pretty crafty.

Also Proteus is Moira McTaggart's kid, but not Xavier's. You must be thinking of Legion. Then again, Legion isn't Moira's kid either.

Also, I'm pretty sure we can stop with the black font now.
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Question: Is this movie really worth seeing in theatres?

I saw the first two, can't really remember them though, and I don't think I liked them very well.

I only wanna see it to see the Juggernaut say who he is
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the special effects alone are worth seeing it theatres
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Loopy, I doubt the hand spike guy was Random. Random's hand becomes a gun and he generates random counterpowers to superpowers. Also he's huge and snow white.

Still not feeling Juggernaut's defeat. He's actualy pretty crafty.

Also Proteus is Moira McTaggart's kid, but not Xavier's. You must be thinking of Legion. Then again, Legion isn't Moira's kid either.

Also, I'm pretty sure we can stop with the black font now.
If they do an X4, Proteus has to be in it....just so Colossus gets a bigger part
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---->They were blatantly metallic, they looked nothing like wood or plastic.
Hmm. Guess I just need to see it again.

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Amazing! Ratner really held his own taking over for Singer. I loved Marsden's "punishment" for taking a role in Superman lol.

As a Kitty Pryde fan I was exstatic about the extent of her role in the film. I dunno if I just got used to them but the uniforms looked better than they had in any of the other films. Was the different colour trim in the other ones? I can't remember, Kitty's pink uniform really suited her, I'm gonna look into getting one because I'm that much of a dork.

Anyway all in all it was my favorite of the 3 barely beating out X2 (though I fully admit it very well might be because it didn't suck and Kitty Pryde had a decent role in it, I'm bias in that respect) . The only realy critique I had is that they should have added roughly 10-20 minutes of character exposition, as some events just seemed to happen too fast.

Minor correction spoiler from a previous post The guy throwing spikes was not Marrow (as I thought as well at first) but a version of Spike from the X-men Evolution cartoon (a different version of Spike actually appears in the comics as well)

One more thing ---> How awesome was full body Iceman

I think Spike can be found in the X-Static series, where he dies after a couple of issues.
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Old 05-28-2006, 11:12 PM   #211
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Oh and if they bring in Moira's kid in X4, then it would just be a rehash of X2. A mutant who can adapt your surroudings to make you think whatever he wants you to think.

People who know me, know that I'm a massive X-Men fan. I even have Angel tattooed on my arm
I thought the film was ok but then I think I had been building this film up for ages. It was no way as good as two but then i thought it was better than the first.

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What disapointed me the most was the storyline build up was kinda weak, there was no real character development with the new guys. Pretty poor.

Also I honestly thought that Cyclops would come back at the end or something, but that never hapened. I actually hate Cyclops, no way near as good as his brother Havok.

They really, really underused Betsy. That was so disapointing. Same goes with Angel, I was hoping for this superhero but all we got was some guy pulling faces and coming to save his dad.

My mate made me laugh, he said everyone could be brought back if they bring Bishop in, in the sequel. Use time travel and bring all the dead characters back. As easy as that

I'd love if if they focus more on Angel in the next film, bring in an injury to his wings. Show him gradually getting depressed and then bang along comes Apocalypse with his Horsemen, which includes Gambit (love).
Is it me or was Callisto one of the four horsemen?

Wasn't too impressed with Mystique's demise but in a storyline was it shows Magneto's hatred for humans. Even though she saved him, he still can't help her because of he despises 'homo-sapiens'.

The whole Cain and Charles thing is just like instances from the last two films.
Sabretooth and Wolverine should have been the worst of enemies but instead they barely knew each other. Mystique not finding out that Nightcrawler is her son, stuff like that. But I suppose this just adds on more to storylines.
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It was disappointing in the sense that it could have been an awesome movie but it was only just a good one.


I agree with Danny Electric the first half an hour was horrible. Not enough character development and just general dialougue. And everything seemed to go to fast.

Magneto, Pyro, Wolvie and the Beast are the only characters who I believe had enough impact and time. Storm bored me and Angel, Iceman, Rogue and Collosus where all drastically underused.

Cyclops and Xavier deserved more time as well.

Juggernaught was fucking horrible. That’s all I have to say.

I think there could be an x-4 only if Magneto regained his powers as hinted towards the end, Xaiver returns, Storm is still the headmistresses and maybe concentrating on the government unleasing the sentinels.

The x-team could be Wolvie, Storm, a returning Beast and Nightcrawler and juiced up roles for Iceman, Kitty Pride and maybe Gambit (of course played by Sawyer)


It should have been longer
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Old 05-29-2006, 01:28 AM   #213
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I should play Gambit.
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I should play Gambit.
There was a rumor that the guy who plays Sawyer on Lost was going to play Gambit...which would have fucking ruled.
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Heres a treat for all my fellow posters. The last episode of the greatest x-men tv show ever.

