The Offical ECW on Sci-Fi Thread - June 13, 2006 - Page 7

**McLegend** · 06-14-2006, 11:51 AM

Sucks for DeAngelis and yeah train wreck would be a good way to describe it.

**Loose Cannon** · 06-14-2006, 12:10 PM

didn't catch it, but read the results and it seemed like a Raw show.

**PullMyFinger** · 06-14-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

didn't catch it, but read the results and it seemed like a Raw show.

Like PWInsider said, it was a train wreck.

**Jaded-Dragon** · 06-14-2006, 12:33 PM

I'm disgusted to say the least. How does one go from the awesome-ness of last years ONS, to this WWE watered down bullshit? Last nights show not only officially made me hate the new ECW, it made me not want to watch raw anymore out of shear spite towards Vince McMahon.

This years ONS was a joke, and that is including the main event. The Tazz (yes, that was not TAZ) Lawler match was a joke. I thought Taz said he had one left in him? That wasn't "ONE" that was 1/10th. All that hype (probably the best hyping of any match, worked-shoot wise) for a 15 second squash? If you can even call that a squash.

Angle vs Orton? Typical WWE style match, did you really think you could get away with doing rest holds in front of an ECW crowd? A real ECW crowd?

Sabu vs Mysterio, this match had me going, butit was too damn short. I don't mind the ending, but it should of been another 15 minutes into the match. This match was one of the few things that represented what ECW was about. Rey pulled out a few moves I wouldn't see on Smackdown and Sabu was in a homicidal state. It ended too fucking soon. At the very least, they could of gone to a 30 min time limit draw.

Edge and Foley vs Dreamer and Funk. This was what I expected, a tagmatch that degenerated into a hardcore brawl. I even expected Edge and Foley to win. As much as I hate Edge, they should of moved him and not Big Show into ECW.

FBI vs Tajiri and Super Crazy. I think the ref pissed me off more than anything. Tajiri came in to break up a pin fall and the ref was pushing him back and telling him to get back to his corner? That's not ECW!!! What the hell is that bull shit? At least the match itself was decent, although not very hardcore.

Mahoney vs Tanaka. A match I was very much looking forward to. Again, it was decent, but ended far too quickly. And with a single chair shot? I recall Tanaka taking 3 or 4 stiff chair shots from Mike Awesome lastyear. Not to mention an Awesome bomb through a table, and he still didn't stay down.

And finally, the main event. It was the crowd that made this match enjoyable, and that's it. It's a sad damn day when John fucking Cena does more hardcore moves in a match than RVD does. I don't think RVD should of squashed him, or completely dominated. It SHOULD of been a tough grueling match for both guys. That way RVD and Cena both come out looking good. Instead, we get RVD basically getting his ass beat the entire match, not doing anything he normally wouldn't do in WWE, and then not even winning cleanly. It was like saying RVD couldn't beat Cena on his own, because he was getting his ass handed to him the whole match until Edge put Cena through a table. There's always going to be that little asterisk next to that match. It pisses me off that RVD can have 40 minute marathon matches with Jerry Lynn, but he can't beat Cena by himself. Fuck that. It's like they were saying, "Well, you finally get your World Title reign Rob, but first... We decided it would be best if we kicked you in the nuts really hard".

And next we have the ECW debut on Sci-fi. I was expecting some sort redemption in the show after last nights horrid PPV, but again I was slapped in the face.

I'm not even going to address the fact that Cena got a bigger pop than RVD.

The Angle squash was BS. And not even the fact that he squashed Justin Credible, who I don't feel one way or the other about, but the fact that JC can no longer be taken seriously. It was UNNECESSARY for Angle to squash anybody. This is your first ECW show and you want to represent it by having Angle squash a former ECW champ? WTF!! Again, this was not ECW. ECW was about giving people oppurtunities that they may not get elsewhere. They could of used this platform to elevate JC, or any other ECW guy, and all they would have to do is give Angle a run for his money. We get it, Angle is a wrestling machine, how about showing me what an untamed Super Crazy can do against him?

The Zombie.... Ya know, one of the things I loved about ECW... They brung realism to wrestling. They despised gimmicks like the Boogeyman, The Undertaker, Ultimate Warrior, etc. And here we are today with a fucking Zombie going against The Sandman, and a god damned Vampire set to make his debut. Fuck that. In ECW wrestling was the forefront of everything. Not some stupid ass comic book gimmick that attracts kids. The gimmicks in ECW were always very subtle and realistic. Raven was that outcast, Taz was the bad ass, RVD was the cocky arogant prick, etc. This is just BS.

And to end the show, I'm encouraged to see Sabu vs Cena again.... Didn't I just see that? Haven't we already been over that Sabu is at his best we he is working with someone that compliments his style?

All in all, this entire fucking thing is stupid. I don't know how Paul or RVD can go through with this shit and still sleep at night. Was I expecting the old school ECW? Certainly not, but I definitely was not expecting this to be a third show for the WWE. A show that is only good to hype PPV's even more and bring dumbass gimmick characters into before they move them to RAW or Smackdown. I know that ECW is dead, but we've crossed that line of straight pissing on its legacy. I was just hoping for a show that Paul E. would be in charge of, where I didn't have to deal with stupid fucking gimmicks like the Spirit Squad, and I could just watch Wrestlers wrestle.

