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Old 08-18-2022, 06:48 PM   #241
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All the news sites reporting the Hangman part of the promo was unplanned and no one expected it and there is real life heat between Punk and Adam Page

Also said Punk was not advertised ahead of the show because they didn't know if he would show up and he apparently thinks he isn't being treated fairly in AEW.
If Punk is going to legit shoot on a guy, maybe don't pick a guy who is like 12 years younger and has 50 pounds of muscle on you. Also don't do it when everybody in the entire world could beat you up
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Old 08-18-2022, 06:50 PM   #242
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Another work.

You used to be able to tell if something was a work or not by whether or not it was designed to make money. Now you’ve just got people faking shit for no reason other than “Ha! It wasn’t real!”

There’s been no TV lead-up to Punk developing an overbearing ego or being an enemy of the company. In fact, it supports MJF’s accusations of him, which are also supposed to be against the company. But in modern wrestling, that could all be absolutely intentional even though none of it makes any sense.
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Old 08-18-2022, 06:51 PM   #243
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No one in AEW would beat anyone up.
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Old 08-18-2022, 06:52 PM   #244
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The wheels were always going to fall off the CM Punk experiment somehow. Whether it was him getting sideways with people for just reasons, unjust reasons, becoming disenchanted or taking a bump wrong — he was probably going to get upset about something.
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Old 08-18-2022, 06:59 PM   #245
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Old 08-18-2022, 07:01 PM   #246
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Apparently Punk's beef with Adam Page stems from a promo months ago where Page called him an interloper or something like that and Punk was mad he didn't get to approve it beforehand so this was his 'receipt' to Adam Page
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Apparently Punk's beef with Adam Page stems from a promo months ago where Page called him an interloper or something like that and Punk was mad he didn't get to approve it beforehand so this was his 'receipt' to Adam Page
Page’s promos are toothless and have arcane meaning at best. No wonder no one watches this shit.
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Old 08-18-2022, 08:26 PM   #249
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If I were Punk, I’d be more annoyed at putting over a guy and then the company running him off almost immediately. I’d be more annoyed that I took a severe beating from another guy to put him over as a force of nature, the guy I put over put him over, then he’s stuck in silly mid-card comedy angles. I’d be more pissed that the best tag team workers in the company are constantly forced to the margins by office politics. I’d be frustrated that guys I could work main event programs with are distracted with terrible stories and given mid-card belts no one cares about to anchor them.

But that’s just me.
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Man, AEW really sucks.
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Old 08-18-2022, 08:56 PM   #251
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Yeah these AEW "homegrown" guys are probably not loving the polished WWE guys coming in and "taking" their spots. lol and even then, most of the great WWE guys are being wasted.

Tony's biggest problem is he can't focus--which I understand, his roster is too fucking big.
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Old 08-18-2022, 09:04 PM   #252
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That said, having a little backstage heat and competitiveness is not necessarily bad.
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Yeah these AEW "homegrown" guys are probably not loving the polished WWE guys coming in and "taking" their spots. lol and even then, most of the great WWE guys are being wasted.

Tony's biggest problem is he can't focus--which I understand, his roster is too fucking big.
Having a giant roster is a symptom of the problem and not the cause of it.

Having competition can be a driving force, but you need a booker who is going to be able to discern between what is good and what is bad. Tony is not that guy. He thinks his shit doesn’t stink.
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He's also having to book in a way that makes his 100 piece puzzle fit each week. Too many pieces to keep up with, too many stories to see through. Keep it simple, stupid.
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He’s also not very bright. The creative is bad and he has not learnt how to sort through his stuff.
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Old 08-19-2022, 12:01 PM   #256
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Punk's last three feuds (Eddie, MJF, Page) all saw them flat out saying he's a selfish dickhead who doesn't actually want to be in AEW, wants to step over everyone and who basically has become the kind of personality that pushed him away from the business to begin with.

Now he cuts a clearly heel promo leaning into this stuff and everyone's surprised or acting like it's a big 'ol shoot?

Something isn't passing the smell test for me.
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Lol at the idea the punk isn’t treated fairly. I like punk, but that’s true than god damn he really is a toxic, miserable asshole.
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Punk's last three feuds (Eddie, MJF, Page) all saw them flat out saying he's a selfish dickhead who doesn't actually want to be in AEW, wants to step over everyone and who basically has become the kind of personality that pushed him away from the business to begin with.

Now he cuts a clearly heel promo leaning into this stuff and everyone's surprised or acting like it's a big 'ol shoot?

Something isn't passing the smell test for me.
This is another case where the work makes less sense than the shoot. Why not present Punk as selfish on the air if this is the case? Where’s the money to be made off this arcane storytelling?
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So you’re saying “shades of grey” instead of a heel being a heel and a face being a face in 2022 is arcane storytelling. Interesting.
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They’re human beings talking and reacting to each other like human beings. Crazy concept.
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I want all parties involved to lose, because they all suck. In their own unique ways.

Also, I don't believe a god damned thing leaked through wrestling media. Much of the AEW stuff comes from the EVPs, based on history (folks are secretly happy about Cody leaving, anyone?).

