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Old 11-13-2007, 05:41 PM   #241
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CC wins the Cy Young, wish Beckett would have won it but whatever. Would rather have a guy show up in the post season and not win the Cy Young then win it and no show the most important time of the year.
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CC deserved it. For once they didn't pick the guy with the most wins. CC had a lower ERA, more K's, less walks, pitched 40 more innings and threw 4 shutouts to 1.

Not taking anything away from Beckett, he was nasty this year.

Joba Chamberlain should have won but whatever
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Can not believe Beckett didn't win it, though.
I can, their stats where pretty similar but CC picked 40 more innings.
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ok, doesn't look great for Lowell in Boston and I can't blame him or the Sox, if someone will give him a gaurenteed 4th year over 10mil/year why not take the money.

As for the Red Sox, I can't fault the Sox... so far everytime the sox make a limit for an older player and he goes elsewhere they have been right (Nomaar, Pedro, Damon).
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:11 PM   #245
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Sabathia was almost a lock considering the voters are urged not to use the playoffs as a way to vote ( i think the votes are due before the playoffs start )

Joba Chamberline is my 2nd favorite pitcher.
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I'm hearing Carlos Silva to the Mets is looking very possible. An improvement over what we've got, definitely. The biggest concern I have is that he borders on 1 home run allowed per start.

But even with Silva, the Mets still need another starter. I'd hate to see Milledge go, but I'd give him up for a Joe Blanton type. The Mets need to aim out West for a starter, I think.

Pedro-Blanton-Maine-Perez-Silva is a pretty damn good rotation with El Duque getting moved to the bullpen in a limited role
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Well. Part one of three of priority one is done. Get the other two and we can move on and do some damage. Until then, it's hope and pray.

Word going around is that the Yanks offered Mariano Rivera 3-years, $45 mil.

The Cubs trade OF Craig Monroe to the Twins for a player to be named later. Fat chance it's Santana.
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Santana would never be a "player to be named later", nor would that trade ever happen anyway.
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Yanks offered Rivera 3 years/45 mil.......wow
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They give to CC for compensation to not winning the World Serie
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Mets are gonna be making a multi-year offer to Yorvit Torrealba soon.

I really don't get why the Mets have a hard-on for him, he's only a career .251 hitter. I'd rather see Ramon Castro as the everyday starter
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He's a really good catcher

but I dont know if he is worth what they'll be paying
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Apparently the Yankees are willing to negotiate with A-Rod as long as Boras isn't in the room. I'm assuming its A-Rod's way of making a market for himself though. I don't believe he really wants to come back here.

As soon as teams hear A-Rod is talking with the Yankees again it will make them jump sooner on deals. It seems like everyone's first choice seemed to be trading for Cabrera before getting A-Rod and this just helps A-Rod's value on the market. It would still be an extreme longshot in my mind that A-Rod comes back here. I would definitely want it to happen, but it most likely won't. The only way it would happen I'd think is if A-Rod and Boras leave money on the table, and I definitely don't see that happening.
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Mets are gonna be making a multi-year offer to Yorvit Torrealba soon.

I really don't get why the Mets have a hard-on for him, he's only a career .251 hitter. I'd rather see Ramon Castro as the everyday starter

Its never about hitting with catchers. They say Yorvit is a big reason the rockies pitching came around. Thats worth cash.

251 isnt that bad for a catcher anyways.

and he is young for a catcher.
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Eric Wedge and Bob Melvin are your managers of the year.

I agree with Wedge but I thought Clint Hurdle would have won it in the NL. Melvin is still a good choice though, D'Backs were a young team who couldn't hit for shit and they still managed to win 90 games.
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I really wouldn't be too shocked if A-Rod came back with all the rumblings we've heard lately. I don't know who else out there is going to offer him the kind of money he wants. I don't think the Angels want to give him that kind of money. The Giants might, but I don't know if he'd want to play there as he wants a World Series, though he did sign with the Rangers, so if the money is right I could see it. I don't think the Dodgers will sign him. People act like he and Torre were really close, all of the sudden.

If they resign A-Rod, I think they'll push hard for Santana. I think their uncertainty at 3rd base is stalling that, as they might feel obligated to trade their chips for Miguel Cabrera.

