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Old 11-19-2009, 03:04 PM   #241
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Wow, eager for the voting tallies to come out. I wouldn't be surprised if the two Cards pitchers cancelled each other out. Not that Lincecum is un-deserving or anything.
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Old 11-19-2009, 03:05 PM   #242
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Tim Lincecum Wins NL Cy Young Award
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [November 19 at 1:04pm CST]

Tim Lincecum won the NL Cy Young award for the second straight season, edging out Adam Wainwright and Chris Carpenter. Lincecum, 25, went 15-7 with a 2.48 ERA. He struck out a league-leading 261 batters, walking 68 in 225.1 innings. He made his second consecutive All-Star appearance and led the league in complete games and shutouts. According to WAR, Lincecum was the NL's best pitcher.

He'll be arbitration-eligible as a Super Two this offseason and the Giants will likely have to hand out a record-setting contract. Lincecum has said before that he's open to an extension.

Wainwright - who obtained the most first place votes - and Carpenter each receive $100K bonuses for their finishes in the Cy Young voting, according to Cot's Baseball Contracts.
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Didn't even get the most first place votes. Wow.
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Yeah that is pretty shocking.

For me I was on the Carpenter bandwagon for most of the year calling him to win the award, but as I looked over the numbers just now they were all very close. Any of the 3 were very deserving IMO.

Looking closely at it you would say Wainwright though. Tough call in the end.
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Wainwright and Lincecum appeared on all ballots. Carpenter was left off of 2. Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus had Dan Haren, Keith Law of ESPN had Javier Vazquez.

So glad they reveal votes. Fucking Keith Law. He tried justifying leaving Carpenter off his ballot because the Cards had better defense. Wow.
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Wainwright and Lincecum appeared on all ballots. Carpenter was left off of 2. Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus had Dan Haren, Keith Law of ESPN had Javier Vazquez.

So glad they reveal votes. Fucking Keith Law. He tried justifying leaving Carpenter off his ballot because the Cards had better defense. Wow.
Yeah I heard him say that. He also justified saying Carpenter pitched 30 less innings than everyone else. Come on.
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D'Backs Acquire Aaron Heilman
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [November 19 at 3:37pm CST]

The Diamondbacks acquired Aaron Heilman from the Cubs, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com. Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports says the Cubs obtained minor leaguers Scott Maine and Ryne White in return.

Tim listed Heilman as a non-tender candidate last month, so it's not a surprise that the Cubs were willing to part with the 31-year-old righty. He pitched to a 4.11 ERA in 72.1 innings with the Cubs last year, allowing 68 hits and 34 walks, while striking out 65.

Heilman has started before, but GM Josh Byrnes suggests to the Arizona Republic that the D'Backs see him as a reliever.
Aarons on the move again, and yet another team doesn't see him as a starter. Sorry Aaron.
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Pick the destinations.

Jason Bay: Angels
Erik Bedard: Blue Jays
Adrian Beltre: Twins
Mike Cameron: Padres
Aroldis Chapman: Yankees
Johnny Damon: Yankees
Mark DeRosa: Phillies
Jermaine Dye: Athletics
Chone Figgins: Angels
Vladimir Guerrero: Rangers
Rich Harden: Red Sox
Matt Holliday: Red Sox
Orlando Hudson: Mets
John Lackey: Mets
Hideki Matsui: Mariners
Andy Pettite: Yankees
Marco Scutaro: Red Sox
Miguel Tejada: Athletics
Jose Valverde: Tigers
Billy Wagner: Braves
Randy Wolf: Dodgers


Five guys who get traded.
1. Luis Castillo
2. Milton Bradley
3. Chad Billingsley
4. Roy Halladay
5. Adrian Gonzalez
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Pick the destinations.

Jason Bay: Red Sox
Erik Bedard: Orioles
Adrian Beltre: Twins
Mike Cameron: Padres
Aroldis Chapman: Red Sox
Johnny Damon: Yankees
Mark DeRosa: Phillies
Jermaine Dye: Athletics
Chone Figgins: Angels
Vladimir Guerrero: Rangers
Rich Harden: Red Sox
Matt Holliday: Cardinals
Orlando Hudson: Mets
John Lackey: Mets
Hideki Matsui: Yankees
Andy Pettite: Yankees
Marco Scutaro: Blue Jays
Miguel Tejada: Astros
Jose Valverde: Tigers
Billy Wagner: Braves
Randy Wolf: Dodgers


Five guys who get traded.
1. Luis Castillo
2. Dan Uggla
3. Derek Lowe
4. Roy Halladay
5. Ryan Doumit
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Pick the destinations.