I give it a month before the SS shows up at ECW.

I'm not going to go over all the other things that need to be done, like the showings in smaller venues and such, those have all been said in this thread already. And I really don't think it's going to make a damn bit of difference.

**Pepsi Man** · 06-14-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaded-Dragon

I'm disgusted to say the least. How does one go from the awesome-ness of last years ONS, to this WWE watered down bullshit? Last nights show not only officially made me hate the new ECW, it made me not want to watch raw anymore out of shear spite towards Vince McMahon.

This years ONS was a joke, and that is including the main event. The Tazz (yes, that was not TAZ) Lawler match was a joke. I thought Taz said he had one left in him? That wasn't "ONE" that was 1/10th. All that hype (probably the best hyping of any match, worked-shoot wise) for a 15 second squash? If you can even call that a squash.

Angle vs Orton? Typical WWE style match, did you really think you could get away with doing rest holds in front of an ECW crowd? A real ECW crowd?

Sabu vs Mysterio, this match had me going, butit was too damn short. I don't mind the ending, but it should of been another 15 minutes into the match. This match was one of the few things that represented what ECW was about. Rey pulled out a few moves I wouldn't see on Smackdown and Sabu was in a homicidal state. It ended too fucking soon. At the very least, they could of gone to a 30 min time limit draw.

Edge and Foley vs Dreamer and Funk. This was what I expected, a tagmatch that degenerated into a hardcore brawl. I even expected Edge and Foley to win. As much as I hate Edge, they should of moved him and not Big Show into ECW.

FBI vs Tajiri and Super Crazy. I think the ref pissed me off more than anything. Tajiri came in to break up a pin fall and the ref was pushing him back and telling him to get back to his corner? That's not ECW!!! What the hell is that bull shit? At least the match itself was decent, although not very hardcore.

Mahoney vs Tanaka. A match I was very much looking forward to. Again, it was decent, but ended far too quickly. And with a single chair shot? I recall Tanaka taking 3 or 4 stiff chair shots from Mike Awesome lastyear. Not to mention an Awesome bomb through a table, and he still didn't stay down.

And finally, the main event. It was the crowd that made this match enjoyable, and that's it. It's a sad damn day when John fucking Cena does more hardcore moves in a match than RVD does. I don't think RVD should of squashed him, or completely dominated. It SHOULD of been a tough grueling match for both guys. That way RVD and Cena both come out looking good. Instead, we get RVD basically getting his ass beat the entire match, not doing anything he normally wouldn't do in WWE, and then not even winning cleanly. It was like saying RVD couldn't beat Cena on his own, because he was getting his ass handed to him the whole match until Edge put Cena through a table. There's always going to be that little asterisk next to that match. It pisses me off that RVD can have 40 minute marathon matches with Jerry Lynn, but he can't beat Cena by himself. Fuck that. It's like they were saying, "Well, you finally get your World Title reign Rob, but first... We decided it would be best if we kicked you in the nuts really hard".

And next we have the ECW debut on Sci-fi. I was expecting some sort redemption in the show after last nights horrid PPV, but again I was slapped in the face.

I'm not even going to address the fact that Cena got a bigger pop than RVD.

The Angle squash was BS. And not even the fact that he squashed Justin Credible, who I don't feel one way or the other about, but the fact that JC can no longer be taken seriously. It was UNNECESSARY for Angle to squash anybody. This is your first ECW show and you want to represent it by having Angle squash a former ECW champ? WTF!! Again, this was not ECW. ECW was about giving people oppurtunities that they may not get elsewhere. They could of used this platform to elevate JC, or any other ECW guy, and all they would have to do is give Angle a run for his money. We get it, Angle is a wrestling machine, how about showing me what an untamed Super Crazy can do against him?

The Zombie.... Ya know, one of the things I loved about ECW... They brung realism to wrestling. They despised gimmicks like the Boogeyman, The Undertaker, Ultimate Warrior, etc. And here we are today with a fucking Zombie going against The Sandman, and a god damned Vampire set to make his debut. Fuck that. In ECW wrestling was the forefront of everything. Not some stupid ass comic book gimmick that attracts kids. The gimmicks in ECW were always very subtle and realistic. Raven was that outcast, Taz was the bad ass, RVD was the cocky arogant prick, etc. This is just BS.

And to end the show, I'm encouraged to see Sabu vs Cena again.... Didn't I just see that? Haven't we already been over that Sabu is at his best we he is working with someone that compliments his style?

All in all, this entire fucking thing is stupid. I don't know how Paul or RVD can go through with this shit and still sleep at night. Was I expecting the old school ECW? Certainly not, but I definitely was not expecting this to be a third show for the WWE. A show that is only good to hype PPV's even more and bring dumbass gimmick characters into before they move them to RAW or Smackdown. I know that ECW is dead, but we've crossed that line of straight pissing on its legacy. I was just hoping for a show that Paul E. would be in charge of, where I didn't have to deal with stupid fucking gimmicks like the Spirit Squad, and I could just watch Wrestlers wrestle.

