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Old 06-14-2006, 01:30 AM   #201
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1) I agree with you on the kids thing and that they need to just tape the ECW shows at their "house shows" or whatever.

2) Don't even start that bullshit. Do you think Vince McMahon would put a lot of money into this if he just wanted to sabotage it? Vince is going to have to answer to a lot of stock holders, if this fucking bombs he will have a lot of hell to pay on the business end.
lol He's not sabotaging it, but at this rate, he better start his apology speech to stock holders for fucking it all up.

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Old 06-14-2006, 01:39 AM   #202
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Good lord, were you honestly expecting anything more?
I wasn't, but good Lord I wasn't expecting that pile of garbage.

They managed to cram two RAW's worth of shit into one hour.
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Old 06-14-2006, 01:49 AM   #204
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An hour isn't long enough? Really? I was wanting it to end pretty quickly myself. I think if they keep booking like this then an hour is too much.
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Old 06-14-2006, 02:11 AM   #206
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Old 06-14-2006, 02:12 AM   #207
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I think we are running into a mark vs smark situation. WWE is trying to appeal to both with ECW but instead, it is boring marks, and pissing off smarks. Yeah, I know, Capt. Obvious. Meh, whatever. I just hope this doesn't continue.
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Old 06-14-2006, 02:20 AM   #208
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You at least have some hope that they'll let Heyman do this thing, but nope. This is like what'd happen if they merged Heyman's brain with Johnny Ace.

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Old 06-14-2006, 02:47 AM   #209
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WoW. I just had to explain to everyone here that hadn't seen the original ECW that tonight's show was NOT representative of the old company at all. They were all like, "THIS is what they've been making a stink about?".

Oh well, at least I got to educate people on the real ECW.
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Old 06-14-2006, 02:51 AM   #210
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Old 06-14-2006, 02:58 AM   #211
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Great, they just had a former WWE guy squash a former ECW world champ. How the hell are they gonna get these ECW guys over if they just job all the time?

Meh it was Justin Credible, one of the worst ECW Chmaps of all time.
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Old 06-14-2006, 03:02 AM   #212
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Yeah, I like Credible and all. But really, he was never that great a wrestler.
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Old 06-14-2006, 03:06 AM   #213
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Yeah, I like Credible and all. But really, he was never that great a wrestler.
He was great in tag matches but as World Champ, he honestly was boring as shit.
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Old 06-14-2006, 03:17 AM   #214
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I always thought his matches with The great Sasuke were good.
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Old 06-14-2006, 03:52 AM   #215
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I always thought his matches with The great Sasuke were good.
Well Sasuke isn't a legend for nothing. Look I'm not saying he's complete Hacksaw Jim Duggan Tripe, just that he isn't this greatc fantastic former ECW champ that some seem to tout him as.
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Old 06-14-2006, 03:53 AM   #216
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Yeah I didn't mind Credible really.

Haven't seen the show, just read through it and it sounds shite
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Old 06-14-2006, 03:57 AM   #217
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Sounds like a shit show, don't even want to watch it on Sky whenever it is on now.

To me it just appears to be another way to promote Vengeance. Cena and Edge didn't need to be there. If this was meant to really feel like ECW coming back, they don't need WWE guys on there. I thought Heyman was going to be writing the shows? Obviously he didn't have full control.
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Old 06-14-2006, 04:03 AM   #218
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Ha ha ha. From the PWInsider epoilers,this happend before the show:

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Joey entered the ring. He asked the crowd if they knew tonight was the premiere of ECW. He said there's also a Smackdown taping and asked the ECW fans to keep the risqué chants to a minimum because of the families here to watch Smackdown, then gave an Oh My God!
Joey: There are children in attendence so please, keep the risky chants down... think of the children. Oh hey, now enjoy this strip routine!
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Well Sasuke isn't a legend for nothing. Look I'm not saying he's complete Hacksaw Jim Duggan Tripe, just that he isn't this greatc fantastic former ECW champ that some seem to tout him as.
In terms of being promoted as a top guy, he was. It's not much different from a guy like The Sandman, really. The Sandman will never be confused with a technical wonder in the ring, but he's a five-time former ECW World Heavyweight Champion, and known the world over as the "Extreme Icon". My thing is if Justin was good enough to win the ECW World Heavyweight Title, he should've been good enough to give Kurt a run for his money, at the very least, especially being that it was at "an ECW environment".
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Old 06-14-2006, 04:40 AM   #221
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In terms of being promoted as a top guy, he was. It's not much different from a guy like The Sandman, really. The Sandman will never be confused with a technical wonder in the ring, but he's a five-time former ECW World Heavyweight Champion, and known the world over as the "Extreme Icon". My thing is if Justin was good enough to win the ECW World Heavyweight Title, he should've been good enough to give Kurt a run for his money, at the very least, especially being that it was at "an ECW environment".
Sandman's build up as an ECW Maineventer was a lot stronger than Credible's ever was.