Jason Bay: Red Sox
Erik Bedard: Orioles
Adrian Beltre: Twins
Mike Cameron: Padres
Aroldis Chapman: Red Sox
Johnny Damon: Yankees
Mark DeRosa: Phillies
Jermaine Dye: Angels
Chone Figgins: Angels
Vladimir Guerrero: White Sox
Rich Harden: Red Sox
Matt Holliday: Mets
Orlando Hudson: Mets
John Lackey: Yankees
Hideki Matsui: Yankees
Andy Pettite: Yankees
Marco Scutaro: Red Sox
Miguel Tejada: Astros
Jose Valverde: Phillies
Billy Wagner: Tigers
Randy Wolf: Mets


Five guys who get traded.
1. Luis Castillo
2. Dan Uggla
3. Derek Lowe
4. Roy Halladay
5. Juan Pierre
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Looks like Timmy boy is going to be getting a higher paycheck
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Jason Bay: Red Sox

Erik Bedard: Orioles

Adrian Beltre: Orioles


Mike Cameron: Padres

Aroldis Chapman: Red Sox

Johnny Damon: Yankees

Mark DeRosa: Yankees(It is foretold that his name is being thrown around that the Yankees might be trying to look to sign him as a bench guy)


Jermaine Dye: Angels

Chone Figgins: Angels

Vladimir Guerrero: White Sox

Rich Harden: Yankees

Matt Holliday: Mets

Orlando Hudson: Mets

John Lackey: Mets

Hideki Matsui: Yankees

Andy Pettite: Yankees or retirement.


Marco Scutaro: Red Sox

Miguel Tejada: Astros

Jose Valverde: Phillies

Billy Wagner: Tigers

Randy Wolf: Mets


Five guys who get traded.

1. Luis Castillo

2. Dan Uggla

3. Derek Lowe

4. Roy Halladay

5. Miguel Cabrera (After the altercation with his wife and doing badly in the playoffs he may be on his way out of the Motor City)
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Believe me J, I am pulling for your predictions. I'll be doing back flips if the Mets landed Holliday Lackey Hudson and Wolf.
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I just read that Wang is going to be non tendored and that the Dodgers may be interested in him and despite saying he wanted to stay in NY he is open to the Dodgers because of the comfort level with Torre.
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Mets and Cubs involved in talks of another three way, this time with the Rangers.

Rangers get: OF Milton Bradley
Cubs get: 2B Luis Castillo
Mets get: SP Kevin Millwood

I'd definitely like that. Hope it actually happens. Millwood is decent, better than what the Mets have now, should improve in the NL, and frees up space for Orlando Hudson.
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Deal dead. That didn't take long. Bradley was probably the hold-up again. Cubs aren't gonna be able to trade him.
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Bradley's contract and attitude are too crazy to trade him.
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Supposedly, Red Sox are evaluating Josh Beckett to see how much investment they need in pitchers for next 2 years (his current contract ends by then).

If they think Beckett can rebound and be back to a great pitcher, they probably don't go after Lackey or Halladay but fix their depth in batters or bullpen. If they think he's going to keep being a pitcher that keeps having a down year every other season, they going after Lackey or Halladay or potentially both.
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Marlins and Josh Johnson couldn't work out a deal so he's on the market in 2 years.

Part of me wants Cashman to make a run at him.
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Aroldis Chapman got a new agent(s). He's now represented by the Hendricks Brothers.

This, of course, may or may not change things.
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Just another reason why the Jays are stuck with Wells. Anytime the Jays try to deal him the other team will back out .
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Wells doesn't have a bad attitude however. Just way over paid. I like the guy, but he was never, even in his best year(s) worth themoney they dolled out to him. It's funny, Delgado was worth the $$ (back in the day) but the Jays were always saying he was too expensive, but they overpay Wells. All under J.P. , I think JP didn't mesh well with Carlos for some reason.
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He said he wouldn't retire if he got a chance to close somewhere.
I just heard the Orioles were interested in Wagner because they're current closer options are Jim Johnson who quite honestly doesn't have what it takes to be a Closer, and Koji Uehara who was a closer in Japan but will probably be needed in the rotation.

The Os are apparently also interested in Ben Sheets, who could be a huge wild card among pitchers in the offseason. I do doubt that they would go after both Sheets and Bedard since both have injuries but Andy McPhail has said that they will persue players even if they have a history of injuries.

