NFL 2005 Season Thread - Page 62

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-26-2005, 06:50 PM

Favre needs to hang them up though. Just becuase you have a horrible team around you doesn't mean you need to make bad decisions. Having a bad team around you means you will lose, but having a bad team around doesn't mean you need to lead the NFL in INTs. When a LB steps infront of a WR and takes it to the house, you can't blame that on Noah Herron, sorry.

People want to love Favre because hes been great for a lot of years but players get older and can't compair with themselves of before. I still think Favre would have a lot of INTs and shit if he was on another team, he always made bad decisions. He's labeled as a "Gun slinger" which basically means he throws the ball around, that worked for him before when he could still really sling it, but he's lost some of his skills due to age/injuries.

**Gonzo** · 12-26-2005, 08:35 PM

I think in Favre's case he is trying to do too much because of the lack of players around him. I'm not saying he doesn't make bad decisions, but look at his numbers from last year, you don't just drop off that much in one year enough to warrant retirement. His team has really been hampered by injuries and I think he tries to do too much.

Now, lets shift the discussion a little bit. Who do you all have as MVP, why? State your cases.

They have a poll on ESPN.com that Shaun Alexander is leading in. I generally agree with that, I'm not too sure how well Seattle's defense is or anything like that because I've only seen one game. Hasselback is a pretty good quarterback I think but I think without Alexander the Seahawks definitely would not be in their position.

What do you guys think about Tiki Barber though? I think he is in a similar situation as Alexander is in Seattle. Our defense picked it up in the middle of the year, so that helped the team. Manning has been ridiculously inconsistent all year and Tiki has more or less carried the team. I know it sounds homerish to say Tiki ought to be MVP, but what do you guys think?

**Team Sheep** · 12-26-2005, 08:45 PM

Jets home win tonight!!

**Team Sheep** · 12-26-2005, 08:50 PM

Is this the last night of ABC showing MNF then?

**Gonzo** · 12-26-2005, 08:54 PM

On ABC yeah. I think its going to ESPN. EPSN and ABC are all the same company now a days I think though.

**Team Sheep** · 12-26-2005, 08:57 PM

Oh right. Shouldn't affect the rights to show the games over here in the UK then. I'm watching it on a channel called five right now, presented by a Scottish boy.

Sky's coverage is so much better.

**Gonzo** · 12-26-2005, 09:01 PM

I don't think it would. I've been hearing something about NBC having the Sunday Night games and something between either NBC or ESPN getting to choose which game it wants, between the MNF and SNF games? I don't know what the deal is with that though. Like, how that works out with tickets and fans and stuff?

**UmbrellaCorporation** · 12-26-2005, 11:35 PM

4th quarter at about 11 minutes, 28 - 14 Patriots.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-27-2005, 01:45 AM

Patriots dominated them, wasn't nearly as close as the score.

Ty Law ran back an INT, he wants back with the Patriots though. He didn't even celebrate and he was constantly helping people up and stuff. They even mentioned (the commentators) how he might come back and how he hasn't burned any bridges. I guess he realized making a ton of money is more fun when you are winning.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-27-2005, 01:50 AM

Vrabel is a sick fuck too, 2 TD catches

**BCWWF** · 12-27-2005, 04:26 AM

You don't understand what I am saying, and what it's like in Minnesota.

Brad Johnson came in and did a hell of a job winning what six straight games? For a backup quarterback, he is easily one of the top non-starters in the league this year. But there is a reason he didn't get any starting offers in the beginning of the year. The first tough opponent that the Vikes played with him (Pittsburgh) destroyed him, because he isn't a great quartback. He is consistantly average, and thats all he needed to be to win those games, but you can't win in the playoffs with him as your quarterback.

Now that looks like I am completely putting him down, but I don't mean to be. It's just that from his success, people in Minnesota have turned on Duante Culpepper. People want to trade Duante and let BJ start next year. That is just rediculous. Culpepper has some troubles fumbling, and he occasionally makes a poor decision passing, but he also has a great arm that threw for what, 40 some touchdowns last season. What is important though, he has the intangibles. He can scramble, he can get hit hard, and he can just make things happen.

