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Old 08-22-2010, 11:10 PM   #2801
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Ill admit it, I watched Pinella's last conference and welled up
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Old 08-22-2010, 11:40 PM   #2802
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are you ever not crying at something Splaya?
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Old 08-23-2010, 12:02 AM   #2803
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CC Sabathia really uses those big legs of his, that's why his delivery looks effortless.

Other pitchers, like Strausburg, use their arm too much and that's how injuries happen.
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Old 08-23-2010, 10:07 AM   #2804
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I am gonna really miss Lou. I wonder what the Cubs would have done if the Cubs were in first place and in playoff contention. I wonder if Lou would have just waited till the off season if they were in first place this close to the playoffs.
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Old 08-23-2010, 10:17 AM   #2805
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Nah, that's not his style. Baseball's important but priorities are priorities.

I'll miss you, Lou. Thanks for the world title. Love ya lots
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Old 08-23-2010, 10:22 AM   #2806
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I love Lou, infuriating to read the Steinbrenner book and read about how he was basically run out of town by George, even was brought up with gambling.
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Old 08-23-2010, 12:34 PM   #2807
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Old 08-23-2010, 02:25 PM   #2808
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Yeah, his press conference was pretty emotional. He's meant a lot to the game, shame he didn't take more than 1 series in his time...I think if he did (say, the year the Mariners won 116 games) he'd be regarded as one of the ALL TIME greats.
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Old 08-23-2010, 04:34 PM   #2809
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I don't really want to get too emotional about his retirement, only because I'm not 100% convinced it'll really be IT for him.
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Old 08-23-2010, 05:01 PM   #2810
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Red Sox claim Johnny Damon on waivers. I wonder if all the fans who booed him when he signed with the Yankees will cheer for him again if a trade happens?
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Old 08-23-2010, 06:27 PM   #2811
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Damon's got a no-trade clause. But wether it applies to waiver trades is unknown at this time.
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Old 08-23-2010, 06:28 PM   #2812
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It applies, but why would you say no to that trade if you were Johnny Damon?
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Old 08-23-2010, 07:20 PM   #2813
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It applies, but why would you say no to that trade if you were Johnny Damon?
It's because he is still upset at the reaction of Red Sox fans when he decided to leave and go to their hated rivals. He actually didn't expect his jersey to be burned and people to start hating him. It didn't help him that he kept saying New York was the best place to be in while ignoring his time at Fenway unless it was a Red Sox-Yankees series.

Original issue was about extra year or two on a new Red Sox contract more than extra money but the problem was his numbers were declining and he was getting injury-prone. Once Yankees made an offer, he bolted for the extra money rather than extra years on the Yankees contract.
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Old 08-24-2010, 09:39 AM   #2814
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Old 08-24-2010, 09:40 AM   #2815
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Old 08-24-2010, 09:41 AM   #2816
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Bautista definitely didn't need to bring the bat with him to confront Nova last night.
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Old 08-24-2010, 09:47 AM   #2817
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This whole Braves win Phillies win, Braves lose Phillies lose thing is getting pretty ridiculous.
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Old 08-24-2010, 10:37 AM   #2818
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Haven't watched a full Mets game since the one I went to a couple weeks ago. It's weird, last year they were even worse than they are now and last year I actually had playoff expectations for them, yet I still watched pretty much every game in full despite every good player being injured.

Guess I'm just tired of another year of the same poor play and off-field drama. They're actually on track to finish right around .500, which I predicted going into the year...but it still sucks cause they were 10 games over .500 and right in the thick of the race until the ASB.

Doubt 2011 will be much different since they won't be able to unload any of their bad contracts and are hamstrung by the budget...but I know I'll still be excited on Opening Day when they get a clean slate again (and hopefully Wally Backman in the dugout).
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Old 08-24-2010, 10:44 AM   #2819
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Best thing for the Mets is getting rid of Omar. If George was alive and ran the Mets, Omar would've been gone a long time ago, then brought back, then fired again.
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Old 08-24-2010, 10:55 AM   #2820
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Yeah, losing Omar would be huge. I think the rumors were that Wilpons have said he's already safe for next year, which is absolutely insane if true. Every year Omar seems to have a one-tracked mind, he'll fix the biggest hole on the team but then ignore everything else.

It's been said that the Wilpons are now in no financial position to pay people to work for another team, but the thought of Omar being around for another 2-3 years (whenever his deal is up) makes me want to vomit. I'll give him credit for taking the team to within a game of the World Series, but it's been completely downhill from there.

I remember after Beltran struck out looking I thought "well that sucks, but it's okay cause they'll be back next year!" fucking Mets.
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:01 AM   #2821
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:18 AM   #2822
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Given everything that's happened in the 4 seasons after that, that game HAS to be the worst loss in Mets history. What's happened in these 4 seasons would have been awful no matter what, but it would have felt nowhere near this bad if they at least got a WS title out of this core.
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:22 AM   #2823
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The best thing for the Mets would be to break the core up. I know Mets fans are annoyed cause Francesa is calling for this for the last two years, but they aren't getting it done.
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:43 AM   #2824
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The problem is, what exactly in the core can they give up? Unless they got a ton of really good prospects in return, losing Wright and Reyes doesn't make them better. Santana is hardly to blame for the Mets' struggles, and nobody would take his contract on anyway. Nobody will take on Beltran's $18M+ for next year (and it's a contract year so he could be primed for a big year if he could stay healthy). Nobody will take Bay or K-Rod, either.