The Os only have $45 million for the salary of the players currently on the roster so they could spend some money. Plus they only have 3 players signed past next season (Markakis, Roberts and Brian Matusz)..though I sure hope they get Adam Jones signed to along term deal soon.
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Rumor lmill is really stating the Yankees want to make a run at Halladay. Man... If they do, that is it. I'm a Yankees fan until Halladay retires or moves on from the Yankees.
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Rumor mill is really stating the Yankees want to make a run at Halladay. Man... If they do, that is it. I'm a Yankees fan until Halladay retires or moves on from the Yankees.
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Rumor mill is really stating the Yankees want to make a run at Halladay. Man... If they do, that is it. I'm a Yankees fan until Halladay retires or moves on from the Yankees.
I feel kinda "MEH" about getting Halladay right now because of 2 reasons.

1. Since we're in the same league I know for a fact that it's gonna be some Jaw Dropping package that we'd have to give for him. And I really don't want to give up a whole shit load of talent for maybe 5 or 6 years as a Yankee.

Phil orJoba/A-jax + 2 minor League pitchers is as high as I will go. And I really don't want to give up Austin . I think he will be a big star.

And 2. If we do get Halladay I am worried we're not paying for just Halladay. If we have to take Wells too then I say let the Red Sox take him, Let the Angels take him, let anyone take him. I don't care if Cy Fuckin Young came back from the dead and could be traded for if we got Vernon Wells too. If we trade for Halladay all that I hope is Wells isn't coming to us too. Cause I really don't want Vernon Wells at all.


If number 2 is the case then no offence to Roy but Halladay can go somewhere else, anywhere else. There are quite a few pitchers who could be testing free agency in the 2010 offseason. So if Toronto wants us to take Wells then I say we don't trade for Halladay and go for someone else in the 2010 offseason.
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Get Halladay for half our farm system, a 1 season rental, AND sign him to a big ass extension. Toronto and that new GM of theirs can keep him.
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Get Halladay for half our farm system, a 1 season rental, AND sign him to a big ass extension. Toronto and that new GM of theirs can keep him.

My Point exactly especially if they want us to take Wells too. I would much rather sign back Andy and maybe get Lackey and then wait until the offseason of 2010 and see what we can get. I would be extremely happy if Halladay got traded to the National League though.
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You guys don't realize just how good Halladay is. Ask Jeter.
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I've been a Halliday fan from day 1. I would love him to wear the pinstripes. He's definately a "Yankee" type. The guy is a work horse and a class act. If they insist on starting Joba, I'd definately give him up to be honest.
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Even though Halladay is obviously one of the best the Yankees don't really need him. I mean they won the WS with a rotation of CC, AJ, Andy, Joba and a bunch of guys with ERAs around 8 (Wang, Mitre). I'm fine with the Yankees having a rotation of CC-AJ-Andy-Joba-Hughes next year. Joba has a year under his belt of starting and will have no Joba rules next year. The whole innings restriction is when he started going downhill this year.

And if they really want they can go after a guy like Lee or Halladay in FA the next year. The whole Halladay situation reminds me of the Santana thing. There won't be that many teams that will be able to trade a huge amount of prospects and sign him to a 20M+/year contract.
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Will Pettitte play again? Will AJ not implode (usually has a good 1st year somewhere then, falls off...until contract time) Just how many burgers can CC eat? Yeah, you won the WS, but there is a shaky team behind this years championship.
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I personally wanna bring in Ben Sheets. A low-risk deal that won't hurt us. We've learned from Pavano.

But that's just me.
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Well my whole thing is assuming Pettitte returns. Everything I've read has said he'll be back. Burnett is gonna be Burnett no matter what. He was inconsistent as hell this year and I expect he'll be the same next year. Really not worried about CC at all.

I mean no other team in baseball last year was able to match that trio in the postseason. And I really wouldn't say they were a shaky team. They were the best team in baseball a majority of the season.

The rotation of CC, AJ, Andy, Joba and Hughes with Gaudin, Aceves, Kennedy and others as spot starters when needed is fine IMO. I could see the Yankees taking a chance on someone like Sheets or Bedard though.

I dunno, like I said before the whole thing reminds me of the Santana situation all over again. How many teams in baseball are able to afford giving up a big haul of prospects and giving out a huge contract to Halladay? For Santana it was three and in the end the Twins ended up getting nothing at all. I just don't wanna give up big pieces for Halladay when I'd think there's a good chance of him or Lee becoming a free agent after next year.
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