This series was my introduction to the x-men universe when I was 8 or 9 so it holds great memories for even though it has kinda of aged badily
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OK, I may be blind but where the fuck was Omega Red?
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It was a cameo. During one of the crowd shots of Magneto's "gathering" (the gathering is in the trailers, so I'm not going to black it out), there's a close-up of one guy who has an "omega" tattooed on his neck.

That's it.
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Saw it today. Thought it was a great film. Thoughts in spoiler black below:

- I thought Cyclopse's death came waaaay too soon. I don't care whether it was punishment, they should have built up his loss more than a couple of seconds of emoness

- The whole scene at Jean's house was amazing Xavier's death was a pretty nasty way to go. While the effects were awesome, I didn't really like that part, it just didn't seem right

- Juggernauts helmet was amazingly stupid. "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch" was simply amazing

- Human Mystique was hot, although it was a pretty lame way to go

- I had mixed feelings about Jean's death. While it was pretty emotional, it just didn't feel right for some reason. Wolverine should have been ripped to shreds during his walk up to her, which probably tainted it slightly due to it's ridiculasness. Still pretty sad though

- I knew from the begining that Grammer as Beast was perfect. Was really funny when he tried on the X-Men uniform, should have had more screen time though

- Magneto losing his abilities should have come after a huge fight/battle and not some crappy ambush. The end was pretty awesome though as it leaves a big question mark over whether the effects are lasting
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My biggest complaint about the movie as a whole, and this has nothing to do with spoilers:

It was just too damned short. It was only 105 or so minutes long, and they could easily have gone another half hour without it feeling too long. I know Ratner likes his movies fast and punchy, but an extra half-hour would have erased a lot of the complaints about lack of character development.

I have a feeling, though, that there will probably be some good deleted scenes on the DVD when it comes out. An extended cut would be a good idea, imo.
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Why develop the characters that aren't the main dudes. All the main players had their development in the first movie. The other characters in these movies are just there to compliment or fight the XMen. The only type of development a guy like Arc Angel should get is slow and gradual (if he's in more than 1 movie) The way they decided to use him (forget about the comics or cartoons) was perfect.
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Why develop the characters that aren't the main dudes. All the main players had their development in the first movie. The other characters in these movies are just there to compliment or fight the XMen. The only type of development a guy like Arc Angel should get is slow and gradual (if he's in more than 1 movie) The way they decided to use him (forget about the comics or cartoons) was perfect.
So is it your argument that the X-men really only consist of Wolverine and Storm? Cause that's the only two who had any real development in X1 and were still main players by the time X3 roled around.

BTW the idea behind developing new characters is so that if you ever wanted to do you could take the plethora of other X-men and do movie after movie with different casts and still be able to sell it.
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Xmen is about Wolverine, yes. Then everybody else.
Perhaps you missed Rogue's and Magneto's development in the first movie, too bad.
Iceman and Pyro were built (#2), Jean, they build her through the 3 movies. But hey, I must be wrong. Cause Kitty, Colossus, Juggernaut, Arc Angel et la were all completely miscast and/or misused.
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Saw it today, was good, but after all the hype on here I thought it was a little lackluster. But that could be blamed on me knowing what happened in it before hand. Xavior's death was good, probably my favourite scene in the movie.

Only real problem I had with the movie though is the fact that it really didn't seem like a final end. IMO they need one more to finish it (Two would be awesome) .
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Why develop the characters that aren't the main dudes.
Because I want to care about the characters. If I have no emotional attachment to them, if they get hurt/die, it doesn't do anything for me. In this movie, a ton of people get killed and - rather than thinking "OMG, s/he killed (whoever)" - I'm just kinda shrugging and waiting for the next shot.

It's basic moviemaking. If you're going to have life-or-death stakes, make us care about who lives or dies. And outside of maybe five-to-ten characters (in a cast of 20+), I just didn't care.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about delving deep into their backstories to tell us about the exact moment they discovered their mutation. But at least let them show one human characteristic. A few of the new characters got to exhibit some personality (Callisto, Juggernaut, Kitty, even the Multiple Man cameo), but the vast majority of the new characters were just cannon fodder.

How hard is it to write a five-second scene where Psylocke sees Angel on TV and gets a crush on him? Or have Colossus writing a letter to his family in Russia?

With an extra 15-30 minutes, you can add in little tidbits of information that, combined, takes maybe five minutes, then you have time for more action scenes with more characters that we have an emotional investment in.

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And this holds true for any movie, imo. Any movie with a large ensemble cast, if I'm only given reason to care about some of the characters, it hurts the overall picture.
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Who do you think got needlessly killed off? Besides they kill of characters all the time in the comics, usually never permanently, so really death is never really a big deal lol.
I know you're not retarded, but I'll remind you that the comics have a totally different tone. There are aliens and cosmic beings who can bring people back, deaths are rarely as obvious or complete as several of these were, etc. This is a movie where Jean Grey was always Phoenix, where even Juggernaut is a mutant, where none of the extraordinary Deus Ex Machina are around to explain returns of people killed off.
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So is it your argument that the X-men really only consist of Wolverine and Storm? Cause that's the only two who had any real development in X1 and were still main players by the time X3 roled around.