So all the props to BJ for doing much more than he was expected to, but jesus christ, he isn't even close to Culpepper.

**Mr. Monday Morning** · 12-27-2005, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Team Sheep

Oh right. Shouldn't affect the rights to show the games over here in the UK then. I'm watching it on a channel called five right now, presented by a Scottish boy.

Sky's coverage is so much better.

It won't. And please explain how Colin Murray is Scottish

**Y2Ant** · 12-27-2005, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Team Sheep

Oh right. Shouldn't affect the rights to show the games over here in the UK then. I'm watching it on a channel called five right now, presented by a Scottish boy.

Sky's coverage is so much better.

he's irish you nob

**Y2Ant** · 12-27-2005, 08:06 AM

also, it's all about the Mike Carlson

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-27-2005, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

You don't understand what I am saying, and what it's like in Minnesota.

Brad Johnson came in and did a hell of a job winning what six straight games? For a backup quarterback, he is easily one of the top non-starters in the league this year. But there is a reason he didn't get any starting offers in the beginning of the year. The first tough opponent that the Vikes played with him (Pittsburgh) destroyed him, because he isn't a great quartback. He is consistantly average, and thats all he needed to be to win those games, but you can't win in the playoffs with him as your quarterback.

Now that looks like I am completely putting him down, but I don't mean to be. It's just that from his success, people in Minnesota have turned on Duante Culpepper. People want to trade Duante and let BJ start next year. That is just rediculous. Culpepper has some troubles fumbling, and he occasionally makes a poor decision passing, but he also has a great arm that threw for what, 40 some touchdowns last season. What is important though, he has the intangibles. He can scramble, he can get hit hard, and he can just make things happen.

So all the props to BJ for doing much more than he was expected to, but jesus christ, he isn't even close to Culpepper.

Well Johnson is probably going to be the starter to start off next season, I highly doubt Culpepper will be ready to go by then.

**AlphaBean** · 12-27-2005, 02:55 PM

Give Culpepper K-Rob and an offensive coordinator and he'll dominate. Loney's play calls were horrendous compared to Scott Linehan's. Linehan actually gameplanned against defenses, and knew Pep's strengths/Weaknesses, as well as those of the entire team. Loney tried to make Pep buy time while his slow WRs tried getting separation on long posts, Z-outs and other complex routes, but the O-line didn't do a goddamn thing to help him. So when he was down 24-0 he would throw it long, it would get tipped and intercepted, and the Daunte-haters put it all on him -- not on the quality of opponent, or unpreparedness of his offense.

Brad did dump passes. He would do underhand/two-handed ducks for 2 yards, because he called his own plays. Daunte never did that, though he should have. I'll admit Pep is not the smartest quarterback, but physically, you tell him where to throw it and he'll do it. Randall Cunningham was the same way. He just needs a coordinator. And I think the Vikings should hire one immediately to start the off-season. While Pep is rehabbing, he can study the playbook and come into 2006-2007 ready to go.

RP · 12-28-2005, 04:20 AM

Culpepper > Brad Johnson all the time every time in history of time. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-28-2005, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder

Culpepper > Brad Johnson all the time every time in history of time. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

No question about it, in their prime, best against best Pep has the tools, but does that make him a better QB?

Quite frankly with his skills, Pep should be one of if not the best QB in the league hands down, he's big, fast, strong, quick release, tough to tackle, can out run DL and run over LB's (not just DB's).

But, why isn't he! Who do we blame? Denny Green had plenty of talant arount him on offense and he had some good years, but why don't we talk about him with Manning & Brady? We should, and some do, but most don't...

**Team Sheep** · 12-28-2005, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Y2Ant

he's irish you nob

Whatever, he plays on his PSP during the games.

**AlphaBean** · 12-28-2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

No question about it, in their prime, best against best Pep has the tools, but does that make him a better QB?

Quite frankly with his skills, Pep should be one of if not the best QB in the league hands down, he's big, fast, strong, quick release, tough to tackle, can out run DL and run over LB's (not just DB's).

But, why isn't he! Who do we blame? Denny Green had plenty of talant arount him on offense and he had some good years, but why don't we talk about him with Manning & Brady? We should, and some do, but most don't...

