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Old 11-24-2010, 11:45 AM   #241
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$40 mil for Kei Igawa, $82 mil for Burnett, but nickel and dime the faces of the franchise?
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The problem is is that even though Daddy Steinbrenner through his money around, this is Hank's team now.

Change in ownership, change in the way money is thrown around.

AND YES I'M AWARE THEY THREW 140 MILLION AT CLIFF LEE YESTERDAY
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The way the Yankees blow money like it is nothing, you would think they would not fight over a few million when it comes to their two greatest players of the last 50 years.
I don't think Rivera is gonna be a problem at all. I think soon they'll give him two years at around what his last contract was. The first I even heard about Mariano this offseason was yesterday.

Its not a couple million though for Jeter. The Yanks offered him 45M over 3 years - which for a 36 year old SS who put up a season similar to Marco Scutaro last year is a lot. I really believe thats more than any other team would offer so the Yankees really shouldn't have to pile on more money.

I've read a lot lately about what Jeter wants (who knows how much is true), but he doesn't want any paycut at all. He wants to be making 20+M a year and get a ton of years. On the radio today they said the Yankees and Jeter are something like 50-100 million dollars apart on a deal. I find that unlikely but who knows.

As a Yankee fan I'm obviously a huge Jeter fan, but signing an aging SS to $20M a year over 5-6 years is not a smart move, no matter if he's Derek Jeter or not.
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$40 mil for Kei Igawa, $82 mil for Burnett, but nickel and dime the faces of the franchise?
They're really not nickel and diming him though. They're offering Jeter 15M a year until he's almost 40.
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Old 11-24-2010, 06:10 PM   #245
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yea really, just because they are the faces of the franchise doesn't mean they get whatever they want. it's still a business and if the guy's production has gone down then they are stupid to throw that kind of money at him
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I think a big problem was the Yankees tend to over pay players by a lot compared to their market value or range other teams are willing to pay. It bites them in the end since now they have players other teams can't afford to carry and it makes negotiations harder for them.

Can't really blame Jeter for going after a big value deal since the same thing happened to Riveria and A-Rod where the team over paid both of them by a lot compared and in Riveria's case, want him to take a pay cut even though he's still productive but is old.

Stupid move by management to make it public since they are trying as hard as possible to make it seem like Jeter is the bad guy and lessen public backlash should Jeter leave.
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Interesting how the Steinbrenners called Jeter this generation's Babe Ruth. Ruth retired after playing for the Braves.
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Maybe we should all send food stamps to Jeter
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D-Backs aquire Zach Duke from the Pirates for a PTBNL.

Wasn't his best season. Maybe a change of venue will do.
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The Orioles are stupid enough to throw huge piles of money at Jeter. Someone wrote a column in the Baltimore Sun about why they should do it. You watch..
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Wasn't his best season. Maybe a change of venue will do.
He's going to get crushed at Chase Field. Mark my words.

Also, Mariano is worth what he's asking for (I heard 2 years 36 mil) and Jeter is not.
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yea, Mariano I'm fine with. It's the Jeter thing that's ridiculous. And I understand it's just his agent trying to get as much as he can. Unfortunately, it's how it works. I am pretty sure they'll come to an agreement though
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The media is blowing this way out of proportion. Jeter will not play anywhere else.
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I must Jeter going to The Red Sox would be hilarious.
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Jeter wants 6 years 150 Million according to the Sporting News
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He's going to get crushed at Chase Field. Mark my words.

Also, Mariano is worth what he's asking for (I heard 2 years 36 mil) and Jeter is not.
Ok, I know that Rivera was one of the best closers but he's clearly not as dominant as he was even a couple years ago..but..how is a guy thats 4 years older than Jeter and might play the equivalent of 6 games total in IP (IP declining down to 60 in 2010) worth $18 million and Jeter isn't worth $25 million as an everyday player even with his declining offensive skills.
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Ain't happening.
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Twins win the Tsuyoshi Nishioka sweepstakes with a $5.3 mil. bid.

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Ok, I know that Rivera was one of the best closers but he's clearly not as dominant as he was even a couple years ago..but..how is a guy thats 4 years older than Jeter and might play the equivalent of 6 games total in IP (IP declining down to 60 in 2010) worth $18 million and Jeter isn't worth $25 million as an everyday player even with his declining offensive skills.
Rivera hasn't really shown any signs of decline yet, his last 3 years have been some of the best of his career. And he's still one of if not the best closer in baseball still.

His highest ERA in the past 3 years was 1.80 and his highest WHIP was .90.

While I do agree that no closer in baseball, no matter how dominant is worth 18M, he has a much better case than Jeter to be the highest paid player at his position. Even though the Yankees would still be making Jeter the highest paid SS with their 15M offer.

Rivera's WAR last year was 3.0, Jeter's was 1.3. So even though Mariano only pitched 60 innings, he was more valuable than Jeter playing every day. Thats how terrible Jeter was.

Another thing is that other teams would probably pay Mariano decent money to sign him. Not 18M, but not terribly far off from that. Jeter isn't getting close to 15M (the Yanks offer), nevermind the 25M he's seeking.
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Ok, I'm totally on the Yankees' side about Jeter now.
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Dodgers sign Jon Garland to a 1-year, $5 mil. deal.

Kershaw, Kuroda, Billingsley, Lilly, and Garland. That's a solid rotation Donnie Baseball gets to work with.
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Kershaw, Kuroda, Billingsley, Lilly, and Garland. That's a solid rotation Donnie Baseball gets to work with.
They gotta do something about that offense, though.
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Starting to like our rotation, but yeah. We need some offense. Bullpen help too, Broxton has been TERRIBLE. Would love to get Beltre back.
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Old 11-27-2010, 02:17 PM   #270
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Anyone else find it ironic that a guy who's won the gold glove last year in the toughest position, a guy who's fans defended his selection fervently, that boasted he'd won it 5 times since 2004 are now questioning his declining defensive skills as one of the main raesons as to why not to sign him for such a huge amount of money or years.

Talking about Jeter and Yankee fans, btw
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Hope he doesnt tear his asshole
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Jeter getting overpayed at 3 years 45 million, sad thing is I don't see who the replacement would be if he left. Nunez? ugh.
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I still don't see Jeter playing anywhere else. I believe even HE doesn't want to play in another team, he's just trying to leverage himself against the Yanks in this contractual dispute, yet no other team seems to want to offer him anything, perhaps because they know he'll just use their offer to get more money with the Yankees.
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Javier Vazquez to join the Marlins, pending a physical. One-year deal, $6-7 mil.
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Old 11-28-2010, 08:34 PM   #275
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You can have him.
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Old 11-28-2010, 08:55 PM   #276
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The Red Sox should seriously offer 3 years for 51 million for Derek Jeter. Especially if Beltre goes somewhere. What's the worse that can happen?

Having Jeter has a 3b wouldn't be that bad, and thats the worst case scenerio.
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Old 11-28-2010, 09:06 PM   #277
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The Red Sox should seriously offer 3 years for 51 million for Derek Jeter. Especially if Beltre goes somewhere. What's the worse that can happen?

Having Jeter has a 3b wouldn't be that bad, and thats the worst case scenerio.
That could be a real possibility based on if Red Sox don't get Dunn or another 1B to let Youkilis move to 3B.

If Rivera was shrewd enough, he could even leverage the Red Sox need for an established closer as a reason for more money or a better deal from the Yankees.
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The Red sox have to offer Jeter something just to scare The Yankees a little.
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lol I'm not a Marlins fan, just saw no one else posted it.

Not a big fan of Vazquez either, but I think he'll do better there.
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