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Old 12-24-2005, 06:55 PM   #2401
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Who is that who made the tackle? I'd love to see "Lights Out" Merriman do that to someone -- it would be bloody like New Jack at that show, Transit whatever.
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WOOOOOOOO AFC West Champs. Finally. It's been too long. Now, on to the Super Bowl.
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BTW, Pat Williams is fuming at his Pro Bowl snub. He wouldn't even address the media.
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Galloway shoulda got in...but kinda hard to figure over who.

WEll my Colts/Falcons prediction from before the year is down the drain.
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Before yesterday I would've said Santana Moss, cause he had really quietened down the last few weeks.

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I don't have anything in front of me, but there is no doubt that Pat Williams should have made the Pro Bowl
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I don't have anything in front of me, but there is no doubt that Pat Williams should have made the Pro Bowl
I don't follow the Vikes, so I'm just looking at stats, which if he plays the 2gap then the stats don't mean crap because occuping 2 blockers doesn't show up on a stat sheet.

The three who made it over him

Rod Coleman, ATL: 31-tackles, 5-assts, 10.5-sacks, 5-pass def
Shaun Rogers, DET: 26-tackles, 7-assts, 5.5-sacks, 2-pass def (missed 3 games)
Tommie Harris, CHI: 24-tackles, 4-assts, 3-sacks, 0-pass def (missed 1 game and plays tonight)

Pat Williams, MIN: 37-tackles, 21-assts, 1.5-sacks, 1-pass def. (missed 1 game and plays tonight)

Assuming he does play the 2gap I can see the argument, if not, I don't see what he's done that makes him deserve that much more then the ones who went.

Also, not talking to the press because he feels "slighted" wont indear him to anyone, it will just reinforce what's wrong with some athletes. Maybe someone should explain to him, the press doesn't get a vote.
1/3 fans and 2/3 Players/Coaches.

That being said, it's always a popularity contest to some point, and guys who don't deserve anymore still go and players who do get slighted.

The only person who has any reason to be pissed off is the OT from the colts who was told yes and then no and I'm pretty sure each coach gets to pick 1 player and where Dungy is the AFC pro-bowl coach, I'll assume he takes him (assuming Dungy still coaches the pro-bowl, he does have more important matters to deal with).
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Is this the year the Seahawks finally make it? I remember last year they were the "popular underdog" in the beginning of the season and I think it hurt them, but now they are silently looking pretty good (granted they are in the worst division in football).

In the same token, I could see Washington making a run, but losing to Indy nonetheless.
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Is this the year the Seahawks finally make it? I remember last year they were the "popular underdog" in the beginning of the season and I think it hurt them, but now they are silently looking pretty good (granted they are in the worst division in football).

In the same token, I could see Washington making a run, but losing to Indy nonetheless.
I've always been a hugeass Seattle fan (Seattle, Packers, Steelers are my top three), so I'm really pleased to see them going this far.

But I'll definitely agree with you. They're the best team in the worst division of the NFL. I'm really glad to see them pick up some victories on teams from other divisions (Giants, especially. Don't know why, as I don't dislike the Giants at all, but it did me some good to see Seattle beat them). I don't know if they'll make it to the Super Bowl, but I'm hoping and praying for it. I'm more afraid to see them play the Bears than any other team for some reason, though.
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I'm not familiar with the term 2-gap, but he is a nose tackle, and he definately occupies two blockers. He is huge, he is like Warren Sapp.

He should have been a lock to make the Pro Bowl weeks ago. He makes everybody around him better, C.J. Mosley looked like a Pro Bowler playing next to him.

Alphabean will do a better job explaining his dominance, as he has seen him all year, but what hurts him is that nobody knows who he is, but he is amazing.
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I'm not familiar with the term 2-gap, but he is a nose tackle, and he definately occupies two blockers. He is huge, he is like Warren Sapp.

He should have been a lock to make the Pro Bowl weeks ago. He makes everybody around him better, C.J. Mosley looked like a Pro Bowler playing next to him.

Alphabean will do a better job explaining his dominance, as he has seen him all year, but what hurts him is that nobody knows who he is, but he is amazing.
2gap system the job of the NT or DT is not to go "up field" and get the QB or the RB, their job is to occupy 2 blockers Center/Gaurd which opens room for a DE to spin inside or a LB/CB/Saftey to Blitz.

