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Old 02-21-2013, 03:45 AM   #241
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It's more their PC output, although they have pretty much run Assassins Creed into the ground since Revelations. That's kind of the worry I have about Watch Dogs, showing all these mechanics and looking great in a set piece, but actually doing that in game will be very different. Much like the reveals of Assassins Creed and the original coming out.

Far Cry 3 was surprisingly ace. I need to finish that up at some point.
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:47 AM   #242
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Yes you do. It just gets better and I really liked the ending.

Also, patch on the way that allows you to repopulate outposts, which is awesome.
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What I got out of it is that I don't like Sony's first party stuff still. Infamous and Killzone looked pretty, but giant mehs.

Deep Down and Watchdogs looked nice, but they won't be exclusive and both require Capcom and Ubi to not fuck themselves.
Sony's first party material is pretty mediocre. However, at least they have a first party setup, as opposed to like two titles.

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Didn't see it, but judging from comments here, it sounds like not a whole lot happened.
What I took away from it is that the "most powerful gaming device of all time" will have the same RAM as my two year old PC and its four year old motherboard.
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They've gotten pretentious in my view, which stings because I love Splinter Cell and Rainbow Six.
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I got to the bit where I was about to get to the next island, but died after defending that dude for what seemed like ages so it put me off.

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The blonde stoner kid?

Yeah I had problems with that too. No idea why that part is so hard. It gets really fun again after that, so stick with it.

Personally, my favorite part is taking down outposts.
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Nah, I saved him fine. That CIA spy with the plane who's going to "drop me off". Just loads of bastards coming from the jungle.

But yeah, outposts rule. I've got all of them done from the first island and I think I've got most of the craftable upgrades.
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I felt like the conference was trying to sell me a Vita and Move controller. No!
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Capcom stole the show. Also that clay sculpting was pretty cool... But if I wanted to sculpt i'd just use Zbrush...
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The used game ban rumors were squashed by the boss of SCE in an interview with Eurogamer.

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"Yes. That's the general expectation by consumers… They purchase physical form, they want to use it everywhere, right? So that's my expectation… So, used games can play on PS4.”
Another person also stated the patent that caused the whole concern wasn't meant to ever be used in the PS4 and is meant for something else (Blu-Ray players?).
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I don't know what a ham and egger is.
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1. ham and egger 282 up, 58 down

A common person who might be seen eating ham and eggs. Not posessing many spectacular qualities. Your 'average joe'.
Some ham and egger came into my work today.
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2. ham and egger 126 up, 80 down

A prize fighter whose modest skills won't let him/her win large purses. So, their manager (who gets a percentage of purses won) will never be able to afford to eat better than ham & eggs. (No steaks!)
That ham and egger! He got KO'd in the second by some stumblebum.
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3. ham and egger 49 up, 29 down

your average joe schmoe, 9 to 5, daily grind nobody. a sucker. someone without any side hustles.
look at that suit and tie wearing ham and egger.
looser nobody side hustle average joe john
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4. ham and egger 32 up, 38 down

An amateur. Primarily and athlete, posing as a professional, but not quite up to that caliber. It's a slurred, "code" name for Amateur. Hence: Am - A - Teur = Ham -And - Egger.
1940's Ringside Announcer: "This guy's just a hamneggr (ham and egger)."
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Oh. Thought it was some way of calling us niggers. I didn't like that.
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Like I would do something like that. Don't be so bloody Korean about it.
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Now you're calling me a chink?

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Do you know what that means?

Because I don't.
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Here comes the first real bad news about the PS4 and unlike the no BC with PS3 games, this one involves PSN itself.

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Sony has confirmed that purchases made on the PlayStation 3 will not carry over to the PlayStation 4 once it launches.

Shuhei Yoshida revealed that the insides of the PlayStation 4 are just too different to the PlayStation 3 to support any sort of crossover, and also that Sony wishes to avoid using up the system’s power with emulation software.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/...playstation-4/

According to Destructoid, Sony stats they have the ability to honor those purchases through their cloud service but won't guarantee it nor guarantee all the games that was on PSN for PS3 will show up on PS4.
http://www.destructoid.com/psn-purch...--246229.phtml


For comparisons with Nintendo, the 3DS didn't allow everything from DSiware to be transferable at launch but the wait wasn't too long (a month?) while everything from the Wii was transferable but only could be playable within the "virtual Wii" and not as part of the Wii U.
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Old 02-22-2013, 04:56 PM   #260
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Sony has another plan to deal with the lack of backwards compatibility and it involves continuing the HD re-release and remake series but this time including PS3 games.