You must be taking the piss.

Last season he had a season parallel to Manning's. Better in some ways, worse in others. It'd be better but the running game was there.

The Vikings have been in flux -- no continuity. Continuity is the one thing the Colts have had. They are steady every season, and unfortunately, the Vikings and Colts have similar playoff records during Pep and Peyton's respective careers.

This year, new coordinator, and an overhaul on defense. Defenders don't come on until midseason after Pep is killed. Nobody knows what Pep could do with this team, and to be honest, maybe he would have lost some games Brad would have won. Because Brad played his own style, and Daunte just ran the plays called. He's only as good as his team and coaches. But when his team and his coaches are all doing well, he will outperform any Brady or Manning, because he has better physical tools. I think he just doesn't trust in his own decision-making yet. Either that, or he's just not smart enough.

As for Brady, well, he really hasn't had to win many games, has he? At least in the SuperBowl years. It was always "protect the ball" and "let the defense dominate." Now, if Pep had that, things might have been different. With a defense, he might already have a ring. That's why Brad has a ring. One ring. That's why Trent Dilfer has a ring. One ring. Because their defenses stood up for one year at their peak.

So to answer your question, who is to blame? Must someone be to blame? Maybe it just so happens that Pep is an amazing talent at Quarterback, but that just isn't enough to save this franchise. But do we say that Barry Sanders was not great?

**Joey Slugs** · 12-28-2005, 02:06 PM

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On ABC yeah. I think its going to ESPN. EPSN and ABC are all the same company now a days I think though.

MNF debuts next season on ESPN, correct. ESPN & ABC are owned by the same company... Disney.

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I don't think it would. I've been hearing something about NBC having the Sunday Night games and something between either NBC or ESPN getting to choose which game it wants, between the MNF and SNF games? I don't know what the deal is with that though. Like, how that works out with tickets and fans and stuff?

SNF is making the shift to NBC & Madden/Costas (rumor) will have broadcast duties. ESPN & NBC will not be allowed to hand pick which games they show. The only people that can do that are the NFL schedule makers. (Do you think that MNF would choose to show Green Bay v Baltimore when San Diego and Indy played that same week?) It'll never happen.

**Joey Slugs** · 12-28-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder

Culpepper > Brad Johnson all the time every time in history of time. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

OVER RATED

**Joey Slugs** · 12-28-2005, 02:13 PM

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From ESPN Insider

Everyone knows the Chicago Bears have the best defense in football right now. But with QB Kyle Orton leading an anemic offense, few believed they could make a long playoff run. Now that QB Rex Grossman has assumed the starting role, the question is whether he gives them enough offense to be a playoff threat. I believe he does.

With Orton at the helm, the Bears could count on their offense scoring somewhere between seven and 14 points per game. With Grossman, they can count on an extra touchdown, or 14-21 points per game. With a defense as good as theirs, the Bears feel they can win every game with that type of offensive production.

While Grossman isn't Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, he is confident. And that confidence is infectious. The Bears might have been on the verge of a mutiny if Orton was left in at quarterback. In our meetings for "NFL Live," Mike Golic always talks about how divided the locker room was when he played for the Eagles in the late 1980s and early '90s. Their defense was awesome, but their offense couldn't do a thing.

Confidence might be biggest difference between the two quarterbacks. Somewhere along the way this season, Orton became afraid to make mistakes. Thus, almost all of his throws became check-downs. Even when receivers were open, Orton wasn't confident they were open enough and threw the short pass instead.

No one is happier about Grossman's taking over at quarterback than wide receiver Muhsin Muhammad, who was becoming more and more disgruntled with Orton's unwillingness to go vertical. On Grossman's first play against Green Bay, he threw a deep fade that was incomplete. That throw was a statement, both to the opposition and to his own team that things were going to change with the offense.

Muhammad is one of the best possession receivers in football and, with Bernard Berrian as a speed burner, is finding more space to move the chains. The Bears like to line up Berrian and Muhammad on the same side, have Berrian run a deep pattern to clear out defenders and run Muhammad underneath over the middle in the vacated space. Unlike Orton, Grossman is willing to make that throw, and he trusts his arm to get it there and his receiver to come down with the catch.