I give it a month before the SS shows up at ECW.

I'm not going to go over all the other things that need to be done, like the showings in smaller venues and such, those have all been said in this thread already. And I really don't think it's going to make a damn bit of difference.

As far as gimmicks, ECW did have its share of jokes of wrestlers. I thought the Zombie was funny, personally, and if they had a better overall show, I wouldn't have minded that "match" at all.

**PullMyFinger** · 06-14-2006, 01:28 PM

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The original plan last night was to have Sandman come out and cane an alien, but Sci-Fi was fearful that this may turn away their (sci-fi) fanbase by having Sandman beat up on an alien, so a zombie was inserted instead.

PWInsider.com

**Innovator** · 06-14-2006, 01:29 PM

The zombie was a rib on Sci Fi, cause the network wanted more supernatural characters....they didn't agree to Sandman caning an Alien

**Pepsi Man** · 06-14-2006, 01:43 PM

They shouldn't get THAT much input on what goes on. That's fucking ridiculous.

**Corkscrewed** · 06-14-2006, 01:46 PM

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The original plan last night was to have Sandman come out and cane an alien, but Sci-Fi was fearful that this may turn away their (sci-fi) fanbase by having Sandman beat up on an alien, so a zombie was inserted instead.

PWInsider.com

ROFLMAO

I thought it was obvious the zombie and vampire were ribs at the Sci Fi channel and its fans.

Poor Heyman, though. His vision has been squashed by one show. Maybe one of these days, Vince will let Heyman run his show his way. It's really stupid, really. Vince is afraid RAW will be overshadowed, but rather than improve RAW, he makes everything else worse.

What kind of logic is that?? Besides lazy logic, that is.

**PullMyFinger** · 06-14-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkscrewed

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The original plan last night was to have Sandman come out and cane an alien, but Sci-Fi was fearful that this may turn away their (sci-fi) fanbase by having Sandman beat up on an alien, so a zombie was inserted instead.

PWInsider.com

ROFLMAO

I thought it was obvious the zombie and vampire were ribs at the Sci Fi channel and its fans.

Poor Heyman, though. His vision has been squashed by one show. Maybe one of these days, Vince will let Heyman run his show his way. It's really stupid, really. Vince is afraid RAW will be overshadowed, but rather than improve RAW, he makes everything else worse.

What kind of logic is that?? Besides lazy logic, that is.

lol Even if Heyman gets control and the ECW show gets better...the damage is done. I'm sure a lot of people who turned on the tube and saw that last night though, 'WTF?'

This is just like that shitfest known as the XFL. It was honestly, by far, the worst wrestling show I can ever remember. TNA, WWE 2002, WCW2000, etc. all looked FAR better than that.

**loopydate** · 06-14-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PullMyFinger

lol Even if Heyman gets control and the ECW show gets better...the damage is done.

Yes, because anyone who is ever going to watch ECW was watching last night.

Seriously, as bad as it was last night (and it was pretty damn bad), it's not like this is the end of the brand. New people may tune in six weeks down the line thinking "Hey, I didn't know there was wrestling on Tuesday nights" and have no idea how shitty the premiere was. If they improve the product, then people will watch again.

**Arnold HamNegger** · 06-14-2006, 05:26 PM

Did anyone else find it extremely odd that RVD didn't do some type of arial move over the top rope onto Edge and Cena on the floor last night? Combine that with the lack of hardcore moves in his arsenal at ONS, it's possible (Captain Obvious here) that he is still having knee complications or that WWE is limiting his move set to avoid him reinjuring himself. Especially if he's playing such a major role in the launch of the new ECW as WWE/ECW champion. It's like they are using RVD's name and reputation to carry him through this angle rather than letting him revert back to his old style. Sure, the diehard ECW crowd may have let it fly because he won the championship, but if he continues to perform in that true ECW environment at future tapings and is the watered down WWE version of RVD...fans are gonna possibly get vocal about it.

**Mr. Nerfect** · 06-14-2006, 06:03 PM

Booking Kurt Angle vs. Justin Credible should have been easy. Angle dominates in the early going, even going as far as to get some near pins on Credible, and eventually gets the Ankle Lock on JC. The former ECW Champ crawls through the ropes, though, and gets to the floor as Angle poses thinking he has the match won. Justin Credible gets a kendo stick, however, re-enters the ring and lets Angle have it. Eventually Angle disarms Credible and puts him in the Anchor Lock and gets the former Champ to tap. Make Angle work for it.

The Sandman vs. The Zombie would have been OK. It would have been even better if The Zombie was wearing a WWE shirt, though. I lost all interest in The Sandman when he didn't have his theme music, though.

Kelly should have just fucked Paul Heyman for a job or something. Having random hot chicks around is fine, but don't give them so much time. Introduce her as a character, then have her appear as a valet for some guy.

I can understand the Battle Royal, but they should have made it bigger than what it was. Make it #1 Contender for the ECW Championship or something, then have John Cena challenge for the title shot at Vengeance. Guys like Nova and Johnny Swinger could have been in this as well. Maybe throw in some WWE guys receiving an ECW tryout? Matt Hardy, Brent Albright (I think he would be accepted if he used his real name), Rob Conway without his stupid music, etc. Having such a small Battle Royal leaves it open to error.