BTW the idea behind developing new characters is so that if you ever wanted to do you could take the plethora of other X-men and do movie after movie with different casts and still be able to sell it.
They built up these characters quite well, I felt. Considering the limited time given to a movie, and the number of movies that is considered a theoretical cap these days (3) in which they had to do it...

They were just kids. That was the idea behind this movie in the first place. The X-Men weren't all established going into X1, and they did okay. This is something that actually happened in the comics, too, where the reigns were handed over to new characters, several of which were relatively fresh faces.

I think having Drake, Pride, and even the Young Rasputin step up was awesome. Even though Collosus really could have used more development, I think they did fine with Drake and Pryde. I would have liked a little more depth with Beast, but at least it was understood that he was a student, prior.

I don't think the idea was to develop a plethora of new characters, as they clearly didn't do that. I think the idea was to push newer characters to replace the more expensive, established ones (Except Wolverine, and unfortunately Storm, as they need a different actress) and replace them with characters that not only fit canon but allowed for a lower budget (castwise). They didn't even try for versatility of a large number of characters, and didn't continue to establish new characters. These are the folks we're getting, and they did develop them.
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Only real problem I had with the movie though is the fact that it really didn't seem like a final end. IMO they need one more to finish it (Two would be awesome) .
IMO, they did a good job. They wrapped it up in many ways, insomuch as fans won't feel gipped without a 4th. There was a lot of doubt as to whether or not there would be another after this, so it's good that there is some degree of finality.

And yet, there is still enough room that they don't have to make a new series if they opt to do another.

They did exactly what a comic book franchise should do, IMO...Except for killing off certain people.
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Old 05-30-2006, 07:47 PM   #231
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Maybe Russians aren't heavily accented?

I mean after all, Storm's supposed to be from an African tribe.

Wolverine's supposed to be Canadian.

Xavier's supposed to be Atlantean.

Magneto's supposed to be...Wait...Magneto was supposed to be a british guy.
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Oh, and there's no way I believe Cyc is dead. Didn't see a body, didn't even really see a death scene.
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Oh, and there's no way I believe Cyc is dead. Didn't see a body, didn't even really see a death scene.
Jean asked Wolverine to kill her before she killed someone else.

Honestly, I think there's a good chance he's been written out. permanently.
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Xmen is about Wolverine, yes. Then everybody else.
Perhaps you missed Rogue's and Magneto's development in the first movie, too bad.
Iceman and Pyro were built (#2), Jean, they build her through the 3 movies. But hey, I must be wrong. Cause Kitty, Colossus, Juggernaut, Arc Angel et la were all completely miscast and/or misused.

I meant the X-men the team not the movie as a whole, Magneto is a villain, so is Jean in this film and as for Rogue she's a bit player in X3. You are also changing your story, as you said all the developing had occured in X1.
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They built up these characters quite well, I felt. Considering the limited time given to a movie, and the number of movies that is considered a theoretical cap these days (3) in which they had to do it...

They were just kids. That was the idea behind this movie in the first place. The X-Men weren't all established going into X1, and they did okay. This is something that actually happened in the comics, too, where the reigns were handed over to new characters, several of which were relatively fresh faces.

I think having Drake, Pride, and even the Young Rasputin step up was awesome. Even though Collosus really could have used more development, I think they did fine with Drake and Pryde. I would have liked a little more depth with Beast, but at least it was understood that he was a student, prior.

I don't think the idea was to develop a plethora of new characters, as they clearly didn't do that. I think the idea was to push newer characters to replace the more expensive, established ones (Except Wolverine, and unfortunately Storm, as they need a different actress) and replace them with characters that not only fit canon but allowed for a lower budget (castwise). They didn't even try for versatility of a large number of characters, and didn't continue to establish new characters. These are the folks we're getting, and they did develop them.
I had no problem with the development of Kitty and Drake in X3 (Colossus as you said is a slightly different story but at least his role is slowly getting bigger). Would have i liked more, as a Kitty Pryde fangirl of course but I definitely was pleased with what I got. My contention was with Hero stating they needed no development at all (or that it would be a waste of time) since they weren't "main characters" and were just there to fill out the ranks of the X-men (A point I disagree with considering as I said only two X-men that had any real role in X3 had any true development in X1). I'm glad they beefed up the presence of Kitty, Peter, Bobby,etc.. and weeded out some of the older members, the beauty of the X-men is that there are so many people to work with ( mutants like Siren have already been shown and eastablished and could be expanded upon in later films if needed much like Kitty was) that as long as you do it right you can keep recreating new teams and really have an endless number of possible films
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