So, I base my opinion on what I have actually seen and observed from the parties involved. So, it is a bunch of cringy edgelords on 1 side and a miserable, mediocre shithead on the other. So, to close this as it opens, I want all parties involved to lose.
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Wrestling Media Rules

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Critical of AEW: treat as hard fact
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No other options allowed. Sorry.
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Also, I don't believe a god damned thing leaked through wrestling media.
SRS generally seems to be the best of the bunch in terms of gathering sources and breaking stories. But even then, some of his reporting around the MJF stuff a few months ago didn't quite sit right, like the guy openly acknowledged that he texts with MJF fairly often and yet he has no more meaningful insight on what actually went on anyone else? I just came away with feeling like it was a purposeful withholding of information.

And now with all of the "leaks" coming out this week, SRS's reports are substantially more damning on Punk than anyone else. Nobody else has reported much more than "Punk went offscript" or "Punk and Page don't actually like each other".

Thing about SRS is he's repeatedly said he's not a journalist. Dude went onto Joey Janela's Spring Break this year portraying a heel version of himself. It's pretty clear to me that, if ever one of the dirt sheet guys were to try to get involved in an angle, it would be him. Not saying he is or isn't but it's reason enough to not believe everything you see from him.

Meltzer I don't doubt reports what he believes to be true, but I also don't think he'd possess the social awareness to even know if he was being worked.
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There are three types of wrestling reporters.

1. On Tiny's payroll
2. Wanting to get on Tiny's payroll
3. Hate Tiny
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Old 08-19-2022, 04:43 PM   #266
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There are three types of wrestling reporters.

1. On Tiny's payroll
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3. Hate Tiny
Why is this post somewhat logical?

Is someone GHOSTWRITING xrod’s posts!?!?!
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Old 08-19-2022, 04:50 PM   #267
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Old 08-19-2022, 09:35 PM   #268
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No one is on the money. I used to defend Dave as being someone that reports the hearsay he receives. I don’t care if journalists have biases. It’s just become insufferable to read/hear the constant spin to make one side look good and another side look bad, with smears and discreditation to anyone who doesn’t perceive things through the same lens.

More and more negative stories are coming out about AEW. This might be a sign that the appetite for news that isn’t licking the boot might be getting whet. When that happens, I’ll be more skeptical of that, since there’s a market for it. For a long time the market has been “WWE bad” and these guys are all trying to sell something.

I also don’t believe that talent talks to these guys as much as they used to. The dirt sheets used to be a way to get information in a guarded business out. Now all these idiots have social media. They don’t need a good relationship with any of them to get their side across.
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Old 08-20-2022, 04:16 PM   #269
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There’s lot of words in this thread that aren’t “Kenny Omega being back is great” you guys.
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Old 08-20-2022, 04:40 PM   #270
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Kenny Omega sucks.
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If you put stock in the ratings, he lost viewers too. Just saying.
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There’s lot of words in this thread that aren’t “Kenny Omega being back is great” you guys.
So good to have Kenny back! I’m really hoping his match was just a great sell job though coz he still looked pretty beat up.
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Old 08-20-2022, 07:50 PM   #273
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Omega’s going to take off the shirt and reveal he can still point and do tope con hilos! And no one will care.
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Old 08-20-2022, 08:38 PM   #274
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There’s lot of words in this thread that aren’t “Kenny Omega being back is great” you guys.
Happy to have him back. Hope he gets a big babyface push and a title program against Punk.
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Old 08-21-2022, 11:24 PM   #275
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I want all parties involved to lose, because they all suck. In their own unique ways.
I wanted to revisit this remark, because I do stand by it, but there has to be a bit of distinction. On one side, you have a delusional nitwit who has an overinflated opinion of themselves and has been humbled on more than one occasion, and hilariously so. The other side has CM Punk. If someone does in fact have to win, I would actually rather it be Punk. Because at least that way, the wrestling show may be something other than fuckery.
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Yeah these AEW "homegrown" guys are probably not loving the polished WWE guys coming in and "taking" their spots. lol and even then, most of the great WWE guys are being wasted.

Tony's biggest problem is he can't focus--which I understand, his roster is too fucking big.
Whether I agree or disagree with various AEW issues, one I don't understand is this "roster is too big" one.

They have precisely the same problem WWE has had forever on this front: they could accomidate more of said unused, languishing talent (such as it may be) if they STOPPED FOCUSING ON THE SAME 10 PEOPLE EVERY GODDAMN SHOW!

Objectively, guys like Punk, Jericho, Mox, Danielson, and Garcia don't have to be on TV every week. As much as Max Castor is getting over by flexing his pre-med Masters in Thuganomics, he dosen't need to be on TV all the time.

I say it's like WWE because that was in theory why they have two shows with 5 hours of cable TV time AND a brand split: it was supposed to breathe new life into parts of the roster that would otherwise be untapped. But what ended up happening? "Free agents" and champions appearing on both shows. Person X being in anywhere from 3-5 segments per show. One of the three or four established tag teams continuing a never ending feud.

Where AEW one-ups them is that they also blow through material that can and should last a few months, and instead, they burn up an angle in like three weeks, and in that three weeks, they've had barbed wire matches, blown up one another's cars, and one person kidnapped and/or mind raped somone who means something to someone. No time to let it breathe or even explain why. Just on to the next! Faster faster!!
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Omega’s going to take off the shirt and reveal he can still point and do tope con hilos! And no one will care.
What do you mean no one will care?! I mean, this is the guy who knows better than Harley fucking Race! He's over as a wrestling god, and-



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What do you mean no one will care?! I mean, this is the guy who knows better than Harley fucking Race! He's over as a wrestling god, and-



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