It's one of the most underated jobs in the NFL because most fans never notice it, they look at stats and see: "this guy has no sacks, no hurries and not many tackles" what they don't realise is he opened the lane for a bunch of sacks, hurries and tackles, it's like a FB for a top running back.

As I said, I don't follow the Vikes, I'm just asking why he deserves to go, over the other players who got taken?
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I'm still not convinced by the Seahawks. Don't get me wrong, they've done all they can do and you can only beat who's put in front of you, but they really, *really* should've lost to the Giants, and the Giants are poor on the road. That doesn't really indicate to me that homefield will be the advantage for them it should be. Bye week on the other hand, huge help, obviously. I honestly think at this point though, if both teams were 100%, the Bears would edge them.
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Praying for a Packers win tonight. 14 - 7 right now, Bears. It also seems like every time I've looked at the TV, Green Bay has been getting hit with penalties.

I'm horrified at the thought of Seattle having to play Chicago. As much of a mark as I am for Alexander and Hasselbeck, I have a huge fear of the Bears defense.
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I don't know off the top of my head, I might research it a little bit actually, but I'd be interested to see how the right side of the Bears D would match against the left side of the Seahawks O-line. That would probably be key.
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I'm sorry but Brett Favre just isn't good anymore. It's not the team around him, he hasn't been great for years now. Commentators love to suck his dick, but the Packers would be smart to put Aaron Rodgers in next year.
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lol Are you serious? He has nobody around him. It is the team.
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Yeah, you're right, it's not the team around him, because there IS no team around him. The Packers would be smart if they put a running back behind Favre.
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Favre might not have a great team around him anymore, but he sure makes some horrible decisions. Decisions that a guy who has been around as long as he has shouldn't make. Most of his interceptions are on him.
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Yeah, you're right, it's not the team around him, because there IS no team around him. The Packers would be smart if they put a running back behind Favre.
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First off, That's it for the season... another rebuilding period for the queens ahead.

Second off, yeah, all Favre needed was an O-Line, which provided him with a superstar HB, which gave him enough protection that he could PA into anything. He didn't need a defense. He didn't need a whole team. He just needed a little help.

Sherman is a horrible GM. He ruined one of the top OL in football, never improved the defense, and his skill position players got hurt. He put too much weight on Green, Davenport and Walker's shoulders and it bit him in the ass. He's still got the skill to win a superbowl if he was on a good team.

Third off, Pat Williams was an undrafted Rookie Free Agent. He signed for a "good" contract, but nothing more. He should be getting more than he's getting. He's got a chip on his shoulder, he doesn't think like other people think. Most players, like the ones in the pro bowl, they were drafted with EXPECTATIONS of getting to the Pro Bowl. These guys were all 1st round picks, pretty sure. Dunno about Rod Coleman, but the point is... they were drafted. How many HBs do you know who care about fantasy stats? Priest Holmes does. He has a chip on his shoulder, too. He wants to get as many stats as possible in the short time he has in the league, because his time in the NFL matters a whole lot more than someone like LT, who started as a rookie. Priest Holmes and Pat Williams spent years on the bench before they had their chance. They know their careers aren't going to be as prolific as Bret Favre's. They started their careers in hurry-up offense mode. That's why, when Pat Williams laughs and mocks a Center for being pathetic and incapable of blocking him, even when his team loses, you understand. It's not about the team. No team has ever handed anything to him, so he doesn't owe anybody anything.

But basically, he made Olin Kreutz his personal bitch, and Kreutz makes the Pro Bowl every year. When the best center goes against a DT and gets decimated... that's an estimation of the quality of a player.
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Wow.

Favre is making horrible decisions, but it's pretty obvious he is trying to force things because...well...he basically feels he HAS to.

Andrae Thurman.
Samkon Gado.
Noah Herron.
David Martin.
Robert Ferguson.
Antonio Chatman.
Rod Gardner.

How many of those guys had you heard of before this year? How many of them do you have no idea who they are?

These guys are the Packers skill players sir.
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So all those horrible interceptions are everybody elses fault?

You guys can stop pretending, he hasn't been the Brett Favre that he has been talked up to be for years. He is hella tough, there is no doubt about that, but he's not a great passer anymore and he makes a lot of poor decisions.