Thing is, I'm not sure the Mets' farm will produce enough winning ballplayers to put together a playoff run while Wright and Reyes are still in their prime. Santana's still good but I do fear that one of these years he's gonna get aging pitcher syndrome, his great years have been wasted here.
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:49 AM   #2825
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I mean shit, I remember in the offseason a Boston reporter had speculated that the Red Sox would be willing to part with Ellbury, Buccholz, Lowrie, and somebody else for Reyes. I doubt there was really any substance to those reports...but if I were Omar and I got offered that trade last offseason I would have done it in a heartbeat. I'd need a package like that to justify losing Reyes or Wright.
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Old 08-24-2010, 01:13 PM   #2826
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This past offseason? I doubt the RS would give up Ellsbury and Buccholz for a guy coming off injury.
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Old 08-24-2010, 01:31 PM   #2827
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With Ike Davis up, the Mets really only have Fernando Martinez and Mejia in the minors...and I can't say I'm too sold on Martinez (though he's quite young yet).

Sad part is that the Mets have plenty of talent on the team, and its going to be hard to "upgrade" a lot of position players. Beltran and Bay are entrenched, and the way Pagan is playing you want him in the lineup. Wright and Reyes are there to stay, Castillo's contract is too big for you to sign another second basemen (why the Mets gave him a long term deal is beyond me), and Davis is the first basemen of the future. Mets need a new catcher, yes, but they don't pop up on the free agent market very often.
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Old 08-24-2010, 01:36 PM   #2828
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Martinez has been given so many opportunities with the Mets, I think they've finally run out of patience. It sucks because they know he can be a good player but he needs a change of scenery. Just like Felix Pie.
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Worst part is that he's batting all of .250 in the minors this year...doesn't exactly spell big league success.
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I think the front office is just as much to blame for F-Mart's shortcomings tbh. He earned almost all of his hype in 2005 when he slugged over .500 in the SAL at age 16, which is ridiculous. Then he got bumped to High-A, still at 16, and struggled to end the year.

The logical thing to do would have been to have him open up 2006 in High-A again (now 17, still really really young for that league) and instead they opened him up in Double-A. He hasn't been quite the same since. He's fallen on the Top 100 prsopects list every year since then. He was #77 this year. I'd be shocked if he somehow made it again next year.

The guy only turns 22 after the season and yet I feel about ready to give up on the guy as a prospect.
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It's because he is still upset at the reaction of Red Sox fans when he decided to leave and go to their hated rivals. He actually didn't expect his jersey to be burned and people to start hating him. It didn't help him that he kept saying New York was the best place to be in while ignoring his time at Fenway unless it was a Red Sox-Yankees series.

Original issue was about extra year or two on a new Red Sox contract more than extra money but the problem was his numbers were declining and he was getting injury-prone. Once Yankees made an offer, he bolted for the extra money rather than extra years on the Yankees contract.
Red Sox fans actually burned their Damon Jersey's when he left? I knew they were extremely upset but I would never burn a Jersey/T-shirt even if Jeter or Mariano signs with the Red Sox. *Prays to the good lord that never happens*
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Yeah burning the jerseys is kind of ridiculous. One of the funniest alterations I saw at a game was someone wearing a Damon jersey with the "O" crossed out with tape so all it said was "DAMN".
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It did occur during the most heated time of the rivalry (2003-2007) although it didn't help that during his time with the Yankees, Damon would "trash" the Red Sox fans with how in love he was with New York after a few years earlier saying he would never leave or want to play for the Yankees.

Historically, usually the talent migration benefited Yankees more than Red Sox (ex. Boggs wins a title with Yankees, David Cone average with Red Sox after being pivotal piece in Yankees title years, Hinske sucked with Red Sox yet suddenly becomes a good player with Yankees). Jon Olerud is the only recent player to have been good while being on both teams.

It is actually pretty common thing to occur once every few years since most recent would be Lebron having his jersey burned in Cleveland.
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Yeah burning the jerseys is kind of ridiculous. One of the funniest alterations I saw at a game was someone wearing a Damon jersey with the "O" crossed out with tape so all it said was "DAMN".
I have never seen that ever I would probably end up falling over with laughter if I did. Now, I have seen a lot of occasions where someone's full name is crossed out in tape. I can see it now.

Fan: I fucking hate Johnny Damon I still have his Jersey oh I know I'll cross out his name with tape. Yeah, that's a good idea. Wait a minute I am almost out of tape and I don't really wanna go to the store and pick up more. I know I'll just cross out one letter with the tape. I am a genius.

*Crosses out letter "O" with the tape*
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Damon rejects waiver offer and staying on the Tigers. Feels like he can help the younger players on the team and likes being in Detroit. He didn't feel accepting the trade would have sent the right message to the younger players about staying with Tigers.

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Damon rejects waiver offer and staying on the Tigers. Feels like he can help the younger players on the team and likes being in Detroit. He didn't feel accepting the trade would have sent the right message to the younger players about staying with Tigers.

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You don't realize how happy I am to hear that. I think it would have been fine with Damon on the Red Sox. I heard he might go to the Rays. Now, that's a major concern in my book. Damon could have been the missing piece that Tampa needed to jet in front of us and never look back. *Breath of fresh air*
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Apparently Damon would have accepted a trade to the Rays or Yankees though. I think he was more worried about how he would be received back in Boston more than anything.
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