I would have booked the first show something like this:

-Paul Heyman opens the show and announces RVD the new ECW Champion. RVD does some crazy shit to Edge in the crowd.

-Big Show beats Big Guido with the Chokeslam. This would be a quick match, with Guido only getting some offence in due to Little Guido, Tony Mamaluke and Trinity sacrificing themselves for The FBI cause.

-Danny Doring & Roadkill give a promo as ECW Tag Team Champions, and challenge The FBI to a six-man tag team match the next week, with Big Show as the Champions' partner.

-Kurt Angle gives an open challenge, which is answered by Balls Mahoney. The two wrestle for a bit, with Angle getting the advantage. Mahoney cracks a chair over Angle's head to get control of the match. John Cena runs in and beats on Mahoney, but Stevie Richards and Justin Credible run out and beat-down Cena. Angle hits Mahoney with the Angle Slam to pick up the pinfall win.

-Mahoney challenges John Cena to a match at Vengeance. John Cena says he will accept, if it is under WWE rules.

-Paul Heyman announces tha a tournament will be held to decide the new ECW Television Champion since Rhino is happy with his new job as a retail assistant. Kelly walks into Paul Heyman's office and says she wants to be in ECW and will do anything for a job. Heyman makes some kind of crude joke.

-In a Television Tournament Match, C.W. Anderson defeats Al Snow with an Anderson Spinebuster.

-The following week has Danny Doring, Roadkill & Big Show vs. The FBI confirmed, as well as the second ECW TV Title Tournament Match. The main event of the first show wouldn't be epic, but it would be a pretty decent wrestling match, which would allow Styles and Tazz to hype confirmed appearances for the next week's show, plus it could put over the important of ECW's secondary title. Where the fuck is C.W. Anderson, anyway?

**redoneja** · 06-14-2006, 02:17 PM

The Vampire is most likely going to be part of the new vampire stable in ECW, and not a joke wrestler in the way of TEH ZOMBIE.

**Triple A** · 06-14-2006, 02:51 PM

That was the worst fucking shit I have ever seen in my entire life. Disgusting.

**Corkscrewed** · 06-14-2006, 03:01 PM

Shoulda done play by play. Woulda been entertaining.

**Triple A** · 06-14-2006, 03:04 PM

I was actually going to start doing an ECW TV report each week for the show but wow.

What the fuck was with that retarded striptease shit? What was the point of that?!!!!!!!!! FUCK SO ANGRY.

**6to1** · 06-14-2006, 03:05 PM

yea trips i have seen better indy shows on tv, i bet paul wishes he went to tna now he would have more control over there.

**Arnold HamNegger** · 06-14-2006, 03:49 PM

Wow, just WOW. I can't remember looking so forward to something and being so disappointed.

To start the show, why not have an impromtu-ECW style match between Edge/Cena/RVD for the Title instead of that bullshit. Start out with a SOLID meaningful match. Sabu could have interfered, kicking Cena's ass and caused RVD to get the pinfall over Cena...thus setting up Cena/Sabu for Vengance and given it some meaning. That match could have been a solid 20-30 minutes and given ECW instant momentum and credibility. Have Angle destroy the Zombie in a squash match and have Sandman/Credible/Dreamer in a cane match or something.

Then if you want to make Show look like a monster ECW style, have the battle royal..but have it be a "Last Man Not Put Through a Table Wins" battle royal. That would have been a more ECW feel than that "Yard Tard" fest we had to endure. That just reeked of WWF "hardcore" bullshit.

And Kelly...jezus, where I do I begin with that. Vermaat could have unhooked a bra faster than that. Why not have Trinity come out and destroy her, thus introducing 2 ECW chicks at once and developing some kind of feud or story-line. That was just insulting. Served no purpose and was a waste of time.

With the limited roster that they have, they need to go back to the way old school ECW shows were scheduled. Develop some story lines and have 1-2 SOLID matches that made you want to tune in the following week.

But, alas it's going to be a lost cause if they are gonna insist on taping in front of a Smackdown/WWE audience. That's fucking pointless beyond words and has been touched on by most of you guys. Christ, why not just tape Smackdown at the ECW Arena Vince? Who in the hell thought that would possibly work? I mean, they just shot ONS two days ago...why not have the first ECW show from the same venue and keep the momentum they had?

This is like a horse that broke all four legs out of the gate.

**Innovator** · 06-14-2006, 03:48 PM

This show was like expecting a date with a really hot girl, but instead her boyfriend comes and kicks you straight in the balls

**Boondock Saint** · 06-14-2006, 03:59 PM

When people like Trips who don't watch wrestling anymore saw this, I doubt they'll be tuning in again. Fucking embarassment.

**McLegend** · 06-14-2006, 06:30 PM

The rating for this last night was a 2.8

**Juan** · 06-14-2006, 06:41 PM

IMO, it's kind of pathetic how some of you are dooming this show already after one episode. If you're a real ECW fan you'll wait it out and see where it's going before saying you're never gonna watch again, which you probably will either way.