In terms of actual plays the Bears are running, they are still a simple offense with Grossman, but because he presents the threat of going deep, the scheme is more effective. The Bears are not asking Grossman to survey the entire field and make a lot of progression reads. What they are asking is that he trust where the play is supposed to go and not immediately check down.

This passing game, or even the threat of it, will back the defense's safeties off, which will make life easier for the ball-control running game. Before, teams were playing eight- and even nine-man fronts, with both safeties in the box and single coverage on the outside. Now teams will have to respect the pass a little more and drop their safeties back in coverage more often. This will open up the running game a little more for Thomas Jones, who after seeing stacked fronts for so long will probably think he's in heaven if he sees only seven defenders playing the run.

During the first eight games of the season, Jones averaged 20 carries per game and 4.5 yards per attempt. Over the next six games, as teams started crowding the line because they weren't threatened by Orton and the passing game, Jones' numbers fell to 3.8 yards per carry on 18 attempts per game. Against the Packers Sunday, with Grossman under center, Jones carried 25 times for 105 yards, his first 100-yard game since Week 7.

Grossman's numbers weren't spectacular against Green Bay (11 of 23, 166 yards, one touchdown, one interception), but the throws he was making -- accurate and decisive, with good velocity -- were a clear indication that the Bears are better off with him at quarterback.

And another thing: New England WILL be the AFC champs this year & they will be playing either Chicago or Seattle.

**Mr. Monday Morning** · 12-28-2005, 02:55 PM

Madden is going to NBC, dunno whether he'll be in the booth or the studio though.

**BCWWF** · 12-28-2005, 03:12 PM

No, I think New England will make the AFC Championship, but I think Indy is just too strong.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-28-2005, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Joey Slugs

SNF is making the shift to NBC & Madden/Costas (rumor) will have broadcast duties. ESPN & NBC will not be allowed to hand pick which games they show. The only people that can do that are the NFL schedule makers. (Do you think that MNF would choose to show Green Bay v Baltimore when San Diego and Indy played that same week?) It'll never happen.

Wanna bet?

Either the NBC Sunday contract or the ESPN Monday contract or possible both, have agreements for the network with notice to request a different game.

I've read two different version for NBC, one is it's the league's descretion, the other is NBC can request a game switch for the last 7 weeks of the season, so a 1pm or 4pm game would move to NBC for "prime time sunday".

As for ESPN, If I recall correctly, ESPN gets to request a different game and they actually get to pick the game for the last 1/2 of the season w/ 30days notice. This means a sunday 1pm or 4pm can get moved to Mondaynight, however I think NBC gets a certain number of "proections" so if they happen to have the best game of the week already they won't lose it.

I'll look later and see if I can find the exact details, but those contracts (1 or both) had provisions for making sure that they wouldn't get

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Green Bay v Baltimore when San Diego and Indy played that same week

**VonErich Lives** · 12-28-2005, 03:29 PM

ok, just did a google, looks like it just NBC that gets it, but I thought it was part of ESPN 1.1billion dollar/year package also.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NGO4CB6UN1.DTL

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NBC will get the league's opening game on a Thursday night, and the network also gets the benefit of "flexible scheduling" for the final seven weeks of the season. The NFL will try to avoid having matchups between also- ran teams in its prime-time telecasts; apparently the league figures it is easier on fans and schedule-makers to move the time of, say, a Sunday afternoon game to the evening, than it would be to move a Sunday game to Monday.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-28-2005, 03:40 PM

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You must be taking the piss.

Last season he had a season parallel to Manning's. Better in some ways, worse in others. It'd be better but the running game was there.

I agree with last year, but he should be there every year, he has the "physical tools". Also, even last year with the great year, he doesn't seem to get the "Credit" It's true to some point, you're only as good as your team around you, but the "great qb's" find a way to win when they don't have the best team.

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The Vikings have been in flux -- no continuity. Continuity is the one thing the Colts have had. They are steady every season, and unfortunately, the Vikings and Colts have similar playoff records during Pep and Peyton's respective careers.