I understand that jobbing him out was probably not the best idea in the world but then again Credible's Crediblity since the death of the real ECW has been nothing short of nil. Maybe i'm just blinded by the fact that I really don't give two shits about JC when he's no tagging with Lance.

From the sounds of the show the squashing of JC is probably the least of the worries ECW fans should have. Let us not forget this is Kurt Angle he got jobbed to, not say Chris Masters, Carlito or some other WWE midcarder.
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Sandman's build up as an ECW Maineventer was a lot stronger than Credible's ever was.

I understand that jobbing him out was probably not the best idea in the world but then again Credible's Crediblity since the death of the real ECW has been nothing short of nil. Maybe i'm just blinded by the fact that I really don't give two shits about JC when he's no tagging with Lance.

From the sounds of the show the squashing of JC is probably the least of the worries ECW fans should have. Let us not forget this is Kurt Angle he got jobbed to, not say Chris Masters, Carlito or some other WWE midcarder.
For all intents and purposes, it might as well have been. Like I said, jobbing him out? Fine. Squashing him? That's where I have a problem with it, and mind you I'm not Justin Credible's biggest fan by a longshot.
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But how did he squash him?

All Kurt did was straight mat wrestling/shooting.

He's an olympic gold medalist. It's not hard to believe that he could take someone apart on the mat without much problem, even if they are a pro-wrestler.

Just wait, kay? There are people who will give Kurt a run for his money, and I bet JC, down the line, will be one of them. Right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Angle/Mahoney feud, as Styles always brings up Mahoney's "high school wrestling."
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But how did he squash him?

All Kurt did was straight mat wrestling/shooting.

He's an olympic gold medalist. It's not hard to believe that he could take someone apart on the mat without much problem, even if they are a pro-wrestler.

Just wait, kay? There are people who will give Kurt a run for his money, and I bet JC, down the line, will be one of them. Right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Angle/Mahoney feud, as Styles always brings up Mahoney's "high school wrestling."
Oh, okay. Someone that hasn't been on television in years and who we're supposed to see as a credible wrestler (no pun intended) is someone that Kurt can take apart without much problem, but every new talent and random jobber Kurt challenged in the Angle Invitational came within seconds of beating him? I mean, a fucking retard DID beat him, but yet he can "take apart" Justin Credible no problem? I'm sorry, but that's a huge slap in the face to ECW.
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Angle Invitation Kurt was wrestling a "WWE" style.

Now he's doing more of a shoot style. Granted, he COULD have done that in WWE in theory, but the way they want you to believe it is that this is the NEW Kurt ANgle, wrestling his way, not held back, which means he's shooting, and that's his style. It's a style that pro-wrestlers aren't really used to.

Look at it this way. If someone like Chuck Liddel or misc other random MMA guy came into WWE/ECW and squashed a guy, would that be a slap in the face? HEll, Shamrock did it for awhile in WWF.

And assuming Kurt stays in "ECW" how is it a slap in their face? A wrestler who they're trying to make the face of the new ECW was shooting on a guy and choked him out.

Booking wise, this makes perfect sense.
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ECW would be better if they taped it either after SmackDown, or at a house show...

Because that crowd compared to the PPV sucked.

"Kelly" (aka should be on Raw or Smackdown, as she was a fake Torrie Wilson) coming out to no retribution (like the "WWE"-like Zombie character getting destroyed by Sandman as a nice Heyman-ish tongue-in-cheek touch) sucked.

The Angle squash was pretty bad. I mean, I like Angle, but that should have been against a random jobber.

Too much "WWE" in that show... it was like the greatest fears of ECW fans put into one show.

Any time ECW fans have to be restrained in chants.... it isn't ECW.
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The Kelly thing was another thing that actually felt ECW. Reminded me of Kimona on top of the ECW Arena. Although, I thought that she was going to get laid out by Jazz or Trinity or someone.
That would have made so much sense.

Since Kelly looked very much like a "WWE" random chick, I was expecting Jazz to come out and whoop her much like Sandman does the "WWE" like gimmick characters.

It reminded me of how Taz would destroy those body builder looking wrestlers purported to be from "The WWF".
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Angle Invitation Kurt was wrestling a "WWE" style.