He is the iron man, but the Packers will be better off with somebody else starting next year.
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I agree, he's not the Favre of old, but he would throw less interceptions if the Pack had a decent running game and an O-Line that could buy him a little time.
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Favre has the same issue with "bad decisions" that Bledsoe does. They both have cannon arms that they rely on, they both see a guy 30yds down field, double covered with a small seperation and say "I can't put that in there" and for years, Favre did, now maybe he lost a little off his throw, and those same balls, becomes INT's rather then amazing plays. The Packers do need to rebuild, they do need to start Aaron Rodgers, but not until they have a healthy running game and an OL to block. Till then, why not let Favre get killed and Rodgers stay on the bench. Also, don't forget GB always had a history of drafting "the next QB" and after a few years on the bench dealing him for a pick (see: Aaron Brooks & Mark Brunell)
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Rodgers didn't look all that great last week in garbage time against the Ravens (btw what the hell has happened there? I know they haven't exactly been playing the Bears and Pats but suddenly Boller looks at least serviceable) but again that's mainly down to not having anything around him, bad situation for him to come into. They should rebuild and get guys healthy before he gets anywhere near the start.

To me it looks like the whole team just wants this season over and done with, can't say I blame them. I have no great affinity for Favre but he is basically out there trying to win on his own (Driver being the exception I guess, although he was pussying out of some balls last week)
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Speaking of Boller, he played pretty awesomely last night against the Vikings. Wasn't too bad of a game at all.

As for Favre, I love him, always have. I can see this from two sides though. He HAS lost some of his edge, but he's by no bounds a bad quarterback. On the other hand, the Packers offense has a bunch of guys that just seemed to pop up overnight. Even if Favre gets a good pass off, chances are that those guys will blow it.
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OK Brad Johnson is a guy who is getting way too much credit. He is simply an average quarterback, and that is why the Vikings aren't going to the playoffs. I give him all the credit it the world for winning all those games, but to do that he basically just had to be consistantly average.

When it comes to winning a big game (such as the last two) you have to be better then just a consistantly average quarterback. When somebody starts to chase him, it's over. He just isn't good enough to lead a team places, he is only good enough to do what a backup is supposed to do.

So all the credit in the world for what he deserves, but he doesn't deserve any more than a backup quarterback successfully going through the punches.
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yeah Brad Johnson can't lead anybody anywhere in any big game like that Super Bowl he won
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So, there's talk Jim Mora Jr. will get suspended by the team.

With like 1:20 left in OT and 4th and 2 on their own like 25, Mora punted.

He has said something like, he didn't know if a Win would mean more about their playoff chances then a tie at the time.

Well, after the game he goes to do his usually post-game interview on the radio and gets asked "why did you punt..." he takes off his headset and slams or throws it and then throws the mic almost hitting a female radio reporter (I think she was the sideline person) in the head and storms off.

I dunno, I think he flipped out (guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree there), but should the team really suspend him? that seems a bit much...
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OK Brad Johnson is a guy who is getting way too much credit. He is simply an average quarterback, and that is why the Vikings aren't going to the playoffs. I give him all the credit it the world for winning all those games, but to do that he basically just had to be consistantly average.

When it comes to winning a big game (such as the last two) you have to be better then just a consistantly average quarterback. When somebody starts to chase him, it's over. He just isn't good enough to lead a team places, he is only good enough to do what a backup is supposed to do.

So all the credit in the world for what he deserves, but he doesn't deserve any more than a backup quarterback successfully going through the punches.
I dunno, I see your point about him currently, but keep in mind the guys 37years old, I wouldn't expect him to win too many foot races, especially when he was never a "running QB".

I think he can still lead a team, but has to have the proper team around him, still has a good arm and decent release, short stuff to get the D to cheat-up and then try and burn them deep, but yeah, I wouldn't expect him to scramble and out-run too many people.

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yeah Brad Johnson can't lead anybody anywhere in any big game like that Super Bowl he won
I'm pretty sure he was referring to today, not 2002 when he put up some of the best numbers of his career.
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He did a lot better than anyone thought he would (Johnson).

Like I said, Favre has made horrible decisions. I'm pretty sure noone's denying that, and I'm not sure what the whole "You guys can stop pretending" meant. He's the first to take blame for the losses and the first to admit he's making bad decisions. To say he is over the hill and can't play anymore is pretty outrageous though.

Again, Andrae Thurman, Noah Herron, David Martin, Robert Ferguson, Antonio Chatman, and Rod Gardner are his skill players. You have to have a team around you to be successful, pretty simple.
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Vikings lost yesterday because they gave up 30 points to the Ravens.
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