This year, new coordinator, and an overhaul on defense. Defenders don't come on until midseason after Pep is killed. Nobody knows what Pep could do with this team, and to be honest, maybe he would have lost some games Brad would have won. Because Brad played his own style, and Daunte just ran the plays called. He's only as good as his team and coaches. But when his team and his coaches are all doing well, he will outperform any Brady or Manning, because he has better physical tools. I think he just doesn't trust in his own decision-making yet. Either that, or he's just not smart enough.

Ok, that's what I was asking, I don't watch him enough, but I agree, he has the tools to be the best QB in the league, Manning's arm, Vick's legs, LB/DL size...

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As for Brady, well, he really hasn't had to win many games, has he? At least in the SuperBowl years. It was always "protect the ball" and "let the defense dominate." Now, if Pep had that, things might have been different. With a defense, he might already have a ring. That's why Brad has a ring. One ring. That's why Trent Dilfer has a ring. One ring. Because their defenses stood up for one year at their peak.

I'll disagree with that, but you'd expect none the less from me, yes, the Pats have had good defenses (well, not this year) and yes they typically have had a decent running game, but they always seem to use the Pass to set-up the run, also if it wasn't for him making the "drive" in a few of those "big games" (playoffs, superbowls) he'd be short at least 2 rings. On the flip side, bledsoe doesn't come in and hit that TD to the back of the endzone on 2001 and Brady doesn't get a chance to win the SB against STL.

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So to answer your question, who is to blame? Must someone be to blame? Maybe it just so happens that Pep is an amazing talent at Quarterback, but that just isn't enough to save this franchise. But do we say that Barry Sanders was not great?

Valid point, but is it he can't "save the franchise" or the "franchise can't save him".

I dunno, I just feel like we should expect more from him, maybe he hasn't had the right coaching or system, who knows... I don't follow them close hence why I ask, I just look at this guys "tools" and feel he's a man among boys at that position.

**Joey Slugs** · 12-28-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

ok, just did a google, looks like it just NBC that gets it, but I thought it was part of ESPN 1.1billion dollar/year package also.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NGO4CB6UN1.DTL

thanks for the research.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-28-2005, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Joey Slugs

thanks for the research.

www.google.com is about the extend of my research abilities, I never took that class in highschool about how to use the "card catalog at the library", but it must be pretty intense if you need a whole class dedicated to it!

**OssMan** · 12-28-2005, 08:07 PM

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Yo here is a question for the folk who go to games frequently.  When I was at 
skins game this week, I heard a ton of "Giants suck,"  
"Tiki sucks, Eli sucks" etc.  No one cheering for the Redskins, or the regular 
chants you would normally hear at football games.  
Is it always like this everywhere?  I mean it was a huge divisional 
game but my dad was saying he never heard it that much when he was a kid.  
Apparently you could hear it on TV too :o

So yeah does it happen a lot in other places

**Gonzo** · 12-28-2005, 08:23 PM

I think the Giants chances are shit now. Our strong point, the defense, over the past half of the season has been decimated with injuries. Two starting linebackers on injured reserve. We had to bring in guys that played for us last year to fill in. We're fucked.

**Skippord** · 12-29-2005, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

No, I think New England will make the AFC Championship, but I think Indy is just too strong.

No they're really not my prediction for the Superbowl this year would be

Denver or Pittsburgh Vs Chicago or the Seahawks

side note my pick of Denver isnt hometown bias its that I actually belive they are good enough to beat Indy this year.

also if we lose 44-19 this year I'll kill myself

**Gonzo** · 12-29-2005, 10:18 AM

I don't think Denver makes it that far. They're good but they aren't that good.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-29-2005, 02:16 PM

Pittsburgh?

RP · 12-29-2005, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Skippord

No they're really not my prediction for the Superbowl this year would be

Denver or Pittsburgh Vs Chicago or the Seahawks

side note my pick of Denver isnt hometown bias its that I actually belive they are good enough to beat Indy this year.

also if we lose 44-19 this year I'll kill myself

How bout 52 - 21

**VonErich Lives** · 12-29-2005, 03:29 PM

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How bout 52 - 21

Then he'll only pull out his finger nails.