Now he's doing more of a shoot style. Granted, he COULD have done that in WWE in theory, but the way they want you to believe it is that this is the NEW Kurt ANgle, wrestling his way, not held back, which means he's shooting, and that's his style. It's a style that pro-wrestlers aren't really used to.

Look at it this way. If someone like Chuck Liddel or misc other random MMA guy came into WWE/ECW and squashed a guy, would that be a slap in the face? HEll, Shamrock did it for awhile in WWF.

And assuming Kurt stays in "ECW" how is it a slap in their face? A wrestler who they're trying to make the face of the new ECW was shooting on a guy and choked him out.

Booking wise, this makes perfect sense.
Yeah, Shamrock did the same thing to random jobbers. How's he "not being held back" when all those moves are legal in the WWE? (Even that "choke" wasn't a choke in the blatant illegal choke sense.) I'm sorry, but you're not selling me on this.
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For all intents and purposes, it might as well have been. Like I said, jobbing him out? Fine. Squashing him? That's where I have a problem with it, and mind you I'm not Justin Credible's biggest fan by a longshot.
True enough, I'm just gonna go on a limb and assume that JC is not going to be an impact player in this the new ECW.
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Old 06-14-2006, 05:33 AM   #230
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True enough, I'm just gonna go on a limb and assume that JC is not going to be an impact player in this the new ECW.
Well, if this is how he fares against the WWE's best, then I certainly hope not.
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Old 06-14-2006, 05:35 AM   #231
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Yeah, Shamrock did the same thing to random jobbers. How's he "not being held back" when all those moves are legal in the WWE? (Even that "choke" wasn't a choke in the blatant illegal choke sense.) I'm sorry, but you're not selling me on this.
Meh, to each their own.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not thrilled with it myself.

But booking wise, it makes sense. At least to me.
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Old 06-14-2006, 05:36 AM   #232
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Well, if this is how he fares against the WWE's best, then I certainly hope not.
Likewise mostly because I think as a solo guy he's bland as shit. Now if Storm agrees to come back then we have something for him to do.
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Likewise mostly because I think as a solo guy he's bland as shit. Now if Storm agrees to come back then we have something for him to do.
If he needs a tag team partner, he could always be paired with someone else. Don't get me wrong, as I'm a fan of Lance Storm as well. I just don't see Lance as the only possible tag team partner for the man who tells people that he's not just the coolest, nor is he just the best.
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If he needs a tag team partner, he could always be paired with someone else. Don't get me wrong, as I'm a fan of Lance Storm as well. I just don't see Lance as the only possible tag team partner for the man who tells people that he's not just the coolest, nor is he just the best.

True. I was just a huge Impact Player fan heh.
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actially let me ask a question when JC came out and such did they tout him as a former ECW champion and such?
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actially let me ask a question when JC came out and such did they tout him as a former ECW champion and such?
yes they did. Also I don't really care the Credible got squashed just merely pointing out that I thought his two matches with The great Sasuke were good.

Also about Kelly. She at least knows her role and just takes off her clothes which is much better then watching chicks like her wrestle.
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2) Don't even start that bullshit. Do you think Vince McMahon would put a lot of money into this if he just wanted to sabotage it? Vince is going to have to answer to a lot of stock holders, if this fucking bombs he will have a lot of hell to pay on the business end.
Remind me how much he spent on WCW
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Last night's show was written by Paul Heyman and then put through the tweaking process by WWE creative. For those of you who thought Heyman would have some kind of creative control of the brand, you found out otherwise last night. This is a Vince McMahon production and we saw that last night. Reports backstage were that Heyman wrote the show to meet McMahon's expectations and visions of ECW.
Speaking of Heyman, people who saw him backstage told me it was pretty clear that he thought the show was a train wreck. In fact, everyone I talked to in the company felt the same way. They all knew that the show was a complete disaster and a failure.
The reason Tazz's PPV "match" with Jerry Lawler was put on the show is because the show actually ran short and they had to fill time. They also missed a few cues in the battle royal, forcing the production team to fix the mistakes in the 90 minute window that they had after the taping ended to before it aired.
Ring Announcer Steven DeAngelis was brought in to work the show but was told in the afternoon that he was not going to be used and sent home, despite the fact that WWE had told DeAngelis to come to the show and that he would be used. WWE chose to use Justin Roberts instead. I would ask why, but there wouldn't be a good answer so why bother? I think it was a really low move by WWE to DeAngelis. Then again, at least he wasn't a part of the train wreck


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