**PullMyFinger** · 06-14-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HuracanRana

IMO, it's kind of pathetic how some of you are dooming this show already after one episode. If you're a real ECW fan you'll wait it out and see where it's going before saying you're never gonna watch again, which you probably will either way.

Debut episodes mean a lot.

People don't have a lot of patience...maybe some fans will, but the casual fan that tried it prob won't.

**PullMyFinger** · 06-14-2006, 06:44 PM

The rating came in at 2.8

**PullMyFinger** · 06-14-2006, 06:53 PM

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Writing change at WWE

David Lagana has been replaced as lead writer on Smackdown by Alex Greenfield. Lagana will move to being a writer on ECW.

Meltzer

**PullMyFinger** · 06-14-2006, 09:28 PM

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Heyman speaks on the success of Sci-Fi debut
June 14, 2006

A day after the successful world premiere of ECW on Sci-Fi, an enthusiastic Paul Heyman sat down with ECW.com to discuss the ramifications of the newly re-launched brands auspicious debut.

“Our first show has clearly sent a very strong message that there is now legitimate competition out there for both Friday Night SmackDown and Monday Night RAW. I think that now, everyone realizes that ECW is not just a dream, ECW is not something that may happen in the future, it’s here. It’s to be dealt with and it’s happening, and it’s been reborn and it’s on the map. There is no wondering what’s going to happen if ECW happens. ECW is happening now.”

ECW “happens” every Tuesday night, live at 10/9 CT and only on Sci-Fi.

WWE.com

**The Taker** · 06-14-2006, 10:41 PM

heyman used to have the ability to turn shit nito gold but that pile of shit is beyond hisability to even begin to work on

**Fox** · 06-14-2006, 09:36 PM

ECW "happens" to be a piece of shit brand that will not come back after the initial 12 week run on Sci-Fi.

Last night was MAKE IT or BREAK IT for ECW!!!!!!!!!

**rob11** · 06-14-2006, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Fox

ECW "happens" to be a piece of shit brand that will not come back after the initial 12 week run on Sci-Fi.

Last night was MAKE IT or BREAK IT for ECW!!!!!!!!!

Was last night make it or break it? Not yet. Was last night a major wakeup call to Heyman who according to PWI even knew how bad the show was. Either stick to just having 1 night stand and that's it, or actually bring back ECW, not WWECW. They are having ECW more as a stable but I do agree if they keep putting on these terrible shows, it will get cancelled and fast.

**Triple A** · 06-15-2006, 01:37 AM

The absolute biggest problem is that they tape in front of a fucking Smackdown crowd. It is not ECW without the ECW fans. They make like the entire show. The wrestlers all feed off the crowd. As long as it's in a WWE arena, it's gonna have a WWE atmosphere to it, not an ECW atmosphere.

Well, that is not the absolute biggest problem of the 99283298 but it's a big one.

**James Steele** · 06-15-2006, 01:48 AM

Here is the biggest problem with the new ECW:

06-15-2006, 01:52 AM

naw triple A it's the biggest problem.

**James Steele** · 06-15-2006, 01:54 AM

Vince needs to stand back from ECW.

**James Steele** · 06-15-2006, 01:57 AM

Also, this picture amuses me:

**Triple A** · 06-15-2006, 02:14 AM

Mad beady eyes.

**Lara Emily** · 06-15-2006, 03:05 AM

I can't belive they are using Bodies instead of the always awesome ECW theme what the fuck

**D Mac** · 06-15-2006, 03:19 AM

Yeah Trips that crowd sucked to high heaven.

**D Mac** · 06-15-2006, 03:19 AM

I loved ONS but this shit made me sick.

**Kalyx triaD** · 06-15-2006, 04:59 PM

New ECW=Joke (Elaboration)

ECW, the classic ECW, is 40% matches, 60% crowd interaction. Not blood, not angles that tried too hard to tell risky stories. It was Tanaka/Awesome trading the world title. RVD and Jerry Lynn having damn-near kung-fu battles for the TV title. Taz putting some punk to sleep. The crowd calling out a boring match, or applauding a well-timed spot. Finales where performers were executing finisher after finisher just to have a spot in the middle of the ring and pose! All that was ECW!

I'm glad I didn't fall for this new ECW like some dumb-ass fans whose pics ECW.com actually took the honor of posting on their site. I might have been insulted if I didn't see this coming. But I knew ONS 2 was the show to watch, with the first ONS being the true reunion show.

They're better off bringing back WCW.