I laugh at the locals fans all talking about how the Pats should win this week to try and get the #3 seed, so they'd go to Denver in the 2nd round not Indy.

I dunno, maybe it's me... but we should probably make it through round #1 1st.

If I have a choice of Jax or Pitt, I'd take Jax. Also, if you're going to have to go through Indy at some point, is week 1 week going to make a huge difference?

RP · 12-29-2005, 04:37 PM

For what its worth. I hope they get the #3 seed. Pats Vs Colts in the AFC championship in Indianapolis would be tits.

RP · 12-29-2005, 04:39 PM

The Pats can smash anyone, but Indy and they can beat Indy. This AFC playoffs will be amazing.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-29-2005, 04:42 PM

yeah, I'd like to see it again, although if the Pats play then round #2 that's ok with me.

Although, if Bruschi isn't back and it's Monty "speed bump" Bisel, I wouldn't be shocked if they don't get past round #1.

I'm happy they made the playoffs, 2002 was a huge leftdown to win the superbowl and then miss the playoffs... at least give yourself a shot to defend your title.

12-26-2005, 06:50 PM	#2441
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Favre needs to hang them up though. Just becuase you have a horrible team around you doesn't mean you need to make bad decisions. Having a bad team around you means you will lose, but having a bad team around doesn't mean you need to lead the NFL in INTs. When a LB steps infront of a WR and takes it to the house, you can't blame that on Noah Herron, sorry. People want to love Favre because hes been great for a lot of years but players get older and can't compair with themselves of before. I still think Favre would have a lot of INTs and shit if he was on another team, he always made bad decisions. He's labeled as a "Gun slinger" which basically means he throws the ball around, that worked for him before when he could still really sling it, but he's lost some of his skills due to age/injuries.

12-26-2005, 08:35 PM	#2442
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	I think in Favre's case he is trying to do too much because of the lack of players around him. I'm not saying he doesn't make bad decisions, but look at his numbers from last year, you don't just drop off that much in one year enough to warrant retirement. His team has really been hampered by injuries and I think he tries to do too much. Now, lets shift the discussion a little bit. Who do you all have as MVP, why? State your cases. They have a poll on ESPN.com that Shaun Alexander is leading in. I generally agree with that, I'm not too sure how well Seattle's defense is or anything like that because I've only seen one game. Hasselback is a pretty good quarterback I think but I think without Alexander the Seahawks definitely would not be in their position. What do you guys think about Tiki Barber though? I think he is in a similar situation as Alexander is in Seattle. Our defense picked it up in the middle of the year, so that helped the team. Manning has been ridiculously inconsistent all year and Tiki has more or less carried the team. I know it sounds homerish to say Tiki ought to be MVP, but what do you guys think?

12-26-2005, 08:45 PM	#2443
Team Sheep T�m Defaid Posts: 6,646	Jets home win tonight!!

12-26-2005, 08:50 PM	#2444
Team Sheep T�m Defaid Posts: 6,646	Is this the last night of ABC showing MNF then?

12-26-2005, 08:54 PM	#2445
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	On ABC yeah. I think its going to ESPN. EPSN and ABC are all the same company now a days I think though.

12-26-2005, 08:57 PM	#2446
Team Sheep T�m Defaid Posts: 6,646	Oh right. Shouldn't affect the rights to show the games over here in the UK then. I'm watching it on a channel called five right now, presented by a Scottish boy. Sky's coverage is so much better.

12-26-2005, 09:01 PM	#2447
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	I don't think it would. I've been hearing something about NBC having the Sunday Night games and something between either NBC or ESPN getting to choose which game it wants, between the MNF and SNF games? I don't know what the deal is with that though. Like, how that works out with tickets and fans and stuff?

12-26-2005, 11:35 PM	#2448
UmbrellaCorporation All That Jazz Posts: 3,310	4th quarter at about 11 minutes, 28 - 14 Patriots.

12-27-2005, 01:45 AM	#2449
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Patriots dominated them, wasn't nearly as close as the score. Ty Law ran back an INT, he wants back with the Patriots though. He didn't even celebrate and he was constantly helping people up and stuff. They even mentioned (the commentators) how he might come back and how he hasn't burned any bridges. I guess he realized making a ton of money is more fun when you are winning.