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That's not BC it's just re-selling the games. I don't think that's what people wanted and why the fuck is nobody grilling them on that?
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The developer for The Witness clarifies some info regarding its timed exclusive status as it only towards console versions. The PC and iOS version is planned to be released the same day as the PS4 version.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/...alongside-ps4/


Sony once again confirms DualShock 3 controllers are not compatible at all with the PS4 even though they share the same Bluetooth capabilities as the PS4 controller. Once cloud-based PS3 games start arriving for the PS4, only the DualShock 4 controller and PS Move can be used.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/...3-controllers/


Sony also revealed more specs that were either ignored or briefly stated during the announcement show. According to other places, the "Jaguar" is the slowest of the major core type processors and had to be used for cost reasons (other ones range in the $1000 to $2000 to be used).

The actual HDD size and number of USB ports might still be undecided although its rumored a 500 GB HDD would be used initially.
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GPU: 1.84 TFLOPS, AMD Radeon-based graphics engine
Memory: 8GB GDDR5
6X Blu-Ray Drive, 8X DVD
Built-in HDD
HDMI and Analog-AV
USB 3.0
Gigabit Ethernet port, 802.11 B/G/N built-in WiFi. Plus Support for Bluetooth 2.1
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/...ation-4-specs/


Sony also announced PS4 game prices will not top $60 and no need to worry about a new "HD" tax similar to the current gen when it arrived.
http://www.destructoid.com/playstati...0-246386.phtml
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Why is the controllers a big deal? People think mapping a PS4 controller for PS3 games would be hard? It's 99% same ffs.
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I got my PS3 in 2008 but I'll end up getting PS4, just not right away.
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:05 PM   #265
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That's not BC it's just re-selling the games. I don't think that's what people wanted and why the fuck is nobody grilling them on that?
Because I accepted 6 years ago that BC wasn't going to be likely with the PS4
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Because I accepted 6 years ago that BC wasn't going to be likely with the PS4
Also because it's optional and we already expect greed from a company.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:52 AM   #267
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That's not BC it's just re-selling the games. I don't think that's what people wanted and why the fuck is nobody grilling them on that?
It is just re-selling games, but wasn't that what was advertised on the tin?

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Because I accepted 6 years ago that BC wasn't going to be likely with the PS4
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Also because it's optional and we already expect greed from a company.
Also, because fewer people care about backwards compatibility than seems to be the common wisdom.
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If you accept backwards compatibility now, then what happens when you have to release the PS5 which combines the PS1 emulation, the PS2 emotion engine, the PS3 cell and the PS4's architecture? what about the PS6? Their job is to make the system that makes the most sense now.
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If you accept backwards compatibility now, then what happens when you have to release the PS5 which combines the PS1 emulation, the PS2 emotion engine, the PS3 cell and the PS4's architecture? what about the PS6? Their job is to make the system that makes the most sense now.
The BC problem is that they used it as a MAJOR selling point to get people to buy a PS2.

There, the base question was "Why would I update to a PS2 when I already have a perfectly good Playstation? Oh, I can play the shit I already got? Cool!" The true boon in that release was the out-of-the-box DVD playing ability, since it was like getting a "free" DVD player, since at the time, they were about as much as just getting a PS2, which could then also play all your old Playstation games AND any new ones. Instant gold.

Sony tried to make lightning strike twice with PS3, pimping it instead as a "free" Blu-Ray from jump... but this wasn't the same era as the DVD boom. Most people aren't as hardcore about "the best picture". In this case, it was more "DVD works fine. But it might be worth my while if I can play all my PS2 games that I already own..." That somehow turned out to be a fiasco for Sony, who somehow decided that a major selling point for their previous system could somehow just be swept under the rug for the current one. Who cares if it can play PS1 games? Most people getting a PS3 are upgrading from a PS2. Can't afford them the same luxury again, huh?

The "resell in HD" is lazy and greedy. Having the OPTION to buy something you already may own again is a nice feature, and if it is good enough/loved enough, it is possibly worth doing (hell, I OWN Symphony of the Night for PS1 and still downloaded it on my XBOX) but making it MANDITORY is just stupid. Especially from the company that set the standard in making home consoles backwards compatable. Pretty sure people don't like being FORCED to buy something more than once... especially if they didn't lose it or have it stolen.