06-14-2006, 12:33 PM	#4
Jaded-Dragon That Guy Posts: 420	I'm disgusted to say the least. How does one go from the awesome-ness of last years ONS, to this WWE watered down bullshit? Last nights show not only officially made me hate the new ECW, it made me not want to watch raw anymore out of shear spite towards Vince McMahon. This years ONS was a joke, and that is including the main event. The Tazz (yes, that was not TAZ) Lawler match was a joke. I thought Taz said he had one left in him? That wasn't "ONE" that was 1/10th. All that hype (probably the best hyping of any match, worked-shoot wise) for a 15 second squash? If you can even call that a squash. Angle vs Orton? Typical WWE style match, did you really think you could get away with doing rest holds in front of an ECW crowd? A real ECW crowd? Sabu vs Mysterio, this match had me going, butit was too damn short. I don't mind the ending, but it should of been another 15 minutes into the match. This match was one of the few things that represented what ECW was about. Rey pulled out a few moves I wouldn't see on Smackdown and Sabu was in a homicidal state. It ended too fucking soon. At the very least, they could of gone to a 30 min time limit draw. Edge and Foley vs Dreamer and Funk. This was what I expected, a tagmatch that degenerated into a hardcore brawl. I even expected Edge and Foley to win. As much as I hate Edge, they should of moved him and not Big Show into ECW. FBI vs Tajiri and Super Crazy. I think the ref pissed me off more than anything. Tajiri came in to break up a pin fall and the ref was pushing him back and telling him to get back to his corner? That's not ECW!!! What the hell is that bull shit? At least the match itself was decent, although not very hardcore. Mahoney vs Tanaka. A match I was very much looking forward to. Again, it was decent, but ended far too quickly. And with a single chair shot? I recall Tanaka taking 3 or 4 stiff chair shots from Mike Awesome lastyear. Not to mention an Awesome bomb through a table, and he still didn't stay down. And finally, the main event. It was the crowd that made this match enjoyable, and that's it. It's a sad damn day when John fucking Cena does more hardcore moves in a match than RVD does. I don't think RVD should of squashed him, or completely dominated. It SHOULD of been a tough grueling match for both guys. That way RVD and Cena both come out looking good. Instead, we get RVD basically getting his ass beat the entire match, not doing anything he normally wouldn't do in WWE, and then not even winning cleanly. It was like saying RVD couldn't beat Cena on his own, because he was getting his ass handed to him the whole match until Edge put Cena through a table. There's always going to be that little asterisk next to that match. It pisses me off that RVD can have 40 minute marathon matches with Jerry Lynn, but he can't beat Cena by himself. Fuck that. It's like they were saying, "Well, you finally get your World Title reign Rob, but first... We decided it would be best if we kicked you in the nuts really hard". And next we have the ECW debut on Sci-fi. I was expecting some sort redemption in the show after last nights horrid PPV, but again I was slapped in the face. I'm not even going to address the fact that Cena got a bigger pop than RVD. The Angle squash was BS. And not even the fact that he squashed Justin Credible, who I don't feel one way or the other about, but the fact that JC can no longer be taken seriously. It was UNNECESSARY for Angle to squash anybody. This is your first ECW show and you want to represent it by having Angle squash a former ECW champ? WTF!! Again, this was not ECW. ECW was about giving people oppurtunities that they may not get elsewhere. They could of used this platform to elevate JC, or any other ECW guy, and all they would have to do is give Angle a run for his money. We get it, Angle is a wrestling machine, how about showing me what an untamed Super Crazy can do against him? The Zombie.... Ya know, one of the things I loved about ECW... They brung realism to wrestling. They despised gimmicks like the Boogeyman, The Undertaker, Ultimate Warrior, etc. And here we are today with a fucking Zombie going against The Sandman, and a god damned Vampire set to make his debut. Fuck that. In ECW wrestling was the forefront of everything. Not some stupid ass comic book gimmick that attracts kids. The gimmicks in ECW were always very subtle and realistic. Raven was that outcast, Taz was the bad ass, RVD was the cocky arogant prick, etc. This is just BS. And to end the show, I'm encouraged to see Sabu vs Cena again.... Didn't I just see that? Haven't we already been over that Sabu is at his best we he is working with someone that compliments his style? All in all, this entire fucking thing is stupid. I don't know how Paul or RVD can go through with this shit and still sleep at night. Was I expecting the old school ECW? Certainly not, but I definitely was not expecting this to be a third show for the WWE. A show that is only good to hype PPV's even more and bring dumbass gimmick characters into before they move them to RAW or Smackdown. I know that ECW is dead, but we've crossed that line of straight pissing on its legacy. I was just hoping for a show that Paul E. would be in charge of, where I didn't have to deal with stupid fucking gimmicks like the Spirit Squad, and I could just watch Wrestlers wrestle. I give it a month before the SS shows up at ECW. I'm not going to go over all the other things that need to be done, like the showings in smaller venues and such, those have all been said in this thread already. And I really don't think it's going to make a damn bit of difference. Last edited by Jaded-Dragon; 06-14-2006 at 12:37 PM.