Ideally, I'd sign A-Rod, deal for Santana (I'd surrender Wang/Melky/Kennedy in a heartbeat) and then sign Torii Hunter. Imagine, Santana/Pettitte/Hughes/Chamberlain/Mussina. Wow.
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I really wouldn't be too shocked if A-Rod came back with all the rumblings we've heard lately. I don't know who else out there is going to offer him the kind of money he wants. I don't think the Angels want to give him that kind of money. The Giants might, but I don't know if he'd want to play there as he wants a World Series, though he did sign with the Rangers, so if the money is right I could see it. I don't think the Dodgers will sign him. People act like he and Torre were really close, all of the sudden.

If they resign A-Rod, I think they'll push hard for Santana. I think their uncertainty at 3rd base is stalling that, as they might feel obligated to trade their chips for Miguel Cabrera.

Ideally, I'd sign A-Rod, deal for Santana (I'd surrender Wang/Melky/Kennedy in a heartbeat) and then sign Torii Hunter. Imagine, Santana/Pettitte/Hughes/Chamberlain/Mussina. Wow.

UNless they unload Matsui and Damon is full time LF, pass on Hunter. We already have an aging CF on the decline making too much money. We dont need 50 million for 4 outfielders.

If they are going to sign a FA CF, go for Aaron Rowand. Younger, Better Faster Stronger....
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UNless they unload Matsui and Damon is full time LF, pass on Hunter. We already have an aging CF on the decline making too much money. We dont need 50 million for 4 outfielders.

If they are going to sign a FA CF, go for Aaron Rowand. Younger, Better Faster Stronger....
I actually prefer Rowand to Hunter and Andruw Jones. I like Hunter a lot but I think he's due to breakdown after playing so many years on turf. Jones is as good as anyone with the glove but he is coming off a real down year and doesn't seem like the type to make adjustments. He's strictly a power hitter anyway. Rowand has a good glove, plays hard and is a solid hitter.

Damon is the left fielder. Matsui is going to DH. They're saying Giambi is going to see time at first. I'd sign Mientkiwicz if that's the plan to platoon or take over in late innings for Giambi if that's the case.
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I've seen a couple things about if A-Rod does end up coming back the Yankees will go hard after Santana and would be willing to include Hughes in the deal.

I dunno. I'm all for getting Santana but I wouldn't complain if Cashman doesn't get it done because I realize what it would take. I'd love to get Santana but not if it takes Joba, Hughes or Cano. A package of Melky, Kennedy, Tabata, etc...something like that I could deal with. That is still a good amount of talent in my mind but maybe not enough to get Santana. And if thats the case they should just pass. Especially considering there is no guarantee Santana would sign an extension.

I'm probably overrating our prospects a bit but I still wouldn't deal Joba, Hughes or Cano. Maybe it wouldn't be the best decision but it would still be the decision I would make.
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Jones range has been getting smaller as his waist and power numbers have gotten bigger. He is becoming Adam Dunn South.

I look at it this way. Hughes may be a star someday, but Santana is THE hands down best pitcher in the MLB, and he is only a few years older. I am completely ok with losing one good player and some POTENTIALLY good player (who may never do JACK) to get the BEST. But just like everything, there is a fair price, so as long as they dont give up too much more than he is worth, its ok.

Giving an average Pitcher (wang) and a solid CF, with a pitching prospect that hasnt done much and might never for the top Pitcher seems fair to me.
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I've seen a couple things about if A-Rod does end up coming back the Yankees will go hard after Santana and would be willing to include Hughes in the deal.

I dunno. I'm all for getting Santana but I wouldn't complain if Cashman doesn't get it done because I realize what it would take. I'd love to get Santana but not if it takes Joba, Hughes or Cano. A package of Melky, Kennedy, Tabata, etc...something like that I could deal with. That is still a good amount of talent in my mind but maybe not enough to get Santana. And if thats the case they should just pass. Especially considering there is no guarantee Santana would sign an extension.

I'm probably overrating our prospects a bit but I still wouldn't deal Joba, Hughes or Cano. Maybe it wouldn't be the best decision but it would still be the decision I would make.

I wouldnt deal Joba or Cano, they are hands off, Cano is already an all star and Joba is the real deal, but anyone else should be fair game. Santana is better than Hughes is now and better than he ever will be.
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Hughes is untouchable too, as far as I'm concerned.

If Santana isnt Untouchable to the twins, hughes shouldnt be for the Yanks. I would part with with Wang, or hughes, but not both. I would send

Hughes/Melky and a 2nd tier guy (Kennedy/tabata)

or

Wang, Melky and 2nd tier guy.

I dont think they should trade 2 starters for one, but one for one with melky/prospect would be alright. Santana is so good that he covers the difference.

I dont see Santana going anywher but a NY team, they need a CF and the Yanks and Mets have a combined 200 Stud OF prospects.
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A-Rod back to the Yankees is basically a done deal for about $290 million.