Nintendo actually got this one right with their handhelds... pretty much every generation had a stop-gap for the previous gen cart and the newer one, and only did away with them on re-designs of the same system later in its cycle. Game Boy Color could play original GB titles, the Advance could play GBC (and by extention, original carts) until the relase of the Advance SP, the DS did away with the older Game Boy playability, but kept the Advance for awhile. Pretty sure they continued this trend with the DSi and the 3DS, but I still use my original tank DS/Advance Wars Dual Strike combo to accomplish any time passing needed). They lead in with people being able to use the older stuff, then get people addicted to the new. Then, they tie THAT format to the newest system, and then get people on the new format. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

Sony, on the other hand, seems content with the strategy of "LOOK HOW POWERFUL OUR NEW (X) IS!!!" ... and ignore anyone who ever had anything for their previous forray. It almost smacks of "Oh, hey, you like our PS3? Well fuck you, we're on PS4 now. Catch up." Meanwhile, average Joe Q. Consumer (who isn't to be confused with Mr. Early Adopter) is weighing what they already have and spent on his game library against an upgrade. If you can't play what you already own from jump, and Sony doesn't subsidize that with a true first party must-have killer app, that guy is going to wait for a system price drop. And that guy is a larger market than the one who just has to be the first kid on his block to own the next hot thing.

Sony doesn't NEED to emulate PS1 shit. Too old. PS2 is even questionable at this point... but PS3 would make sense. You're asking people to fork over launch price money because a couple of cool looking vids and supposedly better controller. What about people who have "yellow lighted" systems (hardware failure is still a thing, even after the slim redesign). What about people who don't have Bill Gates money? Would be nice just to woo them to the new console instead of asking them to either buy another PS3 or just start all over again on a PS4.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:50 AM   #275
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Having the OPTION to buy something you already may own again is a nice feature, and if it is good enough/loved enough, it is possibly worth doing (hell, I OWN Symphony of the Night for PS1 and still downloaded it on my XBOX) but making it MANDITORY is just stupid.
I don't know what you mean here. Do you know what the word mandatory means. It means you literally must do it. How is someone being forced to rebuy something? You couldn't play your PS1 SotN on the Xbox, so are you saying you were FORCED to pay for it to play it on the Xbox?

Your "Average Joe Consumer" will have traded in most of his PS3 games, and will have gotten bored of the other ones, or won't be playing the old CoD because people will be playing the new CoD.

It's not the average joe that cares about backwards compatibility, it's the geek who has to ferry their precious game collection. I've been there and it was a constant source of anxiety. Oh, my wife will probably be dead by 2060 but as long as I don't have to spend £3 to rebuy Bishi Bashi Special it will all be okay. It's funny how you're ready to abandon PS1 and PS2 stuff now, aren't you confirming that it's all disposable anyway? What makes the PS3 stuff any more valuable.

Also I lose you again with your last sentence of "Asking them to buy another PS3", if they've had a hardware failure? If they've had a hardware failure out of warranty, how is that different to any other product in the history of mankind? Bill Gates money, you're having a laugh. Consoles aren't that expensive. Even the PS3 wasn't as expensive as it seemed at the time. The 6+ years of Xbox Live Gold add up but none of them break the bank.

The emphasis on multiplayer this generation makes the games more disposable than ever. Some people may have been worried about their PS1 games at the time, but that's a combination of things.

Sony is financially in the shit and adding PS3 hardware to the PS4 would be expensive and obtrusive as fuck. PS are ridiculously generous with their PSN network and you may find that it's easier to play PS3 stuff than you think.

I'm at the point now where I start to think the sane thing for an individual to do is let go of stuff. Hoarding product makes us ill. The desire to have the physical object makes people do strange things.
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Wouldn't the games still work, just no multiplayer servers?
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Wouldn't the games still work, just no multiplayer servers?
You wouldn't be able to reobtain them if the hard drive goes. If you've got disc games, you can just replace the disc/console by buying a new one, but if then console goes, you wouldn't be able to login and re-download the games.
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Xbox owners may have a similar fate, but the hope is there will be new stuff to keep us busy. If I can't play certain 360 games on the next Xbox I'll just keep an old one around and healthy.
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