06-14-2006, 06:03 PM	#13
Mr. Nerfect Posts: 61,517	Booking Kurt Angle vs. Justin Credible should have been easy. Angle dominates in the early going, even going as far as to get some near pins on Credible, and eventually gets the Ankle Lock on JC. The former ECW Champ crawls through the ropes, though, and gets to the floor as Angle poses thinking he has the match won. Justin Credible gets a kendo stick, however, re-enters the ring and lets Angle have it. Eventually Angle disarms Credible and puts him in the Anchor Lock and gets the former Champ to tap. Make Angle work for it. The Sandman vs. The Zombie would have been OK. It would have been even better if The Zombie was wearing a WWE shirt, though. I lost all interest in The Sandman when he didn't have his theme music, though. Kelly should have just fucked Paul Heyman for a job or something. Having random hot chicks around is fine, but don't give them so much time. Introduce her as a character, then have her appear as a valet for some guy. I can understand the Battle Royal, but they should have made it bigger than what it was. Make it #1 Contender for the ECW Championship or something, then have John Cena challenge for the title shot at Vengeance. Guys like Nova and Johnny Swinger could have been in this as well. Maybe throw in some WWE guys receiving an ECW tryout? Matt Hardy, Brent Albright (I think he would be accepted if he used his real name), Rob Conway without his stupid music, etc. Having such a small Battle Royal leaves it open to error. I would have booked the first show something like this: -Paul Heyman opens the show and announces RVD the new ECW Champion. RVD does some crazy shit to Edge in the crowd. -Big Show beats Big Guido with the Chokeslam. This would be a quick match, with Guido only getting some offence in due to Little Guido, Tony Mamaluke and Trinity sacrificing themselves for The FBI cause. -Danny Doring & Roadkill give a promo as ECW Tag Team Champions, and challenge The FBI to a six-man tag team match the next week, with Big Show as the Champions' partner. -Kurt Angle gives an open challenge, which is answered by Balls Mahoney. The two wrestle for a bit, with Angle getting the advantage. Mahoney cracks a chair over Angle's head to get control of the match. John Cena runs in and beats on Mahoney, but Stevie Richards and Justin Credible run out and beat-down Cena. Angle hits Mahoney with the Angle Slam to pick up the pinfall win. -Mahoney challenges John Cena to a match at Vengeance. John Cena says he will accept, if it is under WWE rules. -Paul Heyman announces tha a tournament will be held to decide the new ECW Television Champion since Rhino is happy with his new job as a retail assistant. Kelly walks into Paul Heyman's office and says she wants to be in ECW and will do anything for a job. Heyman makes some kind of crude joke. -In a Television Tournament Match, C.W. Anderson defeats Al Snow with an Anderson Spinebuster. -The following week has Danny Doring, Roadkill & Big Show vs. The FBI confirmed, as well as the second ECW TV Title Tournament Match. The main event of the first show wouldn't be epic, but it would be a pretty decent wrestling match, which would allow Styles and Tazz to hype confirmed appearances for the next week's show, plus it could put over the important of ECW's secondary title. Where the fuck is C.W. Anderson, anyway? Last edited by Mr. Nerfect; 06-14-2006 at 06:06 PM.

06-14-2006, 11:51 AM	#1
McLegend Temporary Posts: 15,590	Sucks for DeAngelis and yeah train wreck would be a good way to describe it.

06-14-2006, 12:10 PM	#2
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	didn't catch it, but read the results and it seemed like a Raw show.

06-14-2006, 01:29 PM	#7
Innovator Inno Knows. Posts: 43,710	The zombie was a rib on Sci Fi, cause the network wanted more supernatural characters....they didn't agree to Sandman caning an Alien

06-14-2006, 01:43 PM	#8
Pepsi Man Posts: 15,983	They shouldn't get THAT much input on what goes on. That's fucking ridiculous.

06-14-2006, 05:26 PM	#12
Arnold HamNegger Terminator Daddy! Posts: 2,428	Did anyone else find it extremely odd that RVD didn't do some type of arial move over the top rope onto Edge and Cena on the floor last night? Combine that with the lack of hardcore moves in his arsenal at ONS, it's possible (Captain Obvious here) that he is still having knee complications or that WWE is limiting his move set to avoid him reinjuring himself. Especially if he's playing such a major role in the launch of the new ECW as WWE/ECW champion. It's like they are using RVD's name and reputation to carry him through this angle rather than letting him revert back to his old style. Sure, the diehard ECW crowd may have let it fly because he won the championship, but if he continues to perform in that true ECW environment at future tapings and is the watered down WWE version of RVD...fans are gonna possibly get vocal about it.

06-14-2006, 02:17 PM	#14
redoneja Posts: 5,629	The Vampire is most likely going to be part of the new vampire stable in ECW, and not a joke wrestler in the way of TEH ZOMBIE.

06-14-2006, 02:51 PM	#15
Triple A Triple A Posts: 133,040	That was the worst fucking shit I have ever seen in my entire life. Disgusting.

06-14-2006, 03:01 PM	#16
Corkscrewed Posts: 18,357	Shoulda done play by play. Woulda been entertaining.

06-14-2006, 03:04 PM	#17
Triple A Triple A Posts: 133,040	I was actually going to start doing an ECW TV report each week for the show but wow. What the fuck was with that retarded striptease shit? What was the point of that?!!!!!!!!! FUCK SO ANGRY.

06-14-2006, 03:05 PM	#18
6to1 Posts: 1,279	yea trips i have seen better indy shows on tv, i bet paul wishes he went to tna now he would have more control over there.