Gonna take a HUUUUUGE PR hit if it really does happen
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Am I the only Yankee fan who likes Melky?
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I think every Yankee fan likes Melky, but also realizes that he won't be anything great. He is a solid player but his offense is really weak and I don't think will get drastically better.

And also, Santana isn't a couple years older than Hughes, he's 7-8 years older I believe. Like I said, it might not be the best decision but I would keep Hughes, Joba and Cano. Anyway, I don't see any reason why Santana would even discuss an extension with a team that trades for him. Unless it is some monster offer that noone will even come close to.
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Some news and rumors.

The Rays excersied their option on Al Reyes.

Many a team interested in Carlos Silva.

In Carl Crawford news, Cubs are getting into the game and are thinking a Rich Hill and Eric Patterson deal might bring him over.

As for this new A-Rod situation. I'm not all that set on it. Vito pretty much hit the nail on the head. We're gonna be the laughing stock throughout the league. Here we are barking that if he leaves, we ain't talking to him again. SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YA, good bye, get the hell out of New York. And now he calls us up and wants to talk one on one. H & H Steinbrenner must have softer hearts than old man George.

I'm reading that alot of his friends want him to fire Boras but he ain't. Probably be the smartest thing he would ever do. But I guess if this is gonna straighten out our corner situation, then so be it. I'll reserve judgement until we hit the postseason.
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oh greaaaaat. just what I wanted to see happen. wtf, are you with us or not? Or has Boras been shoving his hand up your throat the whole time and talking for you? I'm going to be that Indians fan in Major League and boo his ass until he proves himself in the post season. I'm not signing on until then
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I dunno. I don't understand why we would be the laughing stock of the whole league. I'll take it though if it means signing the best player in the game and saving us prospects that we'd have to give for Cabrera or another third baseman. And its not like the Yankees went to A-Rod begging for him to come back. He came back on his own apparently and wanted to negotiate with them. If he ends up signing below market value then it would get him into the good graces of people pretty quickly. Who knows what his market value even is though.

I was obviously pissed about how the opt-out thing was handled but whatever. If he does come back next year I won't boo him.
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I'll be happy if he comes back. It's been said that he must come back on the Yankees terms. That allows them to save face a bit.

If A-Rod wants to look classy he should fire Boras. He won't though.
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On SportsCenter, they are saying that A-rod is simply sharing his thoughts and explaining himself to the Yankees.
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Wow. Apparently for the Mets to get Dan Haren, they'll need to part with John Maine, Lastings Milledge, and Aaron Heilman. Beane always asks for too much.

If it were just Milledge and Heilman I'd do it in a heartbeat. Maybe they could trade those two for Blanton or something.
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7Sports is reporting that the Braves, Angels, Cardinals and Yankees have all offered Mike Lowell four-year contracts worth $55 million-$60 million.

This scoop from a Boston TV station sounds ludicrous and is likely fiction, but we'll report it anyway. That the Braves would be in the mix is especially bizarre. Chipper Jones wouldn't want to move back to left field, and Lowell can't play shortstop.
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Ugh. I hope Cashman really isn't this stupid. Either the A-Rod stuff won't happen or he really wants Lowell to play 1st? Adding Lowell to that whole first base mess would be incredibly stupid. I'd much rather go with a Betemit/Duncan platoon and have Giambi start every now and then.
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According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, Alex Rodriguez will likely be guaranteed about $280 million over 10 years from the Yankees, with the chance to go over $300 million through incentives.

Heyman says agent Scott Boras is in intense negotiations with the Yankees to complete the deal. We suppose anything is possible with these two parties involved, but it seems highly unlikely that a deal will fall through at this stage.

I, for one, am ecstatic.
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I am glad he is going back. When we win the World Series again next year it will be great to see his face.
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Its kinda weird he is getting more than we offered before though, and that is with the money Texas owed us. I thought the plan was to take 21M or whatever off the contract? Not add it on to make the contract even larger.

There were rumors about a 220M contract but that seems like absolute nonsense so I believe this 280-300M deal is more like the real deal.

I'm not gonna complain too much because I'm glad he may be coming back but if this is true then Boras is getting exactly what he wanted and he wasn't even there apparently. This contract would most likely be the most any team offers anyway.
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Maybe the Yanks will be the Laughing stock, but that will wear off quick when Arod hits 50 bombs for the yanks and not someone else.

I love Melky, but I love Cy Youn Pitchers more. He is no bernie, and we need a top number one.
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