12-27-2005, 01:50 AM	#2450
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Vrabel is a sick fuck too, 2 TD catches

12-27-2005, 04:26 AM	#2451
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	You don't understand what I am saying, and what it's like in Minnesota. Brad Johnson came in and did a hell of a job winning what six straight games? For a backup quarterback, he is easily one of the top non-starters in the league this year. But there is a reason he didn't get any starting offers in the beginning of the year. The first tough opponent that the Vikes played with him (Pittsburgh) destroyed him, because he isn't a great quartback. He is consistantly average, and thats all he needed to be to win those games, but you can't win in the playoffs with him as your quarterback. Now that looks like I am completely putting him down, but I don't mean to be. It's just that from his success, people in Minnesota have turned on Duante Culpepper. People want to trade Duante and let BJ start next year. That is just rediculous. Culpepper has some troubles fumbling, and he occasionally makes a poor decision passing, but he also has a great arm that threw for what, 40 some touchdowns last season. What is important though, he has the intangibles. He can scramble, he can get hit hard, and he can just make things happen. So all the props to BJ for doing much more than he was expected to, but jesus christ, he isn't even close to Culpepper.

12-27-2005, 08:06 AM	#2454
Y2Ant Crows Before Hoes Posts: 24,501	also, it's all about the Mike Carlson

12-27-2005, 02:55 PM	#2456
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	Give Culpepper K-Rob and an offensive coordinator and he'll dominate. Loney's play calls were horrendous compared to Scott Linehan's. Linehan actually gameplanned against defenses, and knew Pep's strengths/Weaknesses, as well as those of the entire team. Loney tried to make Pep buy time while his slow WRs tried getting separation on long posts, Z-outs and other complex routes, but the O-line didn't do a goddamn thing to help him. So when he was down 24-0 he would throw it long, it would get tipped and intercepted, and the Daunte-haters put it all on him -- not on the quality of opponent, or unpreparedness of his offense. Brad did dump passes. He would do underhand/two-handed ducks for 2 yards, because he called his own plays. Daunte never did that, though he should have. I'll admit Pep is not the smartest quarterback, but physically, you tell him where to throw it and he'll do it. Randall Cunningham was the same way. He just needs a coordinator. And I think the Vikings should hire one immediately to start the off-season. While Pep is rehabbing, he can study the playbook and come into 2006-2007 ready to go.

12-28-2005, 04:20 AM	#2457
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,991	Culpepper > Brad Johnson all the time every time in history of time. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

12-28-2005, 02:55 PM	#2464
Mr. Monday Morning All Part Of The Plan Posts: 12,125	Madden is going to NBC, dunno whether he'll be in the booth or the studio though.

12-28-2005, 03:12 PM	#2465
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	No, I think New England will make the AFC Championship, but I think Indy is just too strong.

12-28-2005, 08:23 PM	#2472
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	I think the Giants chances are shit now. Our strong point, the defense, over the past half of the season has been decimated with injuries. Two starting linebackers on injured reserve. We had to bring in guys that played for us last year to fill in. We're fucked.

12-29-2005, 10:18 AM	#2474
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	I don't think Denver makes it that far. They're good but they aren't that good.

12-29-2005, 02:16 PM	#2475
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Pittsburgh?

12-29-2005, 04:37 PM	#2478
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,991	For what its worth. I hope they get the #3 seed. Pats Vs Colts in the AFC championship in Indianapolis would be tits.

12-29-2005, 04:39 PM	#2479
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,991	The Pats can smash anyone, but Indy and they can beat Indy. This AFC playoffs will be amazing.

12-29-2005, 04:42 PM	#2480
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	yeah, I'd like to see it again, although if the Pats play then round #2 that's ok with me. Although, if Bruschi isn't back and it's Monty "speed bump" Bisel, I wouldn't be shocked if they don't get past round #1. I'm happy they made the playoffs, 2002 was a huge leftdown to win the superbowl and then miss the playoffs... at least give yourself a shot to defend your title.