06-14-2006, 03:49 PM	#19
Arnold HamNegger Terminator Daddy! Posts: 2,428	Wow, just WOW. I can't remember looking so forward to something and being so disappointed. To start the show, why not have an impromtu-ECW style match between Edge/Cena/RVD for the Title instead of that bullshit. Start out with a SOLID meaningful match. Sabu could have interfered, kicking Cena's ass and caused RVD to get the pinfall over Cena...thus setting up Cena/Sabu for Vengance and given it some meaning. That match could have been a solid 20-30 minutes and given ECW instant momentum and credibility. Have Angle destroy the Zombie in a squash match and have Sandman/Credible/Dreamer in a cane match or something. Then if you want to make Show look like a monster ECW style, have the battle royal..but have it be a "Last Man Not Put Through a Table Wins" battle royal. That would have been a more ECW feel than that "Yard Tard" fest we had to endure. That just reeked of WWF "hardcore" bullshit. And Kelly...jezus, where I do I begin with that. Vermaat could have unhooked a bra faster than that. Why not have Trinity come out and destroy her, thus introducing 2 ECW chicks at once and developing some kind of feud or story-line. That was just insulting. Served no purpose and was a waste of time. With the limited roster that they have, they need to go back to the way old school ECW shows were scheduled. Develop some story lines and have 1-2 SOLID matches that made you want to tune in the following week. But, alas it's going to be a lost cause if they are gonna insist on taping in front of a Smackdown/WWE audience. That's fucking pointless beyond words and has been touched on by most of you guys. Christ, why not just tape Smackdown at the ECW Arena Vince? Who in the hell thought that would possibly work? I mean, they just shot ONS two days ago...why not have the first ECW show from the same venue and keep the momentum they had? This is like a horse that broke all four legs out of the gate.

06-14-2006, 03:48 PM	#20
Innovator Inno Knows. Posts: 43,710	This show was like expecting a date with a really hot girl, but instead her boyfriend comes and kicks you straight in the balls

06-14-2006, 03:59 PM	#21
Boondock Saint Posts: 8,795	When people like Trips who don't watch wrestling anymore saw this, I doubt they'll be tuning in again. Fucking embarassment.

06-14-2006, 06:30 PM	#22
McLegend Temporary Posts: 15,590	The rating for this last night was a 2.8

06-14-2006, 06:41 PM	#23
Juan Doin' It Right Posts: 35,460	IMO, it's kind of pathetic how some of you are dooming this show already after one episode. If you're a real ECW fan you'll wait it out and see where it's going before saying you're never gonna watch again, which you probably will either way.

06-14-2006, 06:44 PM	#25
PullMyFinger Posts: 3,319	The rating came in at 2.8

06-14-2006, 10:41 PM	#28
The Taker Posts: 17	heyman used to have the ability to turn shit nito gold but that pile of shit is beyond hisability to even begin to work on

06-14-2006, 09:36 PM	#29
Fox "Ask him!" Posts: 10,072	ECW "happens" to be a piece of shit brand that will not come back after the initial 12 week run on Sci-Fi. Last night was MAKE IT or BREAK IT for ECW!!!!!!!!!

06-15-2006, 01:37 AM	#31
Triple A Triple A Posts: 133,040	The absolute biggest problem is that they tape in front of a fucking Smackdown crowd. It is not ECW without the ECW fans. They make like the entire show. The wrestlers all feed off the crowd. As long as it's in a WWE arena, it's gonna have a WWE atmosphere to it, not an ECW atmosphere. Well, that is not the absolute biggest problem of the 99283298 but it's a big one.

06-15-2006, 01:48 AM	#32
James Steele TPWW's HHH Mark Since '04 Posts: 29,886	Here is the biggest problem with the new ECW:

06-15-2006, 01:52 AM	#33
Gertner Guest Posts: n/a	naw triple A it's the biggest problem.

06-15-2006, 01:54 AM	#34
James Steele TPWW's HHH Mark Since '04 Posts: 29,886	Vince needs to stand back from ECW.

06-15-2006, 01:57 AM	#35
James Steele TPWW's HHH Mark Since '04 Posts: 29,886	Also, this picture amuses me:

06-15-2006, 02:14 AM	#36
Triple A Triple A Posts: 133,040	Mad beady eyes.

06-15-2006, 03:05 AM	#37
Lara Emily Hey Posts: 15,662	I can't belive they are using Bodies instead of the always awesome ECW theme what the fuck

06-15-2006, 03:19 AM	#38
D Mac Posts: 21,603	Yeah Trips that crowd sucked to high heaven.

06-15-2006, 04:59 PM	#40
Kalyx triaD Raw Video Footage Posts: 45,950	New ECW=Joke (Elaboration) ECW, the classic ECW, is 40% matches, 60% crowd interaction. Not blood, not angles that tried too hard to tell risky stories. It was Tanaka/Awesome trading the world title. RVD and Jerry Lynn having damn-near kung-fu battles for the TV title. Taz putting some punk to sleep. The crowd calling out a boring match, or applauding a well-timed spot. Finales where performers were executing finisher after finisher just to have a spot in the middle of the ring and pose! All that was ECW! I'm glad I didn't fall for this new ECW like some dumb-ass fans whose pics ECW.com actually took the honor of posting on their site. I might have been insulted if I didn't see this coming. But I knew ONS 2 was the show to watch, with the first ONS being the true reunion show. They're better